Why do some atheists love circlejerks on a tech forum?

[KeithTalent]

I'm surprised how many atheists there are, it used to be around 50:50 now its like 90:10.

Its not like you guys are "right" because its the majority now, its just the demographics here suck :awe: At first the arguments for it were fairly reasonable and now you guys are just totally lost. Like the OP was saying, a circlejerk.

One athiest going "I don't agree with religion" is fine and then another follows up and its like "yea people are so stupid at funerals, they should be happy they meet their maker, their religion is so stupid, hah!" and a third one pops up and goes like "yea why are they crying they are going to meet their maker, we gotta punch some sense into people and go on a funeral punching spree!" and Athiest 1 is like "Yea! wtf is wrong with those people at funerals! they deserve to be punched in the face! yea!" and then you guys officially go full-retard in large enough numbers.

First of all no matter what religion you are, death is a sacred thing across all cultures regardless of belief. Spirituality to some degree is holding certain things sacred, you could say not letting the American flag touch the ground is a spiritual aspect of patriotism because it is sacred, but an athiest would come along and go "well there is no logical reason to not let it touch the ground, its just a flag. I'll use one as a carpet" and it totally disrespects the people who died protecting the country when you wipe your muddy feet on it everyday coming back home. As an example. Athiests = retarded.

Everyone is spiritual because in everyday life there are certain things we just do not do because we consider them sacred. Everyone has a spiritual meter or else you would act like a moron on public.

Wow, this makes no sense whatsoever.

KT

 

[Atomic Playboy]

One athiest going "I don't agree with religion" is fine and then another follows up and its like "yea people are so stupid at funerals, they should be happy they meet their maker, their religion is so stupid, hah!" and a third one pops up and goes like "yea why are they crying they are going to meet their maker, we gotta punch some sense into people and go on a funeral punching spree!" and Athiest 1 is like "Yea! wtf is wrong with those people at funerals! they deserve to be punched in the face! yea!" and then you guys officially go full-retard in large enough numbers.

First of all no matter what religion you are, death is a sacred thing across all cultures regardless of belief. Spirituality to some degree is holding certain things sacred, you could say not letting the American flag touch the ground is a spiritual aspect of patriotism because it is sacred, but an athiest would come along and go "well there is no logical reason to not let it touch the ground, its just a flag. I'll use one as a carpet" and it totally disrespects the people who died protecting the country when you wipe your muddy feet on it everyday coming back home. As an example. Athiests = retarded.

What's the name of that group of atheists that keeps protesting funerals? I'm drawing a blank. The Westboro Baptist atheist collective or something like that...

Yes, atheists are all about laughing at dead people and spitting on the flag. Have those bastards got no respect?!!

 

[OverVolt]

If I ever see anyone cry at a religious funeral, I'm gonna want to punch someone in the face. It should be a celebration. You should be throwing a party. Because that person that just died? Well, he/she is on the way to meet the maker. And that it's the Lawd's will. So, why cry?

Him right

 

[Jeff7]

OP said it was a circlejerk, not me.

I know. I was making a somewhat obscure reference to the composition of what may or may not be oozing/spurting out of your monitor right now.

 

[BudAshes]

I'm surprised how many atheists there are, it used to be around 50:50 now its like 90:10.

Its not like you guys are "right" because its the majority now, its just the demographics here suck :awe: At first the arguments for it were fairly reasonable and now you guys are just totally lost. Like the OP was saying, a circlejerk.

One athiest going "I don't agree with religion" is fine and then another follows up and its like "yea people are so stupid at funerals, they should be happy they meet their maker, their religion is so stupid, hah!" and a third one pops up and goes like "yea why are they crying they are going to meet their maker, we gotta punch some sense into people and go on a funeral punching spree!" and Athiest 1 is like "Yea! wtf is wrong with those people at funerals! they deserve to be punched in the face! yea!" and then you guys officially go full-retard in large enough numbers.

First of all no matter what religion you are, death is a sacred thing across all cultures regardless of belief. Spirituality to some degree is holding certain things sacred, you could say not letting the American flag touch the ground is a spiritual aspect of patriotism because it is sacred, but an athiest would come along and go "well there is no logical reason to not let it touch the ground, its just a flag. I'll use one as a carpet" and it totally disrespects the people who died protecting the country when you wipe your muddy feet on it everyday coming back home. As an example. Athiests = retarded.

Everyone is spiritual because in everyday life there are certain things we just do not do because we consider them sacred. Everyone has a spiritual meter or else you would act like a moron on public.

You mad bro?

 

[Phanuel]

You mad bro?

At least he's not a douchebag... http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34358730&postcount=32

 

[JM Aggie08]

For someone whose sole purpose is to post in the thread about how he doesn't care about what either side says, and that both sides are stupid, you are coming across as the biggest narcissist here.

For not giving two shits about the opinions of others? I'd think that would fall under minding my own business...other than calling people out, which is for my own pleasure.

 

[JM Aggie08]

I know. I was making a somewhat obscure reference to the composition of what may or may not be oozing/spurting out of your monitor right now.

D:

 

[CVSiN]

I'm surprised how many atheists there are, it used to be around 50:50 now its like 90:10.

Its not like you guys are "right" because its the majority now, its just the demographics here suck :awe: At first the arguments for it were fairly reasonable and now you guys are just totally lost. Like the OP was saying, a circlejerk.

One athiest going "I don't agree with religion" is fine and then another follows up and its like "yea people are so stupid at funerals, they should be happy they meet their maker, their religion is so stupid, hah!" and a third one pops up and goes like "yea why are they crying they are going to meet their maker, we gotta punch some sense into people and go on a funeral punching spree!" and Athiest 1 is like "Yea! wtf is wrong with those people at funerals! they deserve to be punched in the face! yea!" and then you guys officially go full-retard in large enough numbers.

First of all no matter what religion you are, death is a sacred thing across all cultures regardless of belief. Spirituality to some degree is holding certain things sacred, you could say not letting the American flag touch the ground is a spiritual aspect of patriotism because it is sacred, but an athiest would come along and go "well there is no logical reason to not let it touch the ground, its just a flag. I'll use one as a carpet" and it totally disrespects the people who died protecting the country when you wipe your muddy feet on it everyday coming back home. As an example. Athiests = retarded.

Everyone is spiritual because in everyday life there are certain things we just do not do because we consider them sacred. Everyone has a spiritual meter or else you would act like a moron on public.

This post should be nominated for dumbest of 2012. and there were some doosies.. but this one tops them all.

Anandtech OT: Mr. Overvolt, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Overvolt: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

 

[thraashman]

This post should be nominated for dumbest of 2012. and there were some doosies.. but this one tops them all.

Anandtech OT: Mr. Overvolt, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Overvolt: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

He'd already said something dumber in this thread, check out post #18.

As an atheist myself my only major complaint about the religious is when they play the victim card. For example a friend of mine the other day posted an article by Ben Stein after the Obama White House referred to their tree as a holiday tree this year instead of a Christmas Tree. And Ben Stein said as a jew that referring to it as a Christmas Tree didn't offend him. So if Ben Stein can be not offended by it being a Christmas Tree and thus explicitly acknowledging one religion while ignoring all others, why are so many Christians so offended by calling it a holiday tree in which their religion is still acknowledged alongside many others. Especially since the tree has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus of Nazareth whom they believe is the Christ!

It seems that for many Christians in this nation that the second they're expected to be put at the same level as other belief systems, that's the greatest offense that can occur. They're so used to having privilege that when you no longer give them special rights and consideration, it's the end of the fucking world.

 

[CVSiN]

He'd already said something dumber in this thread, check out post #18.

As an atheist myself my only major complaint about the religious is when they play the victim card. For example a friend of mine the other day posted an article by Ben Stein after the Obama White House referred to their tree as a holiday tree this year instead of a Christmas Tree. And Ben Stein said as a jew that referring to it as a Christmas Tree didn't offend him. So if Ben Stein can be not offended by it being a Christmas Tree and thus explicitly acknowledging one religion while ignoring all others, why are so many Christians so offended by calling it a holiday tree in which their religion is still acknowledged alongside many others. Especially since the tree has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus of Nazareth whom they believe is the Christ!

It seems that for many Christians in this nation that the second they're expected to be put at the same level as other belief systems, that's the greatest offense that can occur. They're so used to having privilege that when you no longer give them special rights and consideration, it's the end of the fucking world.

That is exactly what I have been pointing out the entire thread and one of the main reasons I distanced myself from religions.

The Christians are the biggest crybaby bullies of the world.
They are the youngest religion but are also the most pushy and intolerant. ( regardless of what they say in public)

 

[destrekor]

That is exactly what I have been pointing out the entire thread and one of the main reasons I distanced myself from religions.

The Christians are the biggest crybaby bullies of the world.
They are the youngest religion but are also the most pushy and intolerant. ( regardless of what they say in public)

When it comes to Christians, might one say the worst offenders are of the "New World" types? I.E. those who got shoved out of Europe for various reasons, and transplanted to the Americas?


I haven't paid attention to how much crying the European Christians have done, but it generally seems as if the religious aspect of Europe (as a whole, for the most part) is far more settled and much more in the background, when compared to the U.S.

Which I wouldn't go so far to as blame the U.S. entirely for this issue, as while we've grown to have our serious problems regarding religion, we ultimately have our roots to blame in our ancestry. They were the ones who were too boisterous, too violent and unruly, to be at peace with their neighbors and rulers across Europe... and thus they were either booted over here or voluntarily came over here to get away from the ones they hated, and most of them had a desire to facilitate a growth in a like-minded culture on this side of the Atlantic. And accomplish that, I'd say they did. For better or worse... scratch that, entirely for the worse.

And now we have this mess to clean up.

 

[Aikouka]

Him right

 

[Jeff7]

He'd already said something dumber in this thread, check out post #18.

As an atheist myself my only major complaint about the religious is when they play the victim card. For example a friend of mine the other day posted an article by Ben Stein after the Obama White House referred to their tree as a holiday tree this year instead of a Christmas Tree. And Ben Stein said as a jew that referring to it as a Christmas Tree didn't offend him. So if Ben Stein can be not offended by it being a Christmas Tree and thus explicitly acknowledging one religion while ignoring all others, why are so many Christians so offended by calling it a holiday tree in which their religion is still acknowledged alongside many others. Especially since the tree has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus of Nazareth whom they believe is the Christ!

It seems that for many Christians in this nation that the second they're expected to be put at the same level as other belief systems, that's the greatest offense that can occur. They're so used to having privilege that when you no longer give them special rights and consideration, it's the end of the fucking world.

The Bible even acknowledges other religions. Well, specifically, other gods, to the level that there's even a commandment about it.


Or more specifically, "You shall have no other gods before me." So I can have other gods, so long as the Christian one is always #1?

 

[jagec]

The Christians are the biggest crybaby bullies of the world.
They are the youngest religion but are also the most pushy and intolerant. ( regardless of what they say in public)

For real? None of those "facts" are true, as anyone with even the most basic education and knowledge of current events knows good and well.

 

[amish]

The Christians are the biggest crybaby bullies of the world.
They are the youngest religion but are also the most pushy and intolerant. ( regardless of what they say in public)

christianity was "founded" in 33 CE. Islam was founded in the early 7th century. so you're close, just scratch out Christians and insert Muslims.

 

[Ichigo]

Same reason priests love little boys in a church.

It feels good.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Would you mind sharing some of this evidence? I have yet to see any evidence of God that doesn't also have an explanation that does not require a metaphysical being, but I haven't heard all the evidence by a long shot.

I shared a minor part in another thread. The material is too complex for the ATOT population to understand well.

Suffice to say I am more than convinced based on multitude number of evidence.

As a sample:

Universal constants, and how finely tuned they are to allow the universe to exist that any kind of life is possible. The odds of just one of those constants being in the right range out of the total range possible is already astronomical.

All in all, the odds of this universe just existing at all in a form that makes life possible is roughly on the order of 1 in 10^128

 

[sandorski]

I shared a minor part in another thread. The material is too complex for the ATOT population to understand well.

Suffice to say I am more than convinced based on multitude number of evidence.

As a sample:

Universal constants, and how finely tuned they are to allow the universe to exist that any kind of life is possible. The odds of just one of those constants being in the right range out of the total range possible is already astronomical.

All in all, the odds of this universe just existing at all in a form that makes life possible is roughly on the order of 1 in 10^128

That number is nonsense. There is no way to know what the odds are. What we do know is that if Life were not possible in this Universe, we would not be here. Thus, Life exists in this Universe simply because this Universe exists in such a way that makes Life possible.

 

[Timorous]

I shared a minor part in another thread. The material is too complex for the ATOT population to understand well.

Suffice to say I am more than convinced based on multitude number of evidence.

As a sample:

Universal constants, and how finely tuned they are to allow the universe to exist that any kind of life is possible. The odds of just one of those constants being in the right range out of the total range possible is already astronomical.

All in all, the odds of this universe just existing at all in a form that makes life possible is roughly on the order of 1 in 10^128

Has it been shown that other values for those universal constants are possible in reality or is it theoretical only? Second, if it is theoretical which model are they using to come to that conclusion?

The biggest problem with that argument is it is just another 'god of the gaps' because we will eventually learn more about the universe and have more solid answers for some of the related questions.

There is of course the a priori argument sandorski used which is about as far as you can get with our current level of understanding as we cannot say at this time whether the universe existing with this set of constants is probable or improbable.

This is why I do not see the universe as proof of god on its own. We know from experience that once unexplained things over time become explained and understood. We have also failed to spot any sign of a god during all of the centuries of observation. As such I do not see the reason to ascribe the set of attributes the universe has to god. That is not to say that it was not god, it is just saying that there is no reason to believe, on the evidence alone, that it is god.

 

[destrekor]

"imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact, it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the Sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be all right, because this World was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."

 

[Jeff7]

I shared a minor part in another thread. The material is too complex for the ATOT population to understand well.

Suffice to say I am more than convinced based on multitude number of evidence.

As a sample:

Universal constants, and how finely tuned they are to allow the universe to exist that any kind of life is possible. The odds of just one of those constants being in the right range out of the total range possible is already astronomical.

All in all, the odds of this universe just existing at all in a form that makes life possible is roughly on the order of 1 in 10^128

If the goal was us, then that might seem interesting.

The other way works though: Because the conditions in this Universe were conducive to the production of reasonably stable matter and reasonably stable star systems, it was therefore possible for us to exist.

We're sitting here, following the same rules that the rest of the Universe near us is following, made of the same stuff the rest of the Universe is made of.

If we had our own atoms, with some component particle that had a charge that was neither positive nor negative, and obeying a different set of physics, then maybe there'd be a case that something was amiss.
But we sure as heck look like we arose from the same stuff that the Universe already contains, following its existing physical properties.

And the puddle said, let there be light.
Then it evaporated.
Damn.

 

[Todd33]

I shared a minor part in another thread. The material is too complex for the ATOT population to understand well.

Suffice to say I am more than convinced based on multitude number of evidence.

As a sample:

Universal constants, and how finely tuned they are to allow the universe to exist that any kind of life is possible. The odds of just one of those constants being in the right range out of the total range possible is already astronomical.

All in all, the odds of this universe just existing at all in a form that makes life possible is roughly on the order of 1 in 10^128

The odds are 1, we are here. You have no idea of what you are talking about. What are the odds of a magic sky god? Did you run those numbers or is it too complex for us?

 

[Phanuel]

What are the odds of a magic sky god? Did you run those numbers or is it too complex for us?

The odds are 1 in 1, checkmate Atheists!

 

[Pray To Jesus]

This is why I do not see the universe as proof of god on its own. We know from experience that once unexplained things over time become explained and understood. We have also failed to spot any sign of a god during all of the centuries of observation. As such I do not see the reason to ascribe the set of attributes the universe has to god. That is not to say that it was not god, it is just saying that there is no reason to believe, on the evidence alone, that it is god.

My whole point is that there's a wide variety of values those constants can be, with only a small range out of those possible making it possible for any kind of life to exist.

Look up the problem of the low entropy of the universe after the big bang and how hard it is for that condition to exist.

There's a whole bunch of data that exists which show how very improbable it is for the universe to be the way it is. In a court, DNA evidence of 1 in 10 million is enough to convict.

We're talking about 1 to 10^128 odds here, so it's inconceivable why atheists refuses to acknowledge that odds like that are not accidental.

If that's not ignoring data and evidence, then I don't know what is.