Why are there Obama haters?

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Kappo

Why should *I* pay for *your* surgery? Im worried about life threatening problems. If *you* have to go into debt to pay for *yourself*, Im not upset.

Why has the concept of personal responsibility for yourself become completely unknown to the left?

How does one take personal responsibility for getting a serious disease which is not preventable? Health problems are the #1 reason families go bankrupt in America and many of those families do have health insurance.

Good health care should not be limited to the rich and upper middle class. We spend tax dollars on a lot of crap in this country. There are VERY FEW things which are more important than the health of its citizens. Without our health we have nothing.

How do *I* take responsibility for ANYONE else? Least of all someone I dont know?

Why am *I* taking the burden for someone else being a smoking, lazy, fat hypochondriac?

You want have universal healthcare? Great. If that happens, we need to outlaw smoking, fatty foods, fast foods, dangerous activities, etc and make absolutely sure everyone is performing their morning fitness regime. Why? Because those are OUR dollars they are wasting on some fat sack of crap that is to lazy to study for a year or two in order to get a better job that has decent health insurance.

Better yet, let me pay my private premiums and make me exempt from having to pay for everyone else's. that sounds pretty fair, right?

 

[IGBT]

..obama's just another liberal. clinton speak with carter naiveness. a true novelty candidate for shallow minds.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

How exactly does his wife and/or church make it clear that he doesn't like white people? You ARE, of course, aware that he is half white? Have you been to his church? Have you taken in 20 years worth of material from that church to convince you the he doesn't like white people, or have you based this false presumption entirely on short clips that you've seen on youtube and/or fox news?

I've seen enough short clips on youtube and foxnews to get a glimpse of his church. I've read enough about his wife's ramblings to know what they think. I've read her paper from Princeton about how she feels like an outsider being a black woman. Blah blah blah. She can't come out and say it, as she'd get an F on the paper, but to me it sounds like she has some serious racial messages. "There isn't enough afro american professors, and the African studies are way too small." WTF... How many professors and African studies do you need? THey don't have that much history to share with the world.

Defend her if you like, but as a white male, its the last people I'd vote for. Sorry you don't like it.

And as far as him being half white. My question to you, ask Obama what race he is. He'll say "African American", not "Half white"...

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Kappo

Why should *I* pay for *your* surgery? Im worried about life threatening problems. If *you* have to go into debt to pay for *yourself*, Im not upset.

Why has the concept of personal responsibility for yourself become completely unknown to the left?

How does one take personal responsibility for getting a serious disease which is not preventable? Health problems are the #1 reason families go bankrupt in America and many of those families do have health insurance.

Good health care should not be limited to the rich and upper middle class. We spend tax dollars on a lot of crap in this country. There are VERY FEW things which are more important than the health of its citizens. Without our health we have nothing.

How do *I* take responsibility for ANYONE else? Least of all someone I dont know?

Why am *I* taking the burden for someone else being a smoking, lazy, fat hypochondriac?

You want have universal healthcare? Great. If that happens, we need to outlaw smoking, fatty foods, fast foods, dangerous activities, etc and make absolutely sure everyone is performing their morning fitness regime. Why? Because those are OUR dollars they are wasting on some fat sack of crap that is to lazy to study for a year or two in order to get a better job that has decent health insurance.

Better yet, let me pay my private premiums and make me exempt from having to pay for everyone else's. that sounds pretty fair, right?

So do you support free marker and pay as you go on everything in its entirety? Or just what you don't feel you should pay for.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: neodyn55

So you hate people who don't agree with your political views? What a pathetic existence yours must be.

Hahah did YOU read the original post "Why do you hate Obama"? I don't hate Obama one bit, but I was answering the OP as he worded it. What a pathetic existence mine must be? No. I'm quite happy with my existence. But you made me laugh, because to have you judge me in such a way proves to me how stupid people are. But birds of a feather, flock together.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Tax Policy - I come closer to agreeing with McCain than I do Obama. The tax code needs to be simplified and taxes need to be kept at a reasonable level to encourage growth. The current deficit problems have nothing to do with the current tax rates as much as it has to do with the out of control spending problems in D.C.

I think you are mostly correct, but tax rates are also part of the equation.

Originally posted by: Queasy
Economic Policy - I come closer to agreeing with McCain than I do Obama. Spending needs to be restrained in D.C. and government needs to get out of the way of business so that they can provide goods, services, and, most importantly, jobs.

Perhaps I am not educated enough in this area. I do not understand how the government is causing such a large problem for businesses to provide all of those things. I realize they get taxed a lot, but that doesn't stop businesses that make solid business plans from being successful and able to provide such things.

Originally posted by: Queasy
Foreign Policy - You can about the reasons why we are in Iraq but we are there now. We broke it, we fix it. Abandoning the Iraqis to a fate of being ruled by Muslim extremists and/or Iranian puppets would be worse than going in there in the first place and would show a sort of fecklessness to our allies and enemies in the world IMHO.

I don't think there is any reason to debate this one. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by: Queasy
Health Care Policy - Again, closer to McCain than Obama. Part of the reason health care costs keep rising is because government interferes in the market place with mandates and regulations on what insurance providers can and can't provide. The fact that we have a system based on getting your health care through your employer instead of being able to buy it on your own and still receive a tax deduction is ridiculous. The government screws up so many things and has so many cost over runs that the last thing we need is another massive federal bureaucracy running our health decisions of all things. And yeah, I know Obama's health care policy doesn't do that explicitly but it is the first step toward that as employer's start dumping their health care and telling their employee's to sign up for the gov't program.

I don't know. That's a tough call for me to make. I like what Obama has suggested and to be honest a gov't program doesn't sound that awful to me. You wouldn't have ever heard me say such thing over a year ago, but since then I have been constantly been bombarded and have bare witnessed countless examples of how bad our health care system has gotten. So much to the point that I started to question if a gov't program might actually be better. We are currently headed in downward spiral with our current system. That doesn't mean you theory is not a better one. The truth is I am not sure. I would fear that the prices of health insurance and the quality of the plans would not improve enough if we did it in the way you suggest, but perhaps that fear is being fueled by not knowing enough information.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

How exactly does his wife and/or church make it clear that he doesn't like white people? You ARE, of course, aware that he is half white? Have you been to his church? Have you taken in 20 years worth of material from that church to convince you the he doesn't like white people, or have you based this false presumption entirely on short clips that you've seen on youtube and/or fox news?

I've seen enough short clips on youtube and foxnews to get a glimpse of his church. I've read enough about his wife's ramblings to know what they think. I've read her paper from Princeton about how she feels like an outsider being a black woman. Blah blah blah. She can't come out and say it, as she'd get an F on the paper, but to me it sounds like she has some serious racial messages. "There isn't enough afro american professors, and the African studies are way too small." WTF... How many professors and African studies do you need? THey don't have that much history to share with the world.

Defend her if you like, but as a white male, its the last people I'd vote for. Sorry you don't like it.

And as far as him being half white. My question to you, ask Obama what race he is. He'll say "African American", not "Half white"...

Thats all you really needed to say.

you have been led by the nose. Sorry if you don't like it.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Kappo

How do *I* take responsibility for ANYONE else? Least of all someone I dont know?

Why am *I* taking the burden for someone else being a smoking, lazy, fat hypochondriac?

You want have universal healthcare? Great. If that happens, we need to outlaw smoking, fatty foods, fast foods, dangerous activities, etc and make absolutely sure everyone is performing their morning fitness regime. Why? Because those are OUR dollars they are wasting on some fat sack of crap that is to lazy to study for a year or two in order to get a better job that has decent health insurance.

Better yet, let me pay my private premiums and make me exempt from having to pay for everyone else's. that sounds pretty fair, right?

People like you always complain when your taxes are spent to help others, but you never seem to complain when the taxes of others are spent to help you.

Your taxes are being paid to support the country as a whole and all the problems that come with it. This country has health care problems that need to be solved. There are tons of other things that your taxes are being used for which do not benefit you personally what so ever. Everyone pays taxes which are partially spent on things which do not benefit them as individuals. Get used to it. That will never change no matter how much you complain. All that will change is how we prioritize the spending of those taxes. To me, health should be one of the highest priorities. Now, whether the best solution is universal health care or not is something which I am not 100% sure of but at this point I am more than willing to give it a try because I believe that what we have now is worse.

Also, "healthy" people get sick too. This is not a new concept. We all deserve health care.

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Kappo

Why should *I* pay for *your* surgery? Im worried about life threatening problems. If *you* have to go into debt to pay for *yourself*, Im not upset.

Why has the concept of personal responsibility for yourself become completely unknown to the left?

How does one take personal responsibility for getting a serious disease which is not preventable? Health problems are the #1 reason families go bankrupt in America and many of those families do have health insurance.

Good health care should not be limited to the rich and upper middle class. We spend tax dollars on a lot of crap in this country. There are VERY FEW things which are more important than the health of its citizens. Without our health we have nothing.

How do *I* take responsibility for ANYONE else? Least of all someone I dont know?

Why am *I* taking the burden for someone else being a smoking, lazy, fat hypochondriac?

You want have universal healthcare? Great. If that happens, we need to outlaw smoking, fatty foods, fast foods, dangerous activities, etc and make absolutely sure everyone is performing their morning fitness regime. Why? Because those are OUR dollars they are wasting on some fat sack of crap that is to lazy to study for a year or two in order to get a better job that has decent health insurance.

Better yet, let me pay my private premiums and make me exempt from having to pay for everyone else's. that sounds pretty fair, right?

So do you support free marker and pay as you go on everything in its entirety? Or just what you don't feel you should pay for.

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Kappo

How do *I* take responsibility for ANYONE else? Least of all someone I dont know?

Why am *I* taking the burden for someone else being a smoking, lazy, fat hypochondriac?

You want have universal healthcare? Great. If that happens, we need to outlaw smoking, fatty foods, fast foods, dangerous activities, etc and make absolutely sure everyone is performing their morning fitness regime. Why? Because those are OUR dollars they are wasting on some fat sack of crap that is to lazy to study for a year or two in order to get a better job that has decent health insurance.

Better yet, let me pay my private premiums and make me exempt from having to pay for everyone else's. that sounds pretty fair, right?

People like you always complain when your taxes are spent to help others, but you never seem to complain when the taxes of others are spent to help you.

Your taxes are being paid to support the country as a whole and all the problems that come with it. This country has health care problems that need to be solved. There are tons of other things that your taxes are being used for which do not benefit you personally what so ever. Everyone pays taxes which are partially spent on things which do not benefit them as individuals. Get used to it. That will never change no matter how much you complain. All that will change is how we prioritize the spending of those taxes. To me, health should be one of the highest priorities. Now, whether the best solution is universal health care or not is something which I am not 100% sure of but at this point I am more than willing to give it a try because I believe that what we have now is worse.

Also, "healthy" people get sick too. This is not a new concept. We all deserve health care.

When you find a SINGLE thing that taxes have gone to that cater to my demographic (30, white, male, upper-middle class), let me know.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's the Apple Bonkers and the Blue Meanies.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Thats all you really needed to say.

you have been led by the nose. Sorry if you don't like it.

Awesome. So you've been to his church and know that it isn't as racist as it appears? Oh you haven't? So have you been led by the nose too? Oh no, of course not!

Thats all you need to say. Sorry if you don't like your hypocracy.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Kappo

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

You will always have a lot more money than these poor people that you seem to dislike so much. I don't understand why you and those like you measure the quality of life by your money so much. There is just never enough for you is there and it is always about you you you. Never bother to try and help others knowing that you are type who has the power to do so. No....that isn't the American way now is it? That isn't what our founding fathers would have considered honorable and the type of thing that makes a real man and a real American. Stop being so selfish and get used to the idea that the world doesn't revolve around you.

If you are a 30, white, upper-middle class male then you have far more opportunity to lead a very happy life than those below you. So stop complaining. You see this whole thing as wanting to stop giving to others who you feel are not working hard enough for what they are being given. That's one way to look at it. My POV is that to give you what you want can only be achieved by taking away from others who have less than you.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: feralkid
Libertarian: It's not change; they're all the same, grumble, grumble.

Actually, many of Paul's supporters, or fans now , would most likely support Obama over McCain.

But that said, with Obama, we see big change in domestic policies, but as I have pointed out in other threads, not a big change in regards to foreign policy.

I don't hate Obama, but that's not not going to stop me from pointing out my disagreements with him. I'd happily take him over McCain, but I still will vote for the LP candidate.

I think the only hate you'll see for Obama are from Bush fans, racists, Hillary junkies, and from those who think they are conservatives, but ironically support neo-conservative foreign policies. Two ideas that are greatly conflicting, IMO.

HAHAHAHAHAH yea right. just like when the dems took both houses. its been 2 years where was the "change" they promised us?

Obama wont change shit if he is elected, and I pity the fools who have bought his bullshit hook line and sinker.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: OrByte

Thats all you really needed to say.

you have been led by the nose. Sorry if you don't like it.

Awesome. So you've been to his church and know that it isn't as racist as it appears? Oh you haven't? So have you been led by the nose too? Oh no, of course not!

Thats all you need to say. Sorry if you don't like your hypocracy.

I know enough to say that it isn't racist. I am intelligent enough to say that what you saw was discriminatory and bigoted and yes I am talking about the Rev Wright crap on youtube. But it wasn't racist.

you dont know enough to understand what the word racist means, for that I am sorry.

You fall into the group of people that throw terms and words (racism, hate) around in the hopes that you make a coherent argument. But you don't even know what or how to define what it is you saw in your youtube snippets and Foxnews propoganda...here is a hint for you. It isn't racism...but it is something else.

sorry if you dont like your ignorance.

I'm sorry for the threadjack.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I don't hate. I just believe he's selling snake oil. He's naive and inexperienced. Putting people like Rev. Wright on his campaign staff and if he wins, putting Deval Patrick and John Kerry on his staff tells me a lot.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: SlingXShot
You should get some history lessons before accusing him of white person hater.

It doens't really matter to me one way or another, because when Obama is elected, this country is going to fall even deeper into the hole (doesn't matter if its Obama, Clinton or McCain, the same result will happen)... So, I guess I don't really care. The quicker this country falls apart, the quicker we can get to rebuilding it.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Kappo

Why should *I* pay for *your* surgery? Im worried about life threatening problems. If *you* have to go into debt to pay for *yourself*, Im not upset.

Why has the concept of personal responsibility for yourself become completely unknown to the left?

How does one take personal responsibility for getting a serious disease which is not preventable? Health problems are the #1 reason families go bankrupt in America and many of those families do have health insurance.

Good health care should not be limited to the rich and upper middle class. We spend tax dollars on a lot of crap in this country. There are VERY FEW things which are more important than the health of its citizens. Without our health we have nothing.

How do *I* take responsibility for ANYONE else? Least of all someone I dont know?

Why am *I* taking the burden for someone else being a smoking, lazy, fat hypochondriac?

You want have universal healthcare? Great. If that happens, we need to outlaw smoking, fatty foods, fast foods, dangerous activities, etc and make absolutely sure everyone is performing their morning fitness regime. Why? Because those are OUR dollars they are wasting on some fat sack of crap that is to lazy to study for a year or two in order to get a better job that has decent health insurance.

Better yet, let me pay my private premiums and make me exempt from having to pay for everyone else's. that sounds pretty fair, right?

So do you support free marker and pay as you go on everything in its entirety? Or just what you don't feel you should pay for.

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

Amen to that.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Kappo

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

Amen to that.

If you and him dislike that our government is trying to help all of its people then leave. It's as simple as that. Get off your selfish asses and leave because you were born in a country that has decided that this is the right thing to do and unless you choose to leave you are going to die in a country that believes this is the right thing to do. It is not going to change. At most, it will just sway back and forth a little bit in terms of where and how the money is spent to achieve that goal but that is it. The idea of using that money to try and help everyone in that way will not change.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: brandonb


I've seen enough short clips on youtube and foxnews to get a glimpse of his church. I've read enough about his wife's ramblings to know what they think. I've read her paper from Princeton about how she feels like an outsider being a black woman.

You can't see how a black woman at Princeton might feel like an outsider?

Blah blah blah. She can't come out and say it, as she'd get an F on the paper, but to me it sounds like she has some serious racial messages. "There isn't enough afro american professors, and the African studies are way too small." WTF... How many professors and African studies do you need? THey don't have that much history to share with the world.

'They' who? The continent of Africa? Your lack of knowledge on the subject does not mean that it does not exist. That you think black people haven't contributed to history indicates to me that YOU are the one with a bias against black people. Which is fine I suppose... you're entitled to your opinions but you are factually incorrect.

Defend her if you like, but as a white male, its the last people I'd vote for. Sorry you don't like it.

*shrug* vote how you like, but as long as you realize that, by your own description, you are the one making it a racial issue, since it is YOUR vote. It seems to me that if you were better than the racists(being Pastor Wright and Michele Obama) then you would be able to separate race from the equation and deal with the issues that matter towards running the country and not the color of someones skin.

My question to you, ask Obama what race he is. He'll say "African American", not "Half white"...

This is not a question His ancestry is a verifiable fact.

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Kappo

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

You will always have a lot more money than these poor people that you seem to dislike so much. I don't understand why you and those like you measure the quality of life by your money so much. There is just never enough for you is there and it is always about you you you. Never bother to try and help others knowing that you are type who has the power to do so. No....that isn't the American way now is it? That isn't what our founding fathers would have considered honorable and the type of thing that makes a real man and a real American. Stop being so selfish and get used to the idea that the world doesn't revolve around you.

If you are a 30, white, upper-middle class male then you have far more opportunity to lead a very happy life than those below you. So stop complaining. You see this whole thing as wanting to stop giving to others who you feel are not working hard enough for what they are being given. That's one way to look at it. My POV is that to give you what you want can only be achieved by taking away from others who have less than you.

So *stop complaining that you work 60+ hours per week so that you can make sure you arent mooching off of someone else and make sure you and the people around you are financially able to do anything you want*?

And no, Im not "giving" anything. The government is TAKING.

I am a firm believer in working for what you get. EVERYTHING I own and have is because *I* worked for it. Why should me going the extra mile to better myself be PUNISHED?

What? You dont want to go that extra mile? Fine with me! I really dont care what other people do. But be prepared to not have as much money as everyone else. Quit complaining because "that's to hard" or "that takes time for me to accomplish, especially when I do absolutely nothing to improve my situation". If you are getting punched in the face over and over, then duck.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Kappo

Why should *I* pay for *your* surgery? Im worried about life threatening problems. If *you* have to go into debt to pay for *yourself*, Im not upset.

Why has the concept of personal responsibility for yourself become completely unknown to the left?

How does one take personal responsibility for getting a serious disease which is not preventable? Health problems are the #1 reason families go bankrupt in America and many of those families do have health insurance.

Good health care should not be limited to the rich and upper middle class. We spend tax dollars on a lot of crap in this country. There are VERY FEW things which are more important than the health of its citizens. Without our health we have nothing.

How do *I* take responsibility for ANYONE else? Least of all someone I dont know?

Why am *I* taking the burden for someone else being a smoking, lazy, fat hypochondriac?

You want have universal healthcare? Great. If that happens, we need to outlaw smoking, fatty foods, fast foods, dangerous activities, etc and make absolutely sure everyone is performing their morning fitness regime. Why? Because those are OUR dollars they are wasting on some fat sack of crap that is to lazy to study for a year or two in order to get a better job that has decent health insurance.

Better yet, let me pay my private premiums and make me exempt from having to pay for everyone else's. that sounds pretty fair, right?

So do you support free marker and pay as you go on everything in its entirety? Or just what you don't feel you should pay for.

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

So you would be fine instead paying a corporation for every single thing the government currently pays for? 5-20 tolls on the way to work? (in city of course, and too bad if the potholes develop, just take a different route to work, free market and all.) Pay for water for a corp instead of a government, or subsidized government program, ect ect. The list of course can go on and on. You would be fine with all that?

Do you think the top 10-20% of the population can carry the entire country when no one can readily afford public school? (Since it will be gone) All the government entities set up to regulate the industry would of course be dismantled and we can let free market take its place.

I assume this is fine with you?

So again, I ask, are you for everything being pay as you go, or only those things that you *think* you shouldn't have to pay for?

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Kappo

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

Amen to that.

If you and him dislike that our government is trying to help all of its people then leave. It's as simple as that. Get off your selfish asses and leave because you were born in a country that has decided that this is the right thing to do and unless you choose to leave you are going to die in a country that believes this is the right thing to do. It is not going to change. At most, it will just sway back and forth a little bit in terms of where and how the money is spent to achieve that goal but that is it. The idea of using that money to try and help everyone in that way will not change.

YES, thank you!

IF you are opposed to making America a better place for everyone who lives here simply for the sake of doing it, then you really would be happier just leaving the country.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I don't hate. I just believe he's selling snake oil. He's naive and inexperienced. Putting people like Rev. Wright on his campaign staff and if he wins, putting Deval Patrick and John Kerry on his staff tells me a lot.

Was Wright ever a part of the campaign staff?

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Kappo

It isnt the government's job to "take care of me", despite them wanting to do it because they know that caregivers have ALL the power.

It isnt MY job to take care of people because they are to stupid or lazy to work and progress.

I already do not agree with the majority of the programs that the government has. I want the FREEDOM to choose what I want. If it were up to me, the Fairtax would start COB today. The unlimited budget the government has needs to go. I want LESS taxes, not more. I am tired of every successful decision I make being penalized by the government. I want to be able to manage my OWN money, and not have months out of every year dedicated to people who have found that they can VOTE their way to profit.

Amen to that.

If you and him dislike that our government is trying to help all of its people then leave. It's as simple as that. Get off your selfish asses and leave because you were born in a country that has decided that this is the right thing to do and unless you choose to leave you are going to die in a country that believes this is the right thing to do. It is not going to change. At most, it will just sway back and forth a little bit in terms of where and how the money is spent to achieve that goal but that is it. The idea of using that money to try and help everyone in that way will not change.

Could this same statement be applied to the "changes" movement you guys are promoting so much?

And yes, it WILL change. The MINUTE people realize that they can vote themselves ways to be lazy instead of working, that is what will happen. We will have 2 options at some point :

1) No one works. We become a 3rd world country.
2) People start taking responsibility for their OWN problems, dealing with their OWN issues, and trying harder.

Im willing to wager that I DONATE (this is MY choice) more money, time and goods than you ever will in a lifetime. When I do things like that, I am making the choice to do so. Since you are apparently anti-freedom, I think this concept is escaping you. To bad our entire country was founded on the idea of freedom....

Who needs to move again?