Why do some atheists love circlejerks on a tech forum?

[randomrogue]

Thats good because science has nothing to do with those either. Athiests are the ones who worship facts and science, I'm actually not the one bringing it up over and over. Just addressing points commonly made.

I've been reading your posts and they're filled with nothing but complete garbage. You can't just make up a whole bunch of shit and fool anyone with half a brain.

I'm not an Atheist but I've met a lot of them. None of them worship facts and science. The only worship I've ever seen is towards religion. I don't even think you know what the word worship means. It specifically addresses devotion towards a deity which is the exact opposite of what an atheist does.

 

[Juddog]

Thats good because science has nothing to do with those either. Athiests are the ones who worship facts and science, I'm actually not the one bringing it up over and over. Just addressing points commonly made.

You keep saying "worship" when it really just doesn't apply here. Either that word doesn't mean what you think it means, or you just don't understand the most basic tenets of atheism, which is simply a "lack of belief".

Lacking belief in something doesn't mean you worship the opposite of it. If I don't believe in magical unicorns, it doesn't mean that I worship unicorn hunters, it just means that I don't bother thinking about magical unicorns because it's irrelevant and a waste of time.

 

[OverVolt]

Jesus Hume Christ that's ridiculous. Desperate argument is desperate.

I dunno people just don't understand.

1. People will always be drinking some kind of kool-aid. If Atheism becomes a new movement it will turn into "us vs them" like all things human.

2. All social constructs have their basis in belief. Power only exists because people believe in something (be it Atheism, money is the most important thing in life, government is for the greater good, religion makes us moral, whatever). If people truly had a lack of beliefs like atheists try to proclaim, there wouldn't be social constructs like money, government, etc. But OBVIOUSLY they exist.

If you can't tell from this thread, if there were say a nation of Atheists next to a nation of Catholics they'd be at each others throats on the verge of war. Because thats just how people work. They're hypocritical of the thing they're criticizing. Atheists aren't actually criticizing religion they are criticizing people. (They are also a human)

 

[JM Aggie08]

I guess I just don't care enough about other people to get worked up in these 'debates.'

Honestly, if it does not involve me or the ones that I love/care about, then it really does not matter. There are more pressing issues for me to focus on than some random asshole's opinion.

 

[OverVolt]

lol wtf.

You were an atheist and then decided to not be?

I hear too often of people become atheists/agnostics for the WRONG reasons (Mainly, not through reason!). It's annoying as fuck to hear of agnostics/atheists who say, "What is scientific skepticism? What is critical thinking? DERPADERP!"

Having beliefs doesn't mean you lack logic. Thats a fallacy bro.

 

[randomrogue]

I dunno people just don't understand.

1. People will always be drinking some kind of kool-aid. If Atheism becomes a new movement it will turn into "us vs them" like all things human.

2. All social constructs have their basis in belief. Power only exists because people believe in something (be it Atheism, money is the most important thing in life, government is for the greater good, religion makes us moral, whatever). If people truly had a lack of beliefs like atheists try to proclaim, there wouldn't be social constructs like money, government, etc. But OBVIOUSLY they exist.

If you can't tell from this thread, if there were say a nation of Atheists next to a nation of Catholics they'd be at each others throats on the verge of war. Because thats just how people work. They're hypocritical of the thing they're criticizing. Atheists aren't actually criticizing religion they are criticizing people. (They are also a human)

WTF?! Atheists simply don't believe in God. Why are you trying to make this so complicated!?

 

[randomrogue]

Having beliefs doesn't mean you lack logic. Thats a fallacy bro.

Which fallacy would that be?

If you believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, angels, and that there is a little village of smurfs in your backyard I think it would be fair to say that you lack logic. You can call it common sense if you want.

 

[Juddog]

I dunno people just don't understand.

1. People will always be drinking some kind of kool-aid. If Atheism becomes a new movement it will turn into "us vs them" like all things human.

2. All social constructs have their basis in belief. Power only exists because people believe in something (be it Atheism, money is the most important thing in life, government is for the greater good, religion makes us moral, whatever). If people truly had a lack of beliefs like atheists try to proclaim, there wouldn't be social constructs like money, government, etc. But OBVIOUSLY they exist.

If you can't tell from this thread, if there were say a nation of Atheists next to a nation of Catholics they'd be at each others throats on the verge of war. Because thats just how people work. They're hypocritical of the thing they're criticizing. Atheists aren't actually criticizing religion they are criticizing people. (They are also a human)

You still don't understand the most fundamental concepts here. Atheism is based off of the absence of belief. It has nothing to do with worship, it isn't belief in the opposite, it's the lack of belief. You keep trying to put atheists in a spot so that you can try to understand them, but the spot you think they are in simply doesn't reflect the reality of it.

 

[TridenT]

Having beliefs doesn't mean you lack logic. Thats a fallacy bro.

It means you lack the ability to apply logic to your beliefs in a reasonable manner.

Not a fallacy.

 

[Fritzo]

The same reason a lot of people of any persuasion do.

There are tons of angry, frustrated, validation seeking people out there and the internet gives them a largely consequence-free place to vent that anger. As for atheists specifically, there are plenty of intelligent, calm, non-angry atheists, but unfortunately atheism is also a common path for angsty teenagers in the midst of rebellion against their likely religiously conservative parents, or other people who want to rebel for the sake of rebelling.

Which, unfortunately, means it attracts a lot of attention-seeking idiots who have no desire to debate but every desire to prove themselves right.

Pretty much this. They feel smarter and superior to others, and it makes them feel good to be part of the "I'm more intelligent and logical than you are" crowd.

 

[CVSiN]

Atheists don't worship gods, they worship men, a group of them (Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett, Harris) or the "Four Horsemen of New Atheism".

Dawkins is making a killing, financially, by convincing the world that God is not only a "Delusion", but religion is an enemy of mankind.

I guess he counts as your diety, with other like-minded Dawkin-ites.

The only difference between a Christian's diety and yours is that you can actually see him. Enjoy that man worship!

Who?
I don't even know who those people are let alone worship them..

 

[OverVolt]

You still don't understand the most fundamental concepts here. Atheism is based off of the absence of belief. It has nothing to do with worship, it isn't belief in the opposite, it's the lack of belief. You keep trying to put atheists in a spot so that you can try to understand them, but the spot you think they are in simply doesn't reflect the reality of it.

The...opposite... of what other people believe.... is the belief? Seems about right.

How is Atheism not a belief? You guys are SO certain that there is no God, but neither side knows for sure. It's the same blind faith that you guys criticize. You have no more information to make up your mind on the existence of God, or not, than anyone else. Its a Belief.

You know how you guys say religion is hypocritical? Its because people are hypocritical.

 

[Retro Rob]

I don't know a single atheist that worships Richard Dawkins, nor Hitchens, nor Dennett, nor Harris. They may agree / disagree with their points, but that's it.

Worship doesn't always entail meeting together and giving reverence to a higher power.

You can worship a tire if you want based on the amount of reverence you give it.

Atheists talk to each other and exchange ideas like normal people. Heck, they even read books written by like-minded people. They dont follow written doctrine, but a set of ideas -- typically that God doesn't exist.

the difference? NONE!

The dont meet in a building, but they meet in the sense that they're all in agreement with one central idea.

They can't get around the FACT that they function as a group. If they didn't, they should NEVER agree... but they do, and the "four horsemen" is a strong indicator that they acted as a group, and will continue despite the passing of Hitchens.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Pretty much this. They feel smarter and superior to others, and it makes them feel good to be part of the "I'm more intelligent and logical than you are" crowd.

No, we ARE smarter than others. Plenty of data available on this, atheists are smarter than believers and the higher the intelligence of an individual the greater the chance that person will be an atheist.


If person A drops a book and thinks "whoops, gravity is a harsh mistress" while person B drops a book and thinks "man, I wish the invisible fairy living in my shoes would stop trying to snatch things out of my hands" even bible-thumpers would agree that person B is a complete idiot. And they would also be too dumb to understand the irony.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Do you think adding tomato and a hint of basil to my grilled cheese will spice it up a bit?

I feel that simply cheese and bread is a bit over-done.

 

[dighn]

because theists like to stir shit up and it is really annoying.

 

[OverVolt]

If person A drops a book and thinks "whoops, gravity is a harsh mistress" while person B drops a book and thinks "man, I wish the invisible fairy living in my shoes would stop trying to snatch things out of my hands" even bible-thumpers would agree that person B is a complete idiot. And they would also be too dumb to understand the irony.

No one thinks that way, no one is that stupid. There aren't arguments about the existence of gravity or not, lol. What happened to that superior logic you guys supposedly possess?

 

[CVSiN]

The...opposite... of what other people believe.... is the belief? Seems about right.

Um not even close..

If that was the truth ALL religions would fall under that.
Remember Christianity is still a very new young religion as well as one of the most aggressive and intolerant of other religions ( right up there with Islam)

You Christians have proven over and over to ALL other religions as well as Atheists that it is your way or "hell" period.

And in some cases started campaigns against "infidels" The Crusades anyone?
When was the last time an Atheist started an army to convert others by force?

And even more so to the point how many religions over the centuries have humans believed in which were later proven to be Fairy Tales?
MANY...
which who is to say when today's religions will join them as extinct.
There are very few that have stood the test of CENTURIES.
Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Jainism are the ones that have..

So why is it Christians come along centuries later and then try to tell everyone else they are wrong.
Who says?
That is my problem with religion.
There are so many different stances on it so who is right?

 

[OverVolt]

Atheists aren't actually criticizing religion they are criticizing people.

That is why.

When was the last time an Atheist started an army to convert others by force?

Get enough of them together in one spot and find out.

 

[IronWing]

Then there is Pascal's wager. If you believe in God, and he doesn't exist, you've lost nothing. If you don't believe in God, and he does exist, you've lost out. Logically, its not smart. Betting on there being no god is a losing bet 100% of the time.

Two problems there. One, if you pick the wrong god to believe in, you're screwed or pick the right god but fail to meet the expectations of that god, you're still screwed. Two, Pascal's wager only addresses the "soul". Going beyond simple belief in a god to participation in religious activity which requires material and time commitment changes the bet entirely. If you believe in a god that demands your time and treasure and there is no god then you've wasted your resources. Pascal's wager, as generally discussed, is like pulling the handle on a slot machine and discussing the possible outcomes without factoring in the value of the coin you fed into the slot.

 

[Juddog]

The...opposite... of what other people believe.... is the belief? Seems about right.

How is Atheism not a belief? You guys are SO certain that there is no God, but neither side knows for sure. It's the same blind faith that you guys criticize. You have no more information to make up your mind on the existence of God, or not, than anyone else. Its a Belief.

You know how you guys say religion is hypocritical? Its because people are hypocritical.

You still aren't grasping this; I'm not sure if you're being obtuse or just trolling at this point.

Lack of something is not the opposite of something. Darkness is not the opposite of light, it's the absence of light. You don't have to believe in darkness to see that the light isn't on.

 

[TridenT]

People in this forum (both theists and atheists) are pretty bad at arguing. EDIT: Both sides are also very ignorant and need to do some serious learning.

Logical fallacies all over the fucking place.

 

[Juddog]

Atheists aren't actually criticizing religion they are criticizing people.

That is why.

If someone goes around making dumb statements and tries to spread that garbage to the classrooms, then it deserves to be criticized.

 

[Juddog]

Worship doesn't always entail meeting together and giving reverence to a higher power.

You can worship a tire if you want based on the amount of reverence you give it.

Atheists talk to each other and exchange ideas like normal people. Heck, they even read books written by like-minded people. They dont follow written doctrine, but a set of ideas -- typically that God doesn't exist.

the difference? NONE!

The dont meet in a building, but they meet in the sense that they're all in agreement with one central idea.

They can't get around the FACT that they function as a group. If they didn't, they should NEVER agree... but they do, and the "four horsemen" is a strong indicator that they acted as a group, and will continue despite the passing of Hitchens.

Just because a bunch of people agree about something doesn't mean that they worship that thing. I know a bunch of people that agree that the sky is blue during the day - I wouldn't say any of them are sky worshippers though.

 

[OverVolt]

You still aren't grasping this; I'm not sure if you're being obtuse or just trolling at this point.

Lack of something is not the opposite of something. Darkness is not the opposite of light, it's the absence of light. You don't have to believe in darkness to see that the light isn't on.

Atheism is the belief in no God. You guys try to spin yourselves as being above us mere humans with beliefs, so its not actually my logical fallacy to try and figure out. Atheists are probably the most hypocritical thinkers. You guys say nothing but the facts matter, but both the religious and Atheists have the same facts available to them to believe in God... or not.

I'm betting you also believe in money to carry out transactions, the necessity of government to society and the need to spend resources on the greater good of mankind. I guess since those are just beliefs too its just a fairy tale.