Why do some atheists love circlejerks on a tech forum?

[sandorski]

My whole point is that there's a wide variety of values those constants can be, with only a small range out of those possible making it possible for any kind of life to exist.

Look up the problem of the low entropy of the universe after the big bang and how hard it is for that condition to exist.

There's a whole bunch of data that exists which show how very improbable it is for the universe to be the way it is. In a court, DNA evidence of 1 in 10 million is enough to convict.

We're talking about 1 to 10^128 odds here, so it's inconceivable why atheists refuses to acknowledge that odds like that are not accidental.

If that's not ignoring data and evidence, then I don't know what is.

Again, your number is nonsense. I should also point out the fact that in the vast majority of the Universe, our Life could not exist. Hell, even in our Solar System we could not exist in the vast majority of locations available.

 

[SagaLore]

There's a whole bunch of data that exists which show how very improbable it is for the universe to be the way it is.

Without even reading all the posts that lead up to this response, I can tell you as a fact that you don't know what you're talking about. The probability that the universe is the way it is, is 100%.

 

[OverVolt]

Without even reading all the posts that lead up to this response, I can tell you as a fact that you don't know what you're talking about. The probability that the universe is the way it is, is 100%.

Its like saying the odds of you winning the lottery were 100% after you already won.

 

[sandorski]

Its like saying the odds of you winning the lottery were 100% after you already won.

Yes

 

[Phanuel]

Its like saying the odds of you winning the lottery were 100% after you already won.

Yup.

Now again, prove to us that god had a hand in this?

 

[kami]

Atheists also fear the unknown or anything that they can't see with their eyes. They are simple minded, and I feel sorry for them.

Fear the unknown? What in the hell are you talking about? Not believing in something is not fear.

Simple minded? Demanding evidence instead of blind acceptance is simple minded?

Good grief. I'd rather be around the circle jerkers than this bullshit.

 

[Timorous]

My whole point is that there's a wide variety of values those constants can be, with only a small range out of those possible making it possible for any kind of life to exist.

You did not answer my question. When you say that the constants could be a wide variety of different values is this just a theoretical idea that has not been tested? If so what theory is this idea using? If it has been tested do you have a link to the results of this test?

Until you can show that these constants can actually be different the rest of your argument falls over. Just because we could imagine what happens when we change the gravitational constant does not mean that it is possible for that constant to be different in an alternative universe. I do not expect any sort of experimental data but a theory based on sound science that comes to sound conclusions would be perfectly acceptable. That is what Peter Higgs used to predict the mass giving boson which we found recently.

Even if you could show that these constants could be different you still run into the problem that you cannot quantify the probability without knowing what the actual possibilities for these constants. For example, do we know if these constants are totally independent of each other? If we changed one constant would that mean that others would have to change in specific ways or could they also be any random number plucked out of thin air? Do we know of any limits that these constants could be?

The reason I ask is because I do not know, I have not looked into it and if someone does know and has links I would be interested in reading about it because it is a fascinating subject.

 

[Juddog]

"imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact, it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the Sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be all right, because this World was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."

^^ This post is awesome, hahaha!

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

We're talking about 1 to 10^128 odds here, so it's inconceivable why atheists refuses to acknowledge that odds like that are not accidental.

If that's not ignoring data and evidence, then I don't know what is.

Do you want to bet that I can personally accomplish an event with odds even less likely than 1 in 10^128 in less than a day?

If I can, you leave Anandtech and never come back. If I can't, then I'll leave.

Do you want to bet?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Do you want to bet that I can personally accomplish an event with odds even less likely than 1 in 10^128 in less than a day?

If I can, you leave Anandtech and never come back. If I can't, then I'll leave.

Do you want to bet?

*crickets*