Why do we, as citizens, really need guns?

[invidia]

I own a gun because the King of England might walk into my house someday and start pushing me around.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: invidia
I own a gun because the King of England might walk into my house someday and start pushing me around.

I saw him wandering around my neighborhood the other day. I was wondering what he was doing here...

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: invidia
I own a gun because the King of England might walk into my house someday and start pushing me around.

I saw him wandering around my neighborhood the other day. I was wondering what he was doing here...

You saw RichUK ?

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: invidia
I own a gun because the King of England might walk into my house someday and start pushing me around.

I saw him wandering around my neighborhood the other day. I was wondering what he was doing here...

You saw RichUK ?

WMK!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: invidia
I own a gun because the King of England might walk into my house someday and start pushing me around.

I saw him wandering around my neighborhood the other day. I was wondering what he was doing here...

You saw RichUK ?

WMK!

Calm it, son!

 

[TruePaige]

Ban that troll.

 

[manowar821]

Defense against people trying to hurt your loved ones or steal from your home, and to take the fucking government down if they ever tried some fascist shit. But the latter part of that is moot now, since most citizens are now pansies.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: NeoV
We have two problems with guns in America - virtually no restrictions on how many guns people can buy - yes, there are collectors, but there are also people who legally buy guns and then re-sell them to people who can't - and we pretty much just look the other way at such buyers. This is the major cause of the supply of guns available to people who shouldn't have guns.

Uh, no. The BATFE spends huge amounts of money and man-hours every year tracking down straw buyers like this. It's a one-way ticket to a Federal PMITA prison to get caught doing something like that and there absolutely are agents looking for it all the time.

Originally posted by: NeoV
The other problem with guns in America is the appalling lack of concern about the amount and rates of gun violence here, and the shocking lack of any attempts at all to change things. A guy shoots up a school in Germany, they call special sessions of their governing body to see what went wrong and what they can do about it. A guy shoots up a factory here, another guy the same weekend goes on a shooting rampage through small towns in Alabama, and it's page 3 news in the newspaper - and the next week another family is killed, and the next week a nursing home is shot to hell, and the next week.....you get the idea. We've come to accept this violence as part of what we are - and that is the saddest part of all.

Because those special sessions are nothing more than political grandstanding. Do we need a special session every time someone bludgeons a person to death with a bat? How about every time someone runs another person over with a car?

ZV

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: NeoV
We've come to accept this violence as part of what we are - and that is the saddest part of all.

It IS part of what we are, throughout all of recorded history (and surely beyond that).

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: NeoV
We've come to accept this violence as part of what we are - and that is the saddest part of all.

It IS part of what we are, throughout all of recorded history (and surely beyond that).

It doesn't have to be that way.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: NeoV
We've come to accept this violence as part of what we are - and that is the saddest part of all.

It IS part of what we are, throughout all of recorded history (and surely beyond that).

It doesn't have to be that way.

No it most certainly doesn't, but it's not exactly something any single person, nor group of people can solve. It's something we have to grow out of, slowly, most likely.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: NeoV
We've come to accept this violence as part of what we are - and that is the saddest part of all.

It IS part of what we are, throughout all of recorded history (and surely beyond that).

It doesn't have to be that way.

You're saying it's possible to make humanity non-violent?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: NeoV
We've come to accept this violence as part of what we are - and that is the saddest part of all.

It IS part of what we are, throughout all of recorded history (and surely beyond that).

It doesn't have to be that way.

You're saying it's possible to make humanity non-violent?

No.

I'm saying it's possible for humanity to become non-violent

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
No.

I'm saying it's possible for humanity to become non-violent

Maybe. I don't see it happening any time in the foreseeable future.

 

[her209]

Do ex-cons have a right to defend themselves?

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DAGTA
No.

I'm saying it's possible for humanity to become non-violent

Maybe. I don't see it happening any time in the foreseeable future.

It's really not possible.

The only way to remove violence from the world is to remove competition.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: her209
Do ex-cons have a right to defend themselves?

Sure, just not with a gun.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: her209
Do ex-cons have a right to defend themselves?

Sure, just not with a gun.

I don't know if I really agree with that. If we don't trust someone to defend themselves or be armed around us, why are they in the "general population," anyway?

Perhaps revoking of the right to bear arms should be someone also decided at their trial/conviction as one of their punishments.

 

[0roo0roo]

it gives us insurance if sh*t really goes bad.
and the government/police are NOT likely to be there in your time of need. unless you have a personal body guard it doesn't work that way, if you are lucky they'll catch the criminal that attacked you and give you justice after you are gone

and its a right.
do you"need" free speech? do you "need" privacy?

anyways today the uk is crippled with knife crime fear now that they've basically banned guns and filled their streets with cctv cameras and given up their rights in an endless cycle of fear of crime/give up rights/give more power to the state/police->fails to stop crime/ give up more rights....
they've disarmed the law abiding. criminals don't give a second thought about breaking into peoples homes anymore. in fact you aren't allowed to defend your home, you get in trouble if you do, leading to a lowering of citizen responsibility, now when crime goes on in the streets people look the other way instead of helping.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

 

[BoberFett]

Why does the OP need to keep the tools of a rapist in his pants? Castration should be required for those advocating firearms bans.

 

[SparkyJJO]

2nd Amendment. It is our Constitutional right.

/thread

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: her209
Do ex-cons have a right to defend themselves?

Sure, just not with a gun.

I don't know if I really agree with that. If we don't trust someone to defend themselves or be armed around us, why are they in the "general population," anyway?

Perhaps revoking of the right to bear arms should be someone also decided at their trial/conviction as one of their punishments.

Um, anyone convicted of a violent crime is prohibited from owning firearms in this country. Though it doesn't stop them obviously...nor is it punished when they commit more crimes.

We have some real problems with criminals getting access to guns in this country, not the least of which is the lack of responsibility of law-abiding gun owners for locking up their own guns.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: her209
Do ex-cons have a right to defend themselves?

Sure, just not with a gun.

I don't know if I really agree with that. If we don't trust someone to defend themselves or be armed around us, why are they in the "general population," anyway?

Perhaps revoking of the right to bear arms should be someone also decided at their trial/conviction as one of their punishments.

Um, anyone convicted of a violent crime is prohibited from owning firearms in this country. Though it doesn't stop them obviously...nor is it punished when they commit more crimes.

We have some real problems with criminals getting access to guns in this country, not the least of which is the lack of responsibility of law-abiding gun owners for locking up their own guns.

I know they aren't allowed from owning or possessing firearms. I'm saying that its a little weird to show how we don't trust them to defend themselves and yet let them out of jail/prison/mental institution into the public.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
2nd Amendment. It is our Constitutional right.

/thread

No it is not. It is a constitutionally protected right. The Constitution doesn't give us these rights, it is there to make sure they are protected.

 

[TwiceOver]

OP... Do you even know how long a murderous rampage would take without guns? Talk about an all day event!