Why do you guys bother with PC gaming?

[cmdrdredd]

you guys do know that halo 1 and 2 are available on PC right?
MS keeps the latest title an xbox exlusive for a little while to drum up xbox business because given the CHOICE people will prefer to buy it on a PC. Then they later release it on Windows.

Also I never got the craze about Halo

Not really true. Ever hear of Xbox Live. Nothing close exists on PC

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

ignorant

"Man," I cried, "how ignorant art thou in thy pride of wisdom!"

 

[pw38]

you guys do know that halo 1 and 2 are available on PC right?
MS keeps the latest title an xbox exlusive for a little while to drum up xbox business because given the CHOICE people will prefer to buy it on a PC. Then they later release it on Windows.

Also I never got the craze about Halo

Halo 1 and 2 were released within a 3 year window on the PC after their respective Xbox launch. It's been over 4 years now and now Halo 3. No mention of it. I think their strategy was different back in those days. Halo was an experiment and I think they used it on the PC to get people thinking about the Xbox. Halo 2 was to push Vista. There's nothing coming down the pipe outside of Halo 4 that coincides with a reason to get people onto their platform and I doubt Windows 8 and Halo 4 are going to ever happen. Instead, they'd like to do what they're about to make me do; buy another 360 for the Halo games I want. I want Halo 3, Halo: ODST, and Halo Reach. I want Crackdown 1&2. I want Alan Wake. I'd like to play Forza 4. These just aren't coming to the PC and they anticipate what I'm about to do. Once I'm on board again with a 360 I'll be more likely to get into XBLA again as I still have quite a bit invested from before I sold my 360 and went PC gaming only. They're following the Sony mentality. You want their games you buy their system. The PC isn't a choice anymore when it comes to MS published games. The old PS fanboy argument of 'everything on 360 is on PC so I'll stick with the PS3' doesn't fly anymore and frankly I can't believe it took MS this long to figure it out.

 

[taltamir]

The old PS fanboy argument of 'everything on 360 is on PC so I'll stick with the PS3' doesn't fly anymore and frankly I can't believe it took MS this long to figure it out.

Yes, MS figured out that if given a choice a non insignificant portion of their customers will take a PC over a console and thus they must spend money to create exclusive games to their particular platform.

Exclusives exist for every platform.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Except the Xbox360 exclusives are not very compelling to me. I played Gears of War...boring if you ask me. Racing games don't do it so Forza can take a hike. Halo is alright but it's not amazing like it once was. Out of all the Xbox 360 titles there is nothing that makes me get excited. Alan Wake would have been good on PC, on the Xbox 360 with 7 year old hardware...it falls on its face. Also, while I like the Xbox Live system and what it offers, I don't find myself interested in it. The experience is severely crippled when you don't have anyone you know on there. There's too many kids who do nothing but run their mouth and honestly I can't stand it at all. Mute is ok I guess but it sort of ruins the whole experience when you have to mute so many people. I think Xbox live is what keeps the system going to be honest. Without it there really would not be a good reason to develop games for the 360 unless you were getting paid by MS.

That's just me and my opinion though. I tend to enjoy the PS3 exclusives quite a bit more, having just finished Uncharted 3 this morning. I also find myself attracted to a few choice Wii titles. Zelda is coming in a few weeks, Donkey Kong Country Returns was fantastic and difficult, super mario galaxy is just great. So I guess while every platform has its exclusives I find myself not wanting to play most of them on the 360.

 

[HeXen]

Halo 1 and 2 were released within a 3 year window on the PC after their respective Xbox launch. It's been over 4 years now and now Halo 3. No mention of it. I think their strategy was different back in those days. Halo was an experiment and I think they used it on the PC to get people thinking about the Xbox. Halo 2 was to push Vista. There's nothing coming down the pipe outside of Halo 4 that coincides with a reason to get people onto their platform and I doubt Windows 8 and Halo 4 are going to ever happen. Instead, they'd like to do what they're about to make me do; buy another 360 for the Halo games I want. I want Halo 3, Halo: ODST, and Halo Reach. I want Crackdown 1&2. I want Alan Wake. I'd like to play Forza 4. These just aren't coming to the PC and they anticipate what I'm about to do. Once I'm on board again with a 360 I'll be more likely to get into XBLA again as I still have quite a bit invested from before I sold my 360 and went PC gaming only. They're following the Sony mentality. You want their games you buy their system. The PC isn't a choice anymore when it comes to MS published games. The old PS fanboy argument of 'everything on 360 is on PC so I'll stick with the PS3' doesn't fly anymore and frankly I can't believe it took MS this long to figure it out.

In the old days, it was common to see variations of the same game for each platform. Sometimes the levels would differ vastly, It would be nice to see say, a different version of halo 4 of sorts for PC, but of course that will never happen. However that could get some people to buy for both platforms just for those differences.

 

[IGhzI]

First of all the gameplay, second the graphics, third the community, four some games just can't be played on console. I was a console gamer since the beginning 1980's. When my parents bought a decent computer I asked for rainbow six rouge spear as soon as I installed it I never Left the chair lol. But after the pc shit the bed I lost touch with it since I never had enough money to buy a good rig. So I went back to console that is till my 360 shit the bed for the third time. But i needed my fix started looking for something my dell 2400 could run. Counter strike was the answer once again I began playing pc harder then ever lmao. When I got my 360 back from Microsoft it just stayed in the box there was just no comparison Even with a game as old as counter strike. Consoles in my eye are just an old school game gear regardless what the system is running inside. PC will always be the best choice for gaming.

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[jordanecmusic]

you guys do know that halo 1 and 2 are available on PC right?
MS keeps the latest title an xbox exlusive for a little while to drum up xbox business because given the CHOICE people will prefer to buy it on a PC. Then they later release it on Windows.

Also I never got the craze about Halo

Crysis 1 and 2> Halo 1 and 2.


360 can keep their Halo 3. Anyways, Halo 2 at high on PC looks much better than halo 3 on 360. Plus Halo 3 was garbage.

 

[jordanecmusic]

FPS games are better with mouse/kb.

Until you realize that it's all a waste of time anyways. And HALO is arguably better than any shooter on the PC in terms of atmosphere.

The funny thing is that a lot of the *benchmark* games like Metro2033 and Crysis actually don't review that well as actual games. They push the technical limits, but in terms of gameplay kind of fail. Which is why PC gaming is really about on-par with pimping out the rims of your Honda.

What is this? I dont even...

Crysis was **** straight beautiful and awesome at the same time. It was like a unicorn gallantly trotting across the plains of Hell FIRE WITH A MAD MAN ON THE BACK CHAINSAWING EVERY PARTICLE OF EVERY DEMON OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!!

Nomad (Crysis) stomps Master Cheif's (Halo) face into the ground and rapes him with a giant black dildo. These benchmark games are contributing to the future of gaming. This Call of Duty and Halo crap are just sitting there getting money doing nothing for the gaming community but rehashing the same garbage that has been already done! Crysis 1 and 2 were MASTERPIECES of flawless graphic rendering and epic story telling. Halo is just...boring and jaggarrific. Halo 3 wasn't even 720p for god sakes!


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[HeXen]

i dunno. i had a lot of fun playing Halo series over Crysis.
Crysis looks great, has some notable gameplay features, but the pure fun i had was from Halo series. Their different in many ways really though, but i enjoyed playing on different planets n such. the old destroyed NYC theme is kinda boring.

 

[SickBeast]

it's pretty insane what PC gamers spend just on video cards. a video card can cost the same or more than an entire PS3/360. all these $1,000+ rigs, all the questions and research on cooling, power consumption, SSD, and so on, when you can just buy a PS3 for $250 and turn it on and be done with it.

not to mention the dearth of games for PCs in the last decade. when i did most of my gaming on a PC back in the 80s/90s, there were new titles left and right.

My computer, all in, cost under $500, including CPU, memory, motherboard, graphics cards, case, and PSU. For that amount, my system will outperform a GTX 580 on a good day. Not only that, but I can get *real* work done on my computer as well. It's also quieter than a console, and I can control my games properly with a keyboard and mouse.

That said, a new console would be tempting.

I'm just not interested in 720p gaming any more. It's quite passé and it has been for quite some time now. I wish they would do away with 720p terrestrial television as well and move right to 1080p like they did in Japan.

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[toyota]

please show the full list of components for a gtx460 sli build that only cost under 500 bucks.

gpu(s)
motherboard
cpu
ram
psu
hard drive
dvd
case

even without a keyboard, mouse and operating system it would be nearly impossible to buy all those other parts new for under 500 bucks.

 

[SickBeast]

GTX 460 $90
GTX 460 $100
Phenom II X4 w/ Crossfire motherboard $140
Antec 300 case $30
OCZ 1000w PSU $30
8gb of memory $40
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$430 total

Even with my SSD and the other 4gb of ram I'm all in for under $500.

 

[toyota]

GTX 460 $90
GTX 460 $100
Phenom II X4 w/ Crossfire motherboard $140
Antec 300 case $30
OCZ 1000w PSU $30
8gb of memory $40
----------------------------------
$430 total

Even with my SSD and the other 4gb of ram I'm all in for under $500.

I thought you built this pc a while back. even 5 months ago ram was not that cheap. and those other prices are crazy low too and certainly not all realistic if someone needed to do a build all at one time.

 

[SickBeast]

I thought you built this pc a while back. even 5 months ago ram was not that cheap. and those other prices are crazy low too and certainly not all realistic if someone needed to do a build all at one time.

Right now people could spend the same amount and get something significantly better than what I have.

 

[MrRamon]

Not really true. Ever hear of Xbox Live. Nothing close exists on PC

Not sure why companies did away with chat rooms etc... Heat.net was a decade ahead of it's time. Could use a headset, had lobbies, could play any game you owned over their service. You could also wager "degrees". I could wager say 10000 degrees which would be worth $100 US or so that I could beat you in said game. The service would auto-detect the winner and put money in your account. Gaming these days should be like that. /edit. also 10six was the best game ever made. Sorry you couldn't play it on live

 

[toyota]

Right now people could spend the same amount and get something significantly better than what I have.

I doubt that. its nearly impossible to get prices like that all at one time. most of the stuff you listed are examples of rare crazy deals. I keep up with hardware prices fairly well and know that. my system was easily close to 900 bucks not including the OS, keyboard, mouse and sound card. and that was including rebates and combo deals.

 

[SickBeast]

I doubt that. its nearly impossible to get prices like that all at one time. most of the stuff you listed are examples of rare crazy deals. I keep up with hardware prices fairly well and know that. my system was easily close to 900 bucks not including the OS, keyboard, mouse and sound card.

Just as I would never drive a Toyota, I would never purchase the type of hardware that you did.

Well, I shouldn't say *never*. If I wanted something easy that I knew would give me decent performance, I might go down the route you chose.

I'm all about overclocking and unlocking hidden performance. I certainly wouldn't pay Intel $200 for the privilege.

 

[toyota]

Just as I would never drive a Toyota, I would never purchase the type of hardware that you did.

Well, I shouldn't say *never*. If I wanted something easy that I knew would give me decent performance, I might go down the route you chose.

I'm all about overclocking and unlocking hidden performance. I certainly wouldn't pay Intel $200 for the privilege.

if you looked at my computer as a whole then why on earth would I want an inferior cpu in every way just to save 100-125 bucks? with the cpu I have , I can fully push any gpu setup now and for the next 2-3 years. you can oc that X4 to 4.0 and still not match the overall performance of a 2500k. plus that X4 overclocked to 4.0 will use significantly more power than a 2500k.

anybody that thinks that a 2500k is not a decent deal does not have their head screwed on right. for just over 200 bucks it basically delivers the fastest gaming experience possible while just sipping power. please show me a time when AMD gave you that "privilege".

 

[SickBeast]

At idle my Phenom II consumes about the same amount of power as your Sandy Bridge, and as a gaming CPU I am not bottlenecked whatsoever by it.

All in it sounds like you paid at least $350 for your CPU and motherboard. I paid practically the same for my entire system.

That $200 price differential goes a long way and enables people to purchase SSDs and more memory which are going to make much larger performance improvements compared to an extra gigahert.

Like I said, I'm not going to pay intel $200+ so that I can overclock. If I'm stuck with AMD and somewhat lower performance because of that, so be it.

I almost went with an i3 so I could push it to 4.4ghz but I was convinced to go with the Phenom II by the CPU forum.

Retrospectively, the 2500K was a good purchase when it came out provided that you actually need that much computing power.

 

[HeXen]

GTX 460 $90
GTX 460 $100
Phenom II X4 w/ Crossfire motherboard $140
Antec 300 case $30
OCZ 1000w PSU $30
8gb of memory $40
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$430 total

Even with my SSD and the other 4gb of ram I'm all in for under $500.

wow, what a POS rig. lmao.
that PSU last longer than 5 months? lol. but whatever. if i'm gonna invest in a gaming rig. i buy quality parts and go high end. i want it to last a few years. not replace something in a year or struggle with certain games next year. that crap is a waste.
now that i think about it. i spent more on my case than most of that setup. But of course its dampened, tough and will virtually last me many, many ...many builds. maybe its just me, but i always hated cheap cases.

 

[SickBeast]

My "POS" rig runs modern games pegged at 60FPS and boots Windows in under 10 seconds.

IMO you're foolish investing big money into something that depreciates in value as fast as a PC.

My PSU is made by PC Power & Cooling which has a good reputation and it runs off a single rail. I haven't had any issues with it thus far.

Cheap doesn't mean bad, either. My case is all aluminum and keeps my PC cool and quiet.

Now with the $1000 I saved compared to what you likely spent, I have spare cash to invest in components that will actually make a difference in my future computing experience.

 

[cmdrdredd]

wow, what a POS rig. lmao.
that PSU last longer than 5 months? lol. but whatever. if i'm gonna invest in a gaming rig. i buy quality parts and go high end. i want it to last a few years. not replace something in a year or struggle with certain games next year. that crap is a waste.
now that i think about it. i spent more on my case than most of that setup. But of course its dampened, tough and will virtually last me many, many ...many builds. maybe its just me, but i always hated cheap cases.

You sound like someone who has Mom and Dad buy their stuff.

There is something to be said about bang for the buck and saving a few dollars here or there.

Buying high end is never a good buy. I bet Intel loves when you spend $1000 on an Extreme processor don't they?

 

[Carfax83]

Buying high end is never a good buy

Not really. It depends on what kind of computing experience you want. For example, if you want to game at 2560x1600 and above, then you're going to need a high end rig.

And gaming at 2560x1600 and above is not really comparable to gaming at 1080p and below believe me.

 

[SickBeast]

Not really. It depends on what kind of computing experience you want. For example, if you want to game at 2560x1600 and above, then you're going to need a high end rig.

And gaming at 2560x1600 and above is not really comparable to gaming at 1080p and below believe me.

You're ahead of the curve right now. I've been there and it's expensive. I still regret buying my 8800GTS just so that I could game at my panel's native resolution of 1920x1200, which is pretty much standard today.

I don't doubt that it's a glorious experience, though. I think I would want a pair of GTX 580s to push a display like that properly. $1000 worth of GPUs is a lot to pay for more pixels.