Queasy
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Stuff like the 57 states and 10,0000 people killed by a tornado are silly and more of a way, for me at least, tweaking the Bushism folks and the MSM who never covers this stuff but never let Quayle live down Potatoe.
The stuff like the meeting Khruschev and other things Obama has said about history (like FDR and Truman meeting America's enemies) shows a certain ignorance about American history in regards to foreign policy that I find more than a little disturbing.
Is there a candidate which you do agree with on these subjects? McCain pretty much supports something almost exactly like what we have now with most of those and they really are not working very well especially when considering how they effect those who are barely middle class or less.
You'll find a lot more Hillary Clinton haters around here than Obama haters. I never hated him or even disliked him much, I just preferred Hillary. It's Hillary Clinton that has been called mean and disrespectful names in nearly every thread here for the past 6 months, not Obama. In fact much of my support for her was the result of just being disgusted by all the relentless and irrational Clinton bashing that I saw here in this forum.
As for Obama, I think he is a promising young politician and a likeable guy, but not quite deserving of the lovefest he has gotten from many here and from the media. I'm a little annoyed that he seems to have been the "chosen one" by many democratic insiders and by the media who are so enthralled by the idea of him being the first black president. People like to pretend that he came out of nowhere and he's a David beating Goliath, when in fact he has been being groomed for this for quite some time. It's no accident that he is where he is, and yes, it has a lot to do with the color of his skin.
As for Obama, I think he is a promising young politician and a likeable guy, but not quite deserving of the lovefest he has gotten from many here and from the media. I'm a little annoyed that he seems to have been the "chosen one" by many democratic insiders and by the media who are so enthralled by the idea of him being the first black president. People like to pretend that he came out of nowhere and he's a David beating Goliath, when in fact he has been being groomed for this for quite some time. It's no accident that he is where he is, and yes, it has a lot to do with the color of his skin.
Kappo
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While I do not agree with his Foreign Policy (I dont agree with Obama's either, btw), healthcare is exactly where it needs to be.
If you cannot find a job with healthcare benefits to make it affordable :
1) Stop squeezing out kids.
2) Get smarter. Even a MORON can get a job with health benefits to reduce costs. If you fall below MORON, then I really dont care about you anyway. The exception to this is : children under the age of 2, and adults over the age of 65.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
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Because both he and the media believe he is entitled to the Office of the Presidency. The tone of news stories, photos taken of him, etc. all portray him as some sort of savior.
The Sheeple buy his "change" rhetoric hook, line, and sinker, while there is little substance beneath the crowds, lights, and bombastic voice.
This country needs solutions. It needs plans. It needs action. It needs a leader. Not a showman. And certainly not a man who wants to give money to everyone with their hand out, someone who will continue to drive us deeper into debt and devalue the Dollar.
This style and no substance and no action culture of ours must end but instead will only be fueled by BHO.
I personally dislike all three (two) candidates and have no idea who will get my vote.
I don't care about gender or skin color. I care about issues. And no one, no matter their minority status, is entitled to public office nor is free from criticism.
The Sheeple buy his "change" rhetoric hook, line, and sinker, while there is little substance beneath the crowds, lights, and bombastic voice.
This country needs solutions. It needs plans. It needs action. It needs a leader. Not a showman. And certainly not a man who wants to give money to everyone with their hand out, someone who will continue to drive us deeper into debt and devalue the Dollar.
This style and no substance and no action culture of ours must end but instead will only be fueled by BHO.
I personally dislike all three (two) candidates and have no idea who will get my vote.
I don't care about gender or skin color. I care about issues. And no one, no matter their minority status, is entitled to public office nor is free from criticism.
I'm sorry but that is just not true. The only thing that most health care really provides people in this country is a safety net just in case something extremely expensive happens. Even then, there are far too many health care plans which severely limit how much they will pay for in this case.
Here are some examples:
1. I work in an office which has had quite a few people go in for surgeries over the past 2 years. Most of those surgeries used to require the patient to remain in the hospital for an extra day or two just in case something bad happened. These days more and more hospitals are rushing patients out the door same day for these surgeries. It's not that they want to do it. They know it is in the best interest of the patient to remain their for an extra 12-24 hours. The problem is that insurance isn't willing to pay for it. This shows how the quality of health care is going down the tubes.
2. My SO recently needed to go in for surgery. We did some price checking with various surgeons and found out some information which is rather disturbing. We found out that if she didn't have insurance then the surgery would cost about $2500. However, if she did have insurance then the procedure was going to cost $6000. We were not supposed to know that but we found out because someone made a mistake. I did some research and I found out that hospitals do this sort of thing regularly. I also did some math. I found out that the vast majority of insurance plans would result in us paying more out of pocket for a $6000 surgery after only having the insurance for 4 months. That is seriously messed up. We ended up paying less out of pocket without insurance.
These kinds of things are not uncommon at all. In addition, I am finding that more and more jobs (especially those which most lower middle class and lower class have) are not offering insurance options and if they are then the plans are awful and they are not even close to being worth the cost.
I wouldn't say I hate him. Strongly dislike because of his racist statements, "whitey's fault" views and words for sure. Couple this with absurd rhetoric about taking business's profits, taxing them to death and taking from the rich for wealth redistribution, healthcare platform, his views on guns. All of this deeply disagrees with my views and philosophy.
It's to the point now that I just shake my head in disgust when he speaks because his ideas are so dumb and anti-American. I shake it even more when people eat it up hook, line and sinker.
It's to the point now that I just shake my head in disgust when he speaks because his ideas are so dumb and anti-American. I shake it even more when people eat it up hook, line and sinker.
bamacre
Lifer
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I disagree. Paul is pretty much a Libertarian with a strict interpretation of the US Constitution. If he is perceived as a "change everything" candidate, then it really says how far we have moved, or "changed," from the ideals of our founders and of the Constitution.
Is "entitled" the new buzz word for republicans and rich people lately? I keep hearing that more and more about many topics of discussion. I think that is a word that is used too often and too quickly. People need to understand that there is a difference between fighting for and wanting something very badly and straight up feeling entitled to it.
rudder
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Because if I do not vote for him I will be labeled an anti-muslim racist. That's reason enough to hate him.
But really we have this guy who is a great orator... but when I look at the substance I see nothing other than someone who has a lot of tax-raising programs and no international politcal experience.
I was really excited about this election because I thought a true leader might steup up to the plate. Not sure who that would have been... but now I have to choose between Obama and McCain.
what about tax and economic policies?
Also, why would you force the cost of health care onto employers? What did they do to you? Don't you realize that by placing that burden on American employers, you make them less competitive in the global market and it makes it more attractive for them to send work OUT of the country where they can be free from the cost of health care.
ProfJohn
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So anyone who is opposed to Obama now 'hates' Obama?Originally posted by: SlingXShot
If you look, there were like what 2 dozen candidates in the beggining and now filtered down to two?
Why do you hate obama? Other than race and muslim which are pathetic excuses.
To those who hate Obama, who's better, yourself?
When I look around these forums I don't see a lot of people showing 'hate' for Obama. Instead I see a lot people who don't like Obama or oppose him because of his stance on issues.
People typically don't start to hate a candidate until after they have won office. Hillary being one of the few exceptions to that rule.
No doubt. The entire political scene nowadays is nothing but sound bites. Thats what sells, and with these politicians speaking for 13-16 hours a day, alot of sound bites will be produced. It is sad really since they now spend more of there time worrying about slipping up, than worrying about there answer to the question that is posed. It is why you see alot of "canned" answers in politics today, answers that are tried and true and produce no sound bites. Its better to not be seen at all from a "whats your stance" than for people to remember that 4 second slip up and judge your entire character on it. We see it with McCain, we see it with Obama, we have seen it in every election since the press latched onto sound bites.
Queasy
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Tax Policy - I come closer to agreeing with McCain than I do Obama. The tax code needs to be simplified and taxes need to be kept at a reasonable level to encourage growth. The current deficit problems have nothing to do with the current tax rates as much as it has to do with the out of control spending problems in D.C.
Economic Policy - I come closer to agreeing with McCain than I do Obama. Spending needs to be restrained in D.C. and government needs to get out of the way of business so that they can provide goods, services, and, most importantly, jobs.
Foreign Policy - You can about the reasons why we are in Iraq but we are there now. We broke it, we fix it. Abandoning the Iraqis to a fate of being ruled by Muslim extremists and/or Iranian puppets would be worse than going in there in the first place and would show a sort of fecklessness to our allies and enemies in the world IMHO.
Health Care Policy - Again, closer to McCain than Obama. Part of the reason health care costs keep rising is because government interferes in the market place with mandates and regulations on what insurance providers can and can't provide. The fact that we have a system based on getting your health care through your employer instead of being able to buy it on your own and still receive a tax deduction is ridiculous. The government screws up so many things and has so many cost over runs that the last thing we need is another massive federal bureaucracy running our health decisions of all things. And yeah, I know Obama's health care policy doesn't do that explicitly but it is the first step toward that as employer's start dumping their health care and telling their employee's to sign up for the gov't program.
There are also several issues that I disagree with McCain on. Illegal Immigration, border enforcement, the McCain-Lieberman bill, etc. Obama holds similar positions to McCain on these.
I haven't been enamored with any of the candidates for this election from the start. But you have to play with the hand your dealt.
How does one take personal responsibility for getting a serious disease which is not preventable? Health problems are the #1 reason families go bankrupt in America and many of those families do have health insurance.
Good health care should not be limited to the rich and upper middle class. We spend tax dollars on a lot of crap in this country. There are VERY FEW things which are more important than the health of its citizens. Without our health we have nothing.
OrByte
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IMHO what it boils down to is that both candidates are more middle road and mainstream than we are currently used to seeing and dealing with. Both have a more common sense approach to issues, and we have sorely lacked common sense for about a decade now (yes even going back to the Clinton years.)
Mind you, I don't like the blatant flip flopping I see in McCain but I see why sometimes it has to be done...it IS POLITICS after all.
Back to my point, those party fanatics on both sides are going into withdrawal from having to beat the "my team" drum to death day in and day out.
We can find some common sense and also something that we can agree with in both candidates...isn't that nice for a change?
I think its the death of the partisan hackery that has had a grip over the country for over a decade now. It isn't the beginning. But we all have to go through our withdrawal. Which is why you see such venom from people on both sides of the aisle.
just my .02
Edit: OH and I think there is actually a more intelligent conversation here in P&N than there is in the street. You cant believe what dummies out there really think. You want to see some REAL HATE...sheesh.
Mind you, I don't like the blatant flip flopping I see in McCain but I see why sometimes it has to be done...it IS POLITICS after all.
Back to my point, those party fanatics on both sides are going into withdrawal from having to beat the "my team" drum to death day in and day out.
We can find some common sense and also something that we can agree with in both candidates...isn't that nice for a change?
I think its the death of the partisan hackery that has had a grip over the country for over a decade now. It isn't the beginning. But we all have to go through our withdrawal. Which is why you see such venom from people on both sides of the aisle.
just my .02
Edit: OH and I think there is actually a more intelligent conversation here in P&N than there is in the street. You cant believe what dummies out there really think. You want to see some REAL HATE...sheesh.
The right forget that the new deal programs, and the "all in this together" mentality was the first step into the insane level of productivity that the states were able to sustain after WW2. If you really think a nation can survive on a "every man for himself" you are ideologically challenged. Though, I suppose if you favor anarchy and think it can work I can see your point of view even though I think its foolish.
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