Why are there Obama haters?

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Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RY62
You can't hate Obama. You can't even disagree with him. He's been manufactured so that anything you're for, he's for it too! Anything you're against... he's against it! 🙂

That's the purpose of threads like this, to educate you that you really LOVE Obama.:heart:

Obama is all things to all people!

EVERYONE LOOK OUT! PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIKE A POLITICAL CANDIDATE! AHHHHH

Just has to be too good to be true, ya know?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RY62
You can't hate Obama. You can't even disagree with him. He's been manufactured so that anything you're for, he's for it too! Anything you're against... he's against it! 🙂

That's the purpose of threads like this, to educate you that you really LOVE Obama.:heart:

Obama is all things to all people!

In other words, you had no counter argument to the prior posts.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I don't understand how arrive at the conclusion that the votes of people who don't pay tax somehow count for more than the votes of the people who do pay taxes. Every citizen should get 1 vote. How much you pay in taxes seems largely irrelevant.

The ROI of a voter who pays no taxes is infinite (the time and effort and no money he invests to the amount of government benefits he receives) vs the average taxpayer who votes is futile. Democracy is inherently unfair. Just as Communism does not work because of greed, Democracy does not work either because of human greed.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JS80

This is why straight democracy doesn't work. 51% votes to take from the other 49%. There should be income and property ownership requirements to vote or give property owners supervoting powers.

Anyone else seriously creeped out by this line of thought? What country do you think you live in?

I don't like the fact that people who pay little or no taxes have more voice in how the money is spent than the people who are paying the taxes.

I would be fine with a system where you had to actually pay federal taxes in order to vote in a federal election. People who don't pay taxes or who get it all back in a refund could still vote in state and local elections, where they probably at least pay some slaes tax or something.

That is a bad idea. Every citizen should get 1 vote, but payers should get like 1.2 votes. It is ridiculous the imbalance of power of the idle citizen vs the middle class vs the ultra-rich, where the middle class have no say in anything, the idle class have mob voting power vs their contribution to society (or lackthereof) and the ultra-rich who don't pay shit anyway through their trusts and loopholes.

LOL... give me a break. One rich person can have a lot more influence on the government than one poor person.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: spidey07
Vic, Obama has already openly stated he wants to repeal the capital gains and other tax cuts.

That equals = raising taxes and taking more of your money.

He must stuff his money in muni bonds so he doesn't care

I already addressed Spidey's post here. My taxes went up with Bush's spending increases. You're only deluding yourself if you think he cut them. Hasn't this obvious piece of econ 101 been debated to death the past 7 years already? How do you expect to be able to control govt size and spending if you continue to support a fiscal policy of out-of-control debt and deficits? Seriously, you're as bad as the so-called tax "takers" you condemn. It is only with great irony that I now have to tell you that it is only when people actually have to pay for the govt they want that we can have any hope of keeping it in check.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JS80

This is why straight democracy doesn't work. 51% votes to take from the other 49%. There should be income and property ownership requirements to vote or give property owners supervoting powers.

Anyone else seriously creeped out by this line of thought? What country do you think you live in?

I don't like the fact that people who pay little or no taxes have more voice in how the money is spent than the people who are paying the taxes.

I would be fine with a system where you had to actually pay federal taxes in order to vote in a federal election. People who don't pay taxes or who get it all back in a refund could still vote in state and local elections, where they probably at least pay some slaes tax or something.

That is a bad idea. Every citizen should get 1 vote, but payers should get like 1.2 votes. It is ridiculous the imbalance of power of the idle citizen vs the middle class vs the ultra-rich, where the middle class have no say in anything, the idle class have mob voting power vs their contribution to society (or lackthereof) and the ultra-rich who don't pay shit anyway through their trusts and loopholes.

LOL... give me a break. One rich person can have a lot more influence on the government than one poor person.

One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JS80

One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

You can't possibly think that's actually the relative political influence between the rich and the poor.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JS80
One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

pfft... maybe in theory... but in practice, if poor people could actually do this, they wouldn't be poor anymore.

1 person = 1 vote, and Justice is blind. That's the American Way. Go move to China if you don't like it.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: spidey07
Vic, Obama has already openly stated he wants to repeal the capital gains and other tax cuts.

That equals = raising taxes and taking more of your money.

He must stuff his money in muni bonds so he doesn't care

I already addressed Spidey's post here. My taxes went up with Bush's spending increases. You're only deluding yourself if you think he cut them. Hasn't this obvious piece of econ 101 been debated to death the past 7 years already? How do you expect to be able to control govt size and spending if you continue to support a fiscal policy of out-of-control debt and deficits? Seriously, you're as bad as the so-called tax "takers" you condemn. It is only with great irony that I now have to tell you that it is only when people actually have to pay for the govt they want that we can have any hope of keeping it in check.

The out of control debt and deficits come from massive spending so why not cut government instead of increasing taxes? Democrats would throw a shitfit if the Republicans actually acted like Republicans and introduced massive across the board cuts, but they don't bother because in a Democracy poor people can vote Republicans out when they threaten to cut off their welfare.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80
One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

pfft... maybe in theory... but in practice, if poor people could actually do this, they wouldn't be poor anymore.

1 person = 1 vote, and Justice is blind. That's the American Way. Go move to China if you don't like it.

Yes that is theory. In practice poor people still get their welfare, and rich people get favorable tax treatment which comes down to deficit spending. If you dilute poor people's votes by assigning supervoting powers to the middle class, we can have lower taxes AND cut spending. But cutting spending can never get done because of the power of the poor people's vote.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80
One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

pfft... maybe in theory... but in practice, if poor people could actually do this, they wouldn't be poor anymore.

1 person = 1 vote, and Justice is blind. That's the American Way. Go move to China if you don't like it.

Yes that is theory. In practice poor people still get their welfare, and rich people get favorable tax treatment which comes down to deficit spending. If you dilute poor people's votes by assigning supervoting powers to the middle class, we can have lower taxes AND cut spending. But cutting spending can never get done because of the power of the poor people's vote.

You should do some research into the voting habits of the poor and then come back to this thread.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: spidey07
Vic, Obama has already openly stated he wants to repeal the capital gains and other tax cuts.

That equals = raising taxes and taking more of your money.

He must stuff his money in muni bonds so he doesn't care

I already addressed Spidey's post here. My taxes went up with Bush's spending increases. You're only deluding yourself if you think he cut them. Hasn't this obvious piece of econ 101 been debated to death the past 7 years already? How do you expect to be able to control govt size and spending if you continue to support a fiscal policy of out-of-control debt and deficits? Seriously, you're as bad as the so-called tax "takers" you condemn. It is only with great irony that I now have to tell you that it is only when people actually have to pay for the govt they want that we can have any hope of keeping it in check.

The out of control debt and deficits come from massive spending so why not cut government instead of increasing taxes? Democrats would throw a shitfit if the Republicans actually acted like Republicans and introduced massive across the board cuts, but they don't bother because in a Democracy poor people can vote Republicans out when they threaten to cut off their welfare.

It occasionally annoys me that I have to waste a post to respond this kind of bullshit. Try reading my posts before responding to them, eh? Read the bolded. And I could give a fsck about your non-existent partisan fantasies. The ideological divide over fiscal policy you allude to DOES NOT EXIST in Washington and never has. When you want to a grown-up discussion, where we discuss things as they are and not your partisan hack talking points taken verbatim from fascist hate radio, let me know.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JS80

This is why straight democracy doesn't work. 51% votes to take from the other 49%. There should be income and property ownership requirements to vote or give property owners supervoting powers.

Anyone else seriously creeped out by this line of thought? What country do you think you live in?

I don't like the fact that people who pay little or no taxes have more voice in how the money is spent than the people who are paying the taxes.

I would be fine with a system where you had to actually pay federal taxes in order to vote in a federal election. People who don't pay taxes or who get it all back in a refund could still vote in state and local elections, where they probably at least pay some slaes tax or something.

That is a bad idea. Every citizen should get 1 vote, but payers should get like 1.2 votes. It is ridiculous the imbalance of power of the idle citizen vs the middle class vs the ultra-rich, where the middle class have no say in anything, the idle class have mob voting power vs their contribution to society (or lackthereof) and the ultra-rich who don't pay shit anyway through their trusts and loopholes.

LOL... give me a break. One rich person can have a lot more influence on the government than one poor person.

One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

One poor person is a bigger percentage of society than one rich person? Not quite.

And the influence of wealthy person can easily match that of several poor people.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80
One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

pfft... maybe in theory... but in practice, if poor people could actually do this, they wouldn't be poor anymore.

1 person = 1 vote, and Justice is blind. That's the American Way. Go move to China if you don't like it.

Yes that is theory. In practice poor people still get their welfare, and rich people get favorable tax treatment which comes down to deficit spending. If you dilute poor people's votes by assigning supervoting powers to the middle class, we can have lower taxes AND cut spending. But cutting spending can never get done because of the power of the poor people's vote.

You should do some research into the voting habits of the poor and then come back to this thread.

Rush Limbaugh told him that the poor and the terrorists always vote Democrat and the rich and the patriotic always vote Republican, and that's all he needs to know!

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: spidey07
Vic, Obama has already openly stated he wants to repeal the capital gains and other tax cuts.

That equals = raising taxes and taking more of your money.

He must stuff his money in muni bonds so he doesn't care

I already addressed Spidey's post here. My taxes went up with Bush's spending increases. You're only deluding yourself if you think he cut them. Hasn't this obvious piece of econ 101 been debated to death the past 7 years already? How do you expect to be able to control govt size and spending if you continue to support a fiscal policy of out-of-control debt and deficits? Seriously, you're as bad as the so-called tax "takers" you condemn. It is only with great irony that I now have to tell you that it is only when people actually have to pay for the govt they want that we can have any hope of keeping it in check.

The out of control debt and deficits come from massive spending so why not cut government instead of increasing taxes? Democrats would throw a shitfit if the Republicans actually acted like Republicans and introduced massive across the board cuts, but they don't bother because in a Democracy poor people can vote Republicans out when they threaten to cut off their welfare.

It occasionally annoys me that I have to waste a post to respond this kind of bullshit. Try reading my posts before responding to them, eh? Read the bolded. And I could give a fsck about your non-existent partisan fantasies. The ideological divide over fiscal policy you allude to DOES NOT EXIST in Washington and never has. When you want to a grown-up discussion, where we discuss things as they are and not your partisan hack talking points taken verbatim from fascist hate radio, let me know.

:roll: go fuck yourself :roll: omg i am Vic Obamabot fan #1 i know everything i am not full of shit democrat good neocon bad oooh patriot act obama doesn't support UHC he's not a socialist blah blah bullshit bullshit i'm not a partisan! i'm just really smart!

fucking egomaniac. GFYSITAH.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: spidey07
Vic, Obama has already openly stated he wants to repeal the capital gains and other tax cuts.

That equals = raising taxes and taking more of your money.

He must stuff his money in muni bonds so he doesn't care

I already addressed Spidey's post here. My taxes went up with Bush's spending increases. You're only deluding yourself if you think he cut them. Hasn't this obvious piece of econ 101 been debated to death the past 7 years already? How do you expect to be able to control govt size and spending if you continue to support a fiscal policy of out-of-control debt and deficits? Seriously, you're as bad as the so-called tax "takers" you condemn. It is only with great irony that I now have to tell you that it is only when people actually have to pay for the govt they want that we can have any hope of keeping it in check.

The out of control debt and deficits come from massive spending so why not cut government instead of increasing taxes? Democrats would throw a shitfit if the Republicans actually acted like Republicans and introduced massive across the board cuts, but they don't bother because in a Democracy poor people can vote Republicans out when they threaten to cut off their welfare.

It occasionally annoys me that I have to waste a post to respond this kind of bullshit. Try reading my posts before responding to them, eh? Read the bolded. And I could give a fsck about your non-existent partisan fantasies. The ideological divide over fiscal policy you allude to DOES NOT EXIST in Washington and never has. When you want to a grown-up discussion, where we discuss things as they are and not your partisan hack talking points taken verbatim from fascist hate radio, let me know.

:roll: go fuck yourself :roll: omg i am Vic Obamabot fan #1 i know everything i am not full of shit democrat good neocon bad oooh patriot act obama doesn't support UHC he's not a socialist blah blah bullshit bullshit i'm not a partisan! i'm just really smart!

fucking egomaniac. GFYSITAH.

Looks like someone flew off the handle :laugh:

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: JS80

GFYSITAH.

Go
Fuck
Your
Self
In
The
Ass w/
a Ham?


😕

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: JS80

GFYSITAH.

Go
Fuck
Your
Self
In
The
Ass w/
a Ham?


😕

Whoa. GTFOOMH!!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: spidey07
Vic, Obama has already openly stated he wants to repeal the capital gains and other tax cuts.

That equals = raising taxes and taking more of your money.

He must stuff his money in muni bonds so he doesn't care

I already addressed Spidey's post here. My taxes went up with Bush's spending increases. You're only deluding yourself if you think he cut them. Hasn't this obvious piece of econ 101 been debated to death the past 7 years already? How do you expect to be able to control govt size and spending if you continue to support a fiscal policy of out-of-control debt and deficits? Seriously, you're as bad as the so-called tax "takers" you condemn. It is only with great irony that I now have to tell you that it is only when people actually have to pay for the govt they want that we can have any hope of keeping it in check.

The out of control debt and deficits come from massive spending so why not cut government instead of increasing taxes? Democrats would throw a shitfit if the Republicans actually acted like Republicans and introduced massive across the board cuts, but they don't bother because in a Democracy poor people can vote Republicans out when they threaten to cut off their welfare.

It occasionally annoys me that I have to waste a post to respond this kind of bullshit. Try reading my posts before responding to them, eh? Read the bolded. And I could give a fsck about your non-existent partisan fantasies. The ideological divide over fiscal policy you allude to DOES NOT EXIST in Washington and never has. When you want to a grown-up discussion, where we discuss things as they are and not your partisan hack talking points taken verbatim from fascist hate radio, let me know.

:roll: go fuck yourself :roll: omg i am Vic Obamabot fan #1 i know everything i am not full of shit democrat good neocon bad oooh patriot act obama doesn't support UHC he's not a socialist blah blah bullshit bullshit i'm not a partisan! i'm just really smart!

fucking egomaniac. GFYSITAH.

Ah... I can't wait for November and the 4 years afterwards. As I remember all too well from the Clinton era, you guys whining and crying about a Dem Pres make Harvey's BDS look calm, cool, and collected.

:laugh:

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Ah... I can't wait for November and the 4 years afterwards. As I remember all too well from the Clinton era, you guys whining and crying about a Dem Pres make Harvey's BDS look calm, cool, and collected.

:laugh:

*groans* I can't wait. We will, of course, also see this forum swing hard to the right since it's much more fun to attack than it is to spend time defending. Happens every time.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JS80

This is why straight democracy doesn't work. 51% votes to take from the other 49%. There should be income and property ownership requirements to vote or give property owners supervoting powers.

Anyone else seriously creeped out by this line of thought? What country do you think you live in?

I don't like the fact that people who pay little or no taxes have more voice in how the money is spent than the people who are paying the taxes.

I would be fine with a system where you had to actually pay federal taxes in order to vote in a federal election. People who don't pay taxes or who get it all back in a refund could still vote in state and local elections, where they probably at least pay some slaes tax or something.

That is a bad idea. Every citizen should get 1 vote, but payers should get like 1.2 votes. It is ridiculous the imbalance of power of the idle citizen vs the middle class vs the ultra-rich, where the middle class have no say in anything, the idle class have mob voting power vs their contribution to society (or lackthereof) and the ultra-rich who don't pay shit anyway through their trusts and loopholes.

LOL... give me a break. One rich person can have a lot more influence on the government than one poor person.

One rich person = 1 vote, miniscule percentage of society
One poor person = 1 vote, bigger percentage of society

That's why poor people pool their voting power to legally steal from the one rich man. This is democracy.

The "taxation is stealing" arguments are extremely egoistic. youre basically saying "Everything I make is by though own effort" which is totally false - you did a small fraction on your own - most everything you have is because people before you allowed themselves to be taxed for the betterment of society.... starting with day you were conceived government funded NIH/CDC/university's etc came up with recipes for a successful birth, then you were delivered by a doctor and hospital who used public funds along the way...i could go on forever but lets say you're BILL GATES now, you depend on educated workers to make your billions who usually were taught by tax payers money.

there are low tax havens and they have names like Botswana, Ethiopia, etc - all third world shit holes where you'd have nothing to be taxed.

everyone including democrats recognize there are limits to taxation (and corresponding welfare) before you generate a massive population who have no incentives to be productive - the only question is how much and that's what Rs and Ds fight over.

 

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Originally posted by: JS80
:roll: go fuck yourself :roll: omg i am Vic Obamabot fan #1 i know everything i am not full of shit democrat good neocon bad oooh patriot act obama doesn't support UHC he's not a socialist blah blah bullshit bullshit i'm not a partisan! i'm just really smart!

fucking egomaniac. GFYSITAH.

Wow, nice logical response we've got here. Did Vic push another fucking trolls buttons? I swear to God this forum is better than anything on cable tv...

 

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Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Vic

Ah... I can't wait for November and the 4 years afterwards. As I remember all too well from the Clinton era, you guys whining and crying about a Dem Pres make Harvey's BDS look calm, cool, and collected.

:laugh:

*groans* I can't wait. We will, of course, also see this forum swing hard to the right since it's much more fun to attack than it is to spend time defending. Happens every time.

So, a bunch of dumb right-wingers will come up and complain about the most inane things.

 

[OFFascist]

I dont think the government should be doing alot of the things he thinks it should be doing.

I also support the right to keep and bear arms and I dont believe he supports despite his claims.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Kappo
Could this same statement be applied to the "changes" movement you guys are promoting so much?

And yes, it WILL change. The MINUTE people realize that they can vote themselves ways to be lazy instead of working, that is what will happen. We will have 2 options at some point :

1) No one works. We become a 3rd world country.
2) People start taking responsibility for their OWN problems, dealing with their OWN issues, and trying harder.

Im willing to wager that I DONATE (this is MY choice) more money, time and goods than you ever will in a lifetime. When I do things like that, I am making the choice to do so. Since you are apparently anti-freedom, I think this concept is escaping you. To bad our entire country was founded on the idea of freedom....

Who needs to move again?

AMEN.

I think those calling for the government to "fix" things and society to "band together" forget what this country was founded on. Freedom and liberty. Not communism and socialism. It's downright scary to see some of the posts in this thread and see how people really don't want to take responsibility and feel entitled. Scary.

This is why straight democracy doesn't work. 51% votes to take from the other 49%. There should be income and property ownership requirements to vote or give property owners supervoting powers.

I can't believe someone would be pigheaded enough to submit such a foolhardy idea. As if money makes someone more valuable as a human being than someone else. It's the Dark Ages all over again.