Why do some atheists love circlejerks on a tech forum?

[mrCide]

Don't feed the religious trolls.

 

[IronWing]

I'm betting you also believe in money to carry out transactions, the necessity of government to society and the need to spend resources on the greater good of mankind. I guess since those are just beliefs too its just a fairy tale.

Money is a fairy tale but it is a useful fairy tale. Gods are not useful.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Good news guys - the tomato and basil addition to my grilled cheese was FANTASTIC. Although I must say, I got a bit heavy handed on the bay leaf and rosemary in my chicken soup. But hey, you live and you learn!

 

[Gibsons]

Money is a fairy tale but it is a useful fairy tale. Gods are not useful.

They're very useful if you're the old guy in the funny hat collecting money.

 

[shortylickens]

Good news guys - the tomato and basil addition to my grilled cheese was FANTASTIC. Although I must say, I got a bit heavy handed on the bay leaf and rosemary in my chicken soup. But hey, you live and you learn!

Instead of talking about sammiches, why dont you just ignore the thread?


Also, I like loud atheists as much as loud christians. Which is to say, not at all.

 

[busydude]

You guys say nothing but the facts matter, but both the religious and Atheists have the same facts available to them to believe in God... or not.

Still waiting for facts to prove God is real.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Instead of talking about sammiches, why dont you just ignore the thread?


Also, I like loud atheists as much as loud christians. Which is to say, not at all.

If I don't talk about it, no one will ever know about it.

I value my lunch that much.



And yes.

 

[Xonoahbin]

Atheism is the belief in no God. You guys try to spin yourselves as being above us mere humans with beliefs, so its not actually my logical fallacy to try and figure out. Atheists are probably the most hypocritical thinkers. You guys say nothing but the facts matter, but both the religious and Atheists have the same facts available to them to believe in God... or not.

I'm betting you also believe in money to carry out transactions, the necessity of government to society and the need to spend resources on the greater good of mankind. I guess since those are just beliefs too its just a fairy tale.

No. Do you realize how condescending it is to tell atheists what they stand for? Look, there's an etymological argument to be made here (definitions):

Atheism: a means "non" and "theism" means religion. Non-religious. Does not mean "believes there IS NO GOD" but means "I don't believe in God." As much as you'd like it not to be, it's different. In Western thinking, we refer to "burden of proof." Our "presumption" would not be that there is a God, but that there isn't one until it's been proven. Again, that doesn't mean ruling out the possibility of a God, but not actively believing there is one.

Agnosticism: gnosticism means "knowing" or "able to know." Agnosticism, then, is "not knowing" or "not able to know." Guess what? It's absolutely possible to be an agnostic atheist. Most atheists are, in fact, agnostic: they do not conclusively claim "there is no God" or claim that it can be proven that there is no God. They just don't presume that there is one, but also don't claim to know for sure whether there is one or not.

There are a lot of religious people that are agnostic, too: they don't feel they can know whether there is a God or not until they die. They just fall for Pascal's Wager and figure it's a better bet to believe in one while they live.

Anything that can be empirically tested is fair game for me--that's the stuff I can claim to "know" once it's been tested. You mention all kinds of things above that can be tested, so I can't see your argument meaning anything at all.

 

[zinfamous]

Lot of christians think they are better than Athiests. I've never seen a religious belief system with such a big ego. I've learned to stop getting in the middle of it. They can enjoy their time on Earth persecuting others, but they'll be disappointed at what comes at the end.

Christians also fear the unknown or anything that they can't see with their eyes. They are simple minded, and I feel sorry for them.

I changed some things around.

funny how it sounds equally as true this way, doesn't it?


Lesson:
You need to learn how to formulate worthwhile arguments, based not on biased, windowed opinions.

 

[destrekor]

Atheists also fear the unknown or anything that they can't see with their eyes. They are simple minded, and I feel sorry for them.

oh dear

 

[Retro Rob]

Just because a bunch of people agree about something doesn't mean that they worship that thing. I know a bunch of people that agree that the sky is blue during the day - I wouldn't say any of them are sky worshippers though.

I didn't say that agreeing on something is tantamount to worship. I said that agreeing on something and having like minded discourse at times is how groups function.

 

[destrekor]

Do you think adding tomato and a hint of basil to my grilled cheese will spice it up a bit?

I feel that simply cheese and bread is a bit over-done.

There's this place around here, called Paddy Jacks, that is entirely dedicated to serving up grilled cheese with a bunch of additions.

I had one, on sourdough (I almost got the asiago bread), with ham and fried egg.
it was delicious.

They had probably like 30 different types of grilled cheese sandwiches. My mind was lost looking at the menu, but I saw ham and fried egg and I didn't have to be confused anymore - that was the one for me.

 

[OverVolt]

No. Do you realize how condescending it is to tell atheists what they stand for? Look, there's an etymological argument to be made here (definitions):

Atheism: a means "non" and "theism" means religion. Non-religious. Does not mean "believes there IS NO GOD" but means "I don't believe in God." As much as you'd like it not to be, it's different. In Western thinking, we refer to "burden of proof." Our "presumption" would not be that there is a God, but that there isn't one until it's been proven. Again, that doesn't mean ruling out the possibility of a God, but not actively believing there is one.

Agnosticism: gnosticism means "knowing" or "able to know." Agnosticism, then, is "not knowing" or "not able to know." Guess what? It's absolutely possible to be an agnostic atheist. Most atheists are, in fact, agnostic: they do not conclusively claim "there is no God" or claim that it can be proven that there is no God. They just don't presume that there is one, but also don't claim to know for sure whether there is one or not.

There are a lot of religious people that are agnostic, too: they don't feel they can know whether there is a God or not until they die. They just fall for Pascal's Wager and figure it's a better bet to believe in one while they live.

Anything that can be empirically tested is fair game for me--that's the stuff I can claim to "know" once it's been tested. You mention all kinds of things above that can be tested, so I can't see your argument meaning anything at all.

Atheists sure do alot of dancing around the word belief.

If you don't make a claim, its not a belief, but they are allowed to 'presume' on the matter, without making a claim -ok lol. I guess its just more of the same trend where people word things very passively these days. Not sayin I don't believe in God, but I don't believe in God. But I didn't claim that I did! So its not a belief.

Oh and... beliefs are fairy tales for suckers

-Sincerely,
an Atheists.

What a joke.... lmao. The Atheists are the ones with the convoluted beliefs. At least I'm aware that mine even exist. Its like procrastinating making a decision if you believe in something or not.

 

[Xonoahbin]

Atheists sure do alot of dancing around the word belief.

If you don't make a claim, its not a belief, but they are allowed to 'presume' on the matter, without making a claim -ok lol. I guess its just more of the same trend where people word things very passively these days. Not sayin I don't believe in God, but I don't believe in God. But I didn't claim that I did! So its not a belief.

Oh and... beliefs are fairy tales for suckers

-Sincerely,
an Atheists.

What a joke.... lmao. The Atheists are the ones with the convoluted beliefs. At least I'm aware that mine even exist. Its like procrastination making a decision of you believe in something or not.

Funny, I'd call it wise for not making claims I can't support, which is something you're unfortunately unable to do. I don't believe in God--that's correct. But that's different from saying "I believe there is no God." Do you mean to tell me you honestly can't see the difference?

 

[dighn]

Atheists sure do alot of dancing around the word belief.

If you don't make a claim, its not a belief, but they are allowed to 'presume' on the matter, without making a claim -ok lol. I guess its just more of the same trend where people word things very passively these days. Not sayin I don't believe in God, but I don't believe in God. But I didn't claim that I did! So its not a belief.

Oh and... beliefs are fairy tales for suckers

-Sincerely,
an Atheists.

What a joke.... lmao. The Atheists are the ones with the convoluted beliefs. At least I'm aware that mine even exist. Its like procrastinating making a decision if you believe in something or not.

Why MUST we take a stance on this? "God" does not apply to our daily lives; "God" is not needed to explain the natural or human world. "God" is not important enough to be on our minds, until you bring it up.

 

[Retro Rob]

Atheists sure do alot of dancing around the word belief.

If you don't make a claim, its not a belief, but they are allowed to 'presume' on the matter, without making a claim -ok lol. I guess its just more of the same trend where people word things very passively these days. Not sayin I don't believe in God, but I don't believe in God. But I didn't claim that I did! So its not a belief.

Oh and... beliefs are fairy tales for suckers

-Sincerely,
an Atheists.

What a joke.... lmao. The Atheists are the ones with the convoluted beliefs. At least I'm aware that mine even exist. Its like procrastinating making a decision if you believe in something or not.

Lol well said. Some real mental gymnastics going on in that post.

 

[sonicdrummer20]

To be honest the whole arguement between atheists and Christians boils down to the following analogy. Let's say for example life is a car company there are known defects as a result of using the same mold for 5000 years(approximately). There is a QA section in this car company half are (Christians) other half are (Atheists). The Christian side know a defect exists in the car and sends out people to warn all the car owners that there are know defect with the car and a local dealership(Salvation through Jesus Christ) can repair/replace the problem parts. Atheists on the other had would rather state that there are no problems with the car and to keep on trucking oblivious to the problems plaguing your auto.

 

[Juddog]

Atheism is the belief in no God.

Wrong. You cannot hope to debate when you don't even understand the basics of what you're debating against.

If you base your debate on a false position, the rest of your argument goes in the trash. You can't have a strong building without a strong base structure, otherwise your house of cards falls down.

Disbelief is the refusal or reluctance to believe. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of a deity or deities. "belief in no" is entirely separate from "no belief in". They are the same 3 words, just re-arranged to a completely different meaning.

You should have started the paragraph is "Atheism is the lack of belief, or disbelief, in deities", and based the rest of your argument from there.

 

[JM Aggie08]

There's this place around here, called Paddy Jacks, that is entirely dedicated to serving up grilled cheese with a bunch of additions.

I had one, on sourdough (I almost got the asiago bread), with ham and fried egg.
it was delicious.

They had probably like 30 different types of grilled cheese sandwiches. My mind was lost looking at the menu, but I saw ham and fried egg and I didn't have to be confused anymore - that was the one for me.

That sounds absolutely glorious.

There's a local burger place that has some specialty grilled chesses. My favorite though is the burger that has two bacon grilled cheese sandwiches as buns :awe:

 

[dighn]

To be honest the whole arguement between atheists and Christians boils down to the following analogy. Let's say for example life is a car company there are known defects as a result of using the same mold for 5000 years(approximately). There is a QA section in this car company half are (Christians) other half are (Atheists). The Christian side know a defect exists in the car and sends out people to warn all the car owners that there are know defect with the car and a local dealership(Salvation through Jesus Christ) can repair/replace the problem parts. Atheists on the other had would rather state that there are no problems with the car and to keep on trucking oblivious to the problems plaguing your auto.

that's a pretty convoluted way of saying we are right and you are wrong.

 

[Xonoahbin]

To be honest the whole arguement between atheists and Christians boils down to the following analogy. Let's say for example life is a car company there are known defects as a result of using the same mold for 5000 years(approximately). There is a QA section in this car company half are (Christians) other half are (Atheists). The Christian side know a defect exists in the car and sends out people to warn all the car owners that there are know defect with the car and a local dealership(Salvation through Jesus Christ) can repair/replace the problem parts. Atheists on the other had would rather state that there are no problems with the car and to keep on trucking oblivious to the problems plaguing your auto.

Look man, not trying to be too mean here, but that's one of the worst analogies I've read in a long time. I wouldn't use it again.

 

[Paul98]

OverVolt you went from believing in god to not, the back to believing again? What changed your mind both times?

People have hugely varied beliefs in their god or god's, so the belief in god might be totally logical or not at all depending how you define god.

 

[Xonoahbin]

Lol well said. Some real mental gymnastics going on in that post.

What you call mental gymnastics would better be described as "nuance." It means that I don't see everything in black and white. The world would be a much better place if people realized there aren't just two shades to it.

 

[Phanuel]

To be honest the whole arguement between atheists and Christians boils down to the following analogy. Let's say for example life is a car company there are known defects as a result of using the same mold for 5000 years(approximately). There is a QA section in this car company half are (Christians) other half are (Atheists). The Christian side know a defect exists in the car and sends out people to warn all the car owners that there are know defect with the car and a local dealership(Salvation through Jesus Christ) can repair/replace the problem parts. Atheists on the other had would rather state that there are no problems with the car and to keep on trucking oblivious to the problems plaguing your auto.

lolwut? R u retarded?


Seriously, this is so assbackwards.

Religious folks are the ones saying that "What god created is flawed and the only way to fix it is to live an utterly shitty life devoid of anything fun so that you can go to heaven to be perfect again." Where do ANY religious folk "repair/replace the problem parts"? They just tell you to stop having sex and refuse to use contraception and that VD is due to sin.

Scientists are the ones going "We've an ongoing evolving organism with defects due to many factors and we're trying to fix them as we go along. God has no part in our creation. Go see a doctor if you're broken and get some real help, stop pointless praying."

 

[destrekor]

Atheists sure do alot of dancing around the word belief.

If you don't make a claim, its not a belief, but they are allowed to 'presume' on the matter, without making a claim -ok lol. I guess its just more of the same trend where people word things very passively these days. Not sayin I don't believe in God, but I don't believe in God. But I didn't claim that I did! So its not a belief.

Oh and... beliefs are fairy tales for suckers

-Sincerely,
an Atheists.

What a joke.... lmao

It has nothing to do with passiveness, not at all.
It's a function of standard language.

You can assert gnostic atheists are believers in a religious mindset, but not an agnostic atheist.
Agnostic atheists may discuss, debate, lecture, etc etc etc... but it's more dissertation and expression of thoughts than a belief-based diatribe.
Most such atheists would say "praise God!" if such a being delivered itself right in front of us. It's hard to dispute pure evidence if its available.
The evidence the vocal atheists see today supports our/their arguments, and thus that establishes the basis of conversations and research. Many are like-minded due to the simple fact that one key piece is shared: they have arrived at the same conclusion, that empirical evidence today strongly asserts the notion that God does not, and has not existed. So, they share that, discuss it, use it to feed off each other's thoughts and even debate one another if contrary points are discovered.

But they don't BELIEVE, because it is most certainly not a belief system for the average atheist. If anything, there is belief in a cause, but not belief in a system. Belief in a cause as much as natural philosophers of yesteryear believed in a cause, and the very same cause that the religious leaders often purport to believe in: the betterment of mankind and civilization as a whole.
But as to the deity-based beliefs, none is there to be found. It's very much semantics but it's an important distinction. I also feel like I am clearly failing to describe the difference between belief and a lack of belief, but I am also not trying because it's a tired argument.

For a tired example, do you BELIEVE Chaos, Chronos, Aether, Uranus, etc, do not/did not exist (you could throw their children, or their children's children in there too, but let's start at the top)? Or, is it simply a lack of belief in them, because your belief in a singular deity overrules other concepts of divine beings?

Negative belief is a very odd concept, and for all intents and purposes, just makes not a lick of sense. A lack of belief is not the same as believing a negative.