Why do you guys bother with PC gaming?

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MustangSVT

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Where are you buying these?
what SSD are you using thats under $70?
keyboard? mouse? OS? Speakers?

hmm..

but back on track, skyrim running so smooth on highest settings smoothly wee into 4 am is a good reason why I bother with pc gaming. and I don't need a Console but I NEED PC for work anyway.



GTX 460 $90
GTX 460 $100
Phenom II X4 w/ Crossfire motherboard $140
Antec 300 case $30
OCZ 1000w PSU $30
8gb of memory $40
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$430 total

Even with my SSD and the other 4gb of ram I'm all in for under $500.
 
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Lonbjerg

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I "bother" because I am not up for <SD wih no AA, crappy textures, ridiculous low draw distance, piss poor shadows ect...upscaled to HD.

Fudgly graphics is fudgly graphics.

Oh yeah...I have en I.Q. above 75...so I can power on a PC, install a game and run it.
 

pandemonium

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This thread is still active and open? :eek:

What more can be said that hasn't already? What a festerfest™.
 

jordanecmusic

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This thread is still active and open? :eek:

What more can be said that hasn't already? What a festerfest™.


Mods! Close this thread for god sakes!!! I already explained why PC Gaming is better than Console gaming. You might as well delete everyones post other than mine with the full on details...it explains everything doesnt it?
 

HeXen

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"better" is subjective. Use what you like and leave others preferences alone.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Well most PC gamers own a console plugged into the living room tv which they use when their mothers is cleaning their rooms.
 

gplracer

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Even my 14 year old said, "Dad the only reason to buy games for me Xbox 360 is to play multiplayer with my friends. The games on the pc look so much better you can not even compare them"

He has some buddies that play on a Xbox 360 so he got one to play online with them. Other than that he wants all of his games on the pc. He uses a 5850 video card.
 

pw38

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The saving grace for PC gaming is MMOs and Facebook games. If you leave those out, the margin staggering between consoles and PCs.

I don't really get that statement. That's like saying football team X wouldn't have won if football team Y hadn't thrown so many pics. Well yeah it's part of the game. The 'only if' scenarios only exist to provide justification for a weak argument. MMOs aren't a saving grace, they're part of the experience. Imagine the state of console games now had Halo been a flop for MS back in 2001. The original Xbox probably would have failed and who knows, MS might have focused their energies on PC gaming. All the games that sell like hotcakes on the Xbox platform might be propping up the PC right now. It didn't happen though and we're where we're at. Like someone said, certain genres on the PC aren't a saving grace, they're their strength. It's what makes a platform, same as rpgs for the Playstation platforms and shooters for the Xbox platforms.
 

lkb3rd

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Mouse aiming. It's way better (for me at least). Also being able to map the keyboard to your preferences is better imo. For most non-shooters, consoles are fine, and better for some games.
 
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Back in Jan 2010, I spent $100 on a P55 motherboard, $100 on 4GB of DDR 1333 RAM, $200 on a Core i5 750, $330 on a Radeon 5850 1GB. I later spent $40 on a Corsair A70 that allows me to overclock my CPU to 4GHz while keeping it cool.

Except for the $330 I spent on the GPU, I would have bought the exact same rig (even if I wasn't a gamer) for other computing needs. And here I am, 22 months later, playing Battlefield 3 nearly maxed out at 1920x1080.

I am not one to bash consoles on Internet forums (I only do it IRL to annoy my friends :p) but the time I have spent playing Civilization V, Battlefield 3 (and Bad Company 2 before it) and the Total War games are well worth the $330 I spent nearly two years ago. I am not even mentioning Crysis (arguably why I built the machine), Crysis 2, Team Fortress 2 and other time-sinks.

The PC is still the place to be for RTS and great multiplayer FPS gaming.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Ok a PC cost a bit more to assemble. But once its assembled games are cheap or sometimes free if you know what I mean unlike a console.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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you have no shame in being a freaking pirate and advocating it? people like you make me sick.

eh? Who's pirating?
Unless you call Steam pirating. I named that because its sometime is one of the reasons why people chose a pc. Never said ONE must do it or I do it. I pay for all my stuff. Dont need the crap baggage that come with pirated stuff thx you
And 2nd hand games you find all over the 2nd hand shops here going for 5usd for pc games
 

toyota

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eh? Who's pirating?
Unless you call Steam pirating. I named that because its sometime is one of the reasons why people chose a pc. Never said ONE must do it or I do it. I pay for all my stuff. Dont need the crap baggage that come with pirated stuff thx you
And 2nd hand games you find all over the 2nd hand shops here going for 5usd for pc games
well the way you said it made it look like you were advocating it. no matter what, piracy should not be listed as a reason to be a pc gamer.
 

Destiny

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People paid over 1,000 for ps3's when they were first released because no one could get them. That wasn't weird?

I remembered that XMAS... I made a killing unloading 6 PS3s... I used that money to contribute to the down payment on my BMW...heheheh :D:cool:
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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well the way you said it made it look like you were advocating it. no matter what, piracy should not be listed as a reason to be a pc gamer.

Sorry if that came out wrong but unfortunately in some countries it do. A budget gaming PC is the avg blokes pay check here. Plus the prices for PC parts aint cheap like it in the US so a lot of people turn to illegal means. Before the budget pc people here went for consoles because for 15 usd they got chipped and bought the games for cheap then as PS games were extremely expensive here. Some people liv on 200usd paychecks.
 

BenSkywalker

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MMOs aren't a saving grace, they're part of the experience.

I'm a rather hardcore MMO player actually- my point is that the people on these forums overall detest MMOs, mods will lock threads about them actually based on recent actions on this sub forum, and casual games. When you talk about the traditional 'core' games that the people on these forums seem to like, the consoles utterly obliterate the PC in the one metric that actually matters to the industry- sales. In most cases the consoles outsell the PC by a close to 5:1-10:1 ratio. If more people *bought* PC games, the market would look a lot better then it does.

Imagine the state of console games now had Halo been a flop for MS back in 2001.

Mario Kart for the GCN outsold Halo by a decent amount, not getting your point. Halo on the consoles is at best at a middling title in terms of popularity. Most platform bigots have no clue about what the other platforms do, and Halo isn't a huge factor in the console space at all, even if you go to the PS3 vs 360 threads, Halo is at best a marginal title.

All the games that sell like hotcakes on the Xbox platform might be propping up the PC right now.

Like Call of Duty? 10:1 in sales favoring the consoles. Elder Scrolls? 7:1 favoring consoles. The reason for the huge shift in the industry is very simple- PC gamers don't buy many games as a whole. If PC gamers want to see more games, buy more games.

Like someone said, certain genres on the PC aren't a saving grace, they're their strength. It's what makes a platform, same as rpgs for the Playstation platforms and shooters for the Xbox platforms.

Out of the top ten selling games on the PS3 this generation, none of them are RPGs. Honestly to me that is disappointing, but it is reality. Platform bigots are normally quite ignorant of the other markets. Notice those that game on all the platforms aren't knocking the PC so much as explaining where the weaknesses are- and all of the platforms have some rather large weaknesses.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Did the consoles outsell the pc due cause its better? No
I mean Sony and Microsoft throw money around to make it a console only title which means you want it you got to buy their consoles. With the pc there's no one to throw that money around.
But hopefully Microsoft trying to make the dx on the consoles exact as on the pc that it will make the games better to port
 

BenSkywalker

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Did the consoles outsell the pc due cause its better? No

It doesn't matter if it outsold it because the hot dog vendor had ice cream for lunch. In the real world, sales matter. The consoles sell significantly more core games then PCs, by a rather huge margin. If PC gamers really want to see the state of PC gaming improved, the best way to do that is to buy more games.

I mean Sony and Microsoft throw money around to make it a console only title which means you want it you got to buy their consoles.

As a singular example, GT5 had a development budget around $100 Million dollars. If it was a PC exclusive it would have lost tons of money. It was a PS3 exclusive and generated close to half a billion dollars in profit. The only PC games that can cover that kind of budget are MMOs, several different genres on the console side can. That is why PC gaming is an afterthought, because when viewed as an overall market for core games, PC gamers are very, very poor(as in, a way to generate revenue).

But hopefully Microsoft trying to make the dx on the consoles exact as on the pc that it will make the games better to port

MS finished in second place with the original XBox, it is looking like they are going to be dead last this generation. Don't plan on them having a huge impact on the console market as a whole.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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It doesn't matter if it outsold it because the hot dog vendor had ice cream for lunch. In the real world, sales matter. The consoles sell significantly more core games then PCs, by a rather huge margin. If PC gamers really want to see the state of PC gaming improved, the best way to do that is to buy more games.



As a singular example, GT5 had a development budget around $100 Million dollars. If it was a PC exclusive it would have lost tons of money. It was a PS3 exclusive and generated close to half a billion dollars in profit. The only PC games that can cover that kind of budget are MMOs, several different genres on the console side can. That is why PC gaming is an afterthought, because when viewed as an overall market for core games, PC gamers are very, very poor(as in, a way to generate revenue).



MS finished in second place with the original XBox, it is looking like they are going to be dead last this generation. Don't plan on them having a huge impact on the console market as a whole.

A total of around 76 million 'next-gen' consoles currently in use globally.
Just over 1 billion PCs currently in use globally.
Gpu sales
19.01 million for Q1’11.
16 million AIBs shipped in Q2 2011

Well the lets talk about sales shall we.
Adding all three levels of gaming motivated PC, AIB purchases, and accessories, the worldwide total addressable market comes out to about $20 billion dollars growing to almost $35 billion by 2012.
http://jonpeddie.com/download/PC_ga...al-PC-Gaming-Hardware-Market-TOC-Exec-sum.pdf
For 2011 it was just over 25 Billion!!!
Theres about 200 million entry level gaming rigs in the world. So you basing your facts on Console games that sells better than PC games. But I mean off course the sales will look down. One region they charge like 40usd more than in another region.

Console games may be cheaper to develop than PC games, but they're priced higher then PC games and they sell in far higher numbers. But the console itself doesn't even touch the avg gaming PC hardware numbers.
 

pw38

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I'm a rather hardcore MMO player actually- my point is that the people on these forums overall detest MMOs, mods will lock threads about them actually based on recent actions on this sub forum, and casual games. When you talk about the traditional 'core' games that the people on these forums seem to like, the consoles utterly obliterate the PC in the one metric that actually matters to the industry- sales. In most cases the consoles outsell the PC by a close to 5:1-10:1 ratio. If more people *bought* PC games, the market would look a lot better then it does.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that you can't argue that "without this" or "without that". It's part of the experience.

Mario Kart for the GCN outsold Halo by a decent amount, not getting your point. Halo on the consoles is at best at a middling title in terms of popularity. Most platform bigots have no clue about what the other platforms do, and Halo isn't a huge factor in the console space at all, even if you go to the PS3 vs 360 threads, Halo is at best a marginal title.

Middling? Are you kidding me? Halo has tremendous popularity. MS knows this and pushes it hard. Nintendo outselling anyone with a Mario game is a bad example because they have that built-in fanatical market that will purchase their games no matter what. As for Halo being a marginal title that's bullshit. Over the past 10 years every console shooter (up until the MW series started to gain traction) every shooter released was touted as a 'Halo Killer'. No offense but that's a rather uninformed opinion you have about the Halo series as a whole.

Like Call of Duty? 10:1 in sales favoring the consoles. Elder Scrolls? 7:1 favoring consoles. The reason for the huge shift in the industry is very simple- PC gamers don't buy many games as a whole. If PC gamers want to see more games, buy more games.

Again, had Halo not sold well and MS abandoned the Xbox and stuck with PC gaming where do you think CoD and others would sell? Not on the Playstation series. It only took hold there because of how well shooters established themselves on the Xbox platform.

Out of the top ten selling games on the PS3 this generation, none of them are RPGs. Honestly to me that is disappointing, but it is reality. Platform bigots are normally quite ignorant of the other markets. Notice those that game on all the platforms aren't knocking the PC so much as explaining where the weaknesses are- and all of the platforms have some rather large weaknesses.

Overall though RPGs are an important category for Sony regardless of how the US market has progressed. Their platforms are known for great RPGs and they've been an important factor otherwise MS wouldn't have thrown so much money at Square for FF and tried their own.

My overall point is that you can't marginalize a PC game staple with a "what if" argument because it's what it is. Take Mario away from Nintendo and see where they stand. If there was ever a saving grace series for a platform it's Mario. Zelda sells well too but Mario made Nintendo.
 

taltamir

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well the way you said it made it look like you were advocating it. no matter what, piracy should not be listed as a reason to be a pc gamer.

He clearly said "sometimes free"... for pirates its "always free, because its stolen". Steam isn't the only D2D that gives free games. Granted they are typically older games you probably already played.

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piracy should not be listed as a reason to be a pc gamer.
Tell that to industry execs who keep on insisting it is... despite the fact that console piracy is rampant. MS caught and banned millions of consoles for piracy. They only sold 14 million... and then there are those who aren't actually caught (aka, don't go to play a pirated game online 1 day before its release)
 

HeXen

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why do you guys care so much about who pirates, who games on a PC and who games on a console, much less their reasons for doing such?
Is a debate suppose to change anything? like it has before right. The discussion is like a broken record, you could search for this topic, read every one and its exactly the same.

There should be a sticky of one of these threads. just pick one of these debates and sticky it for nerds sake. Call it "the official, my gaming preference is better than thou's and your stupid if you don't game my way" and be done with it.
 

BenSkywalker

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Well the lets talk about sales shall we.

And not a single PC game is going to come close to selling 5 million units this *year*. The latest CoD did more then that in a *day* on the consoles. PCs could have an installed base in the hundreds of trillions, doesn't change the fact that they don't buy many games. If you break it down using numbers you quote, console gamers buy more games then PC gamers by a more then 10:1 ration. If you are a game developer, what do you care about? The platform G has a 100 trillion installed base while platform H only has 1 million, or that you sold 1 million games on platform H and 15,000 on platform G?

Still doesn't take away from the fact that you can't argue that "without this" or "without that". It's part of the experience.

From a business perspective, it is keeping the platform viable. That isn't a knock, it's actually a saving grace.

Middling? Are you kidding me? Halo has tremendous popularity. MS knows this and pushes it hard.

You sound like someone who gets all of their gaming news from a site that has a friend that once walked into a store that used to sell consoles ;) Halo is so huge for Microsoft now they dumped Bungie. The series is still relatively popular(staggering enormous hit by PC standards), but it is so key MS thought it was in their best interest to get rid of the studio that created it.

As for Halo being a marginal title that's bullshit.

Kinect Adventures has outsold Halo Reach, sure you want to continue this argument?

Over the past 10 years every console shooter (up until the MW series started to gain traction) every shooter released was touted as a 'Halo Killer'.

Again, where do you get your information from? This generation if you ignore Call of Duty altogether the go to shooter franchise on the 360 has been Gears of War in terms of critical acclaim. Halo hasn't been considered the best in genre since the second game came out even on the consoles.

Again, had Halo not sold well and MS abandoned the Xbox and stuck with PC gaming where do you think CoD and others would sell? Not on the Playstation series. It only took hold there because of how well shooters established themselves on the Xbox platform.

Goldeneye 007 sold over ten million copies on the N64 years before Halo hit the XBox. Halo didn't make shooters a huge hit on consoles, that had already been done years before by a game that outsold every single PC game ever made at the time it was released.

Overall though RPGs are an important category for Sony regardless of how the US market has progressed.

Please, stop getting console news from PC gaming sources, at best they are morons on the subject. Nintendo landed Dragon Quest on the Wii and MS has more JRPGs on their system then Sony does this generation. Wherever you get your news from, they have some notions that would have been relatively decent ten years ago, but anyone who follows the market today would know aren't close to accurate. Global sales for Final Fantasy XIII, top selling PS3 RPG this generation, failed to hit 5 million units. By way of comparison, Black Ops is a hair off from 11 million(just on the PS3).

why do you guys care so much about who pirates

I care a great deal about who pirates. Why? Because they are leeches. They are precisely like the people who make a life goal to stay on welfare. People work hard and pay their money to keep developers afloat so lazy scum pirates can leech off the money *I* pay.

Call it "the official, my gaming preference is better than thou's and your stupid if you don't game my way" and be done with it.

Play them all and you don't have to worry about it :)
 

taltamir

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And not a single PC game is going to come close to selling 5 million units this *year*.
WoW sold more then 10 million units.
SC2 sold more than 4.5 million units as of last count (probably bypassed 5 million by now).
Yes, both weren't this year... but a year where the absolute top seller console game beats the absolute top seller individual PC game in total amount sold...
Also, as usual you combine xbox360, PS3, and wii sales as if they were one single entity and not competitors.

console gamers buy more games then PC gamers by a more then 10:1 ration
Except that is utter nonsense. PS3, Xbox360, and Wii sales all put together are about 24 billion vs the 17 billion that is PC sales. But those are 3 platforms vs 1. Individually the PC annihilates each one of them...

And then you go into the indie space. Games like binding of Isaac, Magicka, meatboy, and Cthulu saves the world... how do they fare?
Well, see for yourself
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/20/cthulhu-saves-the-world-pc-sales-smash-xbox-live/