Exactly what I was going to say. You cannot separate an entire demographic based on a single trait from your life and claim that your decision was based on some other mitigating factor.
Exactly what I was going to say. You cannot separate an entire demographic based on a single trait from your life and claim that your decision was based on some other mitigating factor.
I have a number of friends that are gay, and a number that are bi. I don't think I have any that are out lesbians. Hmm. It doesn't particularly bother me, though I've shown no homosexual inclinations in my life. I guess I've seen numerous healthy and unhealthy relationships of every stripe and color to realize that devotion, love, and intimacy can flow between most any two healthy people.
subconscious fear of being raped
they are normally the predator and it makes them nervous and uncomfortable to possibly be the prey
they are normally the predator and it makes them nervous and uncomfortable to possibly be the prey
I think the reason people hate/dislike/fear/despise homosexuals is ignorance. I include religion in the realm of ignorance and I think it is one of the major reasons people dislike homosexuals, at least in the United States. Some book said its wrong to be gay, so I guess that's true.
Religion's only purpose is to explain everything that science fails to. Throughout and even before the 20th century, improvements in science have explained away a lot of religion. Everyone's entitled to his or her beliefs, but that doesn't make them right. It's nice to have a big book that tells you everything is ok and lets you dislike other people for not agreeing with it. Of course my biggest problem (probably because I live in the US where it is so pervasive) is with Christianity, where the gospels preach love to all, but most modern Christians choose to only pay attention to the parts that lead to persecution and general assholery to anyone who disagrees.
Religion's only purpose is to explain everything that science fails to. Throughout and even before the 20th century, improvements in science have explained away a lot of religion. Everyone's entitled to his or her beliefs, but that doesn't make them right. It's nice to have a big book that tells you everything is ok and lets you dislike other people for not agreeing with it. Of course my biggest problem (probably because I live in the US where it is so pervasive) is with Christianity, where the gospels preach love to all, but most modern Christians choose to only pay attention to the parts that lead to persecution and general assholery to anyone who disagrees.
Wow, a gay thread leads to bashing religionists, Christians, and the bible. What a surprise. I wonder if I can think of a reason why many choose to disassociate themselves with gays.
Care to explain why you think that?
Science has already shown that homosexuals are born that way. It's who they are, and it's natural. They are an equal to any human being. People fear them because of their differences or discriminatory upbrinings and stereotype them as something immoral. They are a minority.
Black people are just as much as a person as anyone else. People fear them because of their differences or discriminatory upbringings and stereotype them as something immoral. They are a minority.
They are very similar in social status. Gays are just a little behind in acceptance.
In the future people will look back at the hate directed towards gay people and will think of it much like we do when we hear about women's rights or black rights.
Escalation, it never started with people bashing religion. My entire family is Christian, I don't hate them and I certainly don't discriminate. I just think they're wrong and ignorant, as is their view that homosexuality is a bad thing.
BurnItDwn
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I am afraid of gays because I believe they are all vampires. I do not want to catch it from a gay vampire. So I am morbidly fearful of anything gay. My fear is so intense, that even the mention of the word sends shivers down my spine and terrorizes my soul. They devour souls with their deviant behavior and are horrible terrible evil sinners of doom!!!!!!
Or not. I actually have nothing against people who are gay. They are just regular people, who have different preferences that I have. I don't understand all the hatred, bashing, etc that goes on either. I can understand people bashing religion, as religion and faith are something that people CHOOSE. They need to make a decision as to what their religion is, and what they believe. On the other hand being "gay" isn't so much a decision, people don't just say, hmm I wanna be gay and magicly become attracted to members of the same gender. The only real choice that they have in the matter (at least that I know of) would be to try to conceal it, and probably live an unhappy life, or to let the cat out of the bag, and embrace it and hopefully live a happy life. I don't care if you are gay, and I don't care what your religious beliefs are. Just do what makes you happy and try not to hurt others in the process.
Or not. I actually have nothing against people who are gay. They are just regular people, who have different preferences that I have. I don't understand all the hatred, bashing, etc that goes on either. I can understand people bashing religion, as religion and faith are something that people CHOOSE. They need to make a decision as to what their religion is, and what they believe. On the other hand being "gay" isn't so much a decision, people don't just say, hmm I wanna be gay and magicly become attracted to members of the same gender. The only real choice that they have in the matter (at least that I know of) would be to try to conceal it, and probably live an unhappy life, or to let the cat out of the bag, and embrace it and hopefully live a happy life. I don't care if you are gay, and I don't care what your religious beliefs are. Just do what makes you happy and try not to hurt others in the process.
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you can choose to conviniently accept whichever research that supports your POV. i have seen scientific results that go against that claim. unless you are an authority in the field of sexual orientation, dont make it sound like its an established fact.
Thats not true at all. Homosexuality is a way of life, its a lifestyle. You choose a lifestyle, your not born with it like skin color or ethnicity. I am not afraid of them or homophobic. I just agree with their lifestyle and choose not support it.
konakona
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i am in full agreement with you, but i think you forgot to put "don't" somewhere there
ahhh, what the hell. i wrote like a page long reply, only to lose it due to sudden power outtage. let me just say there is a big difference disagreeing with an idea and hating or discriminating people solely based on that. i have always felt there are some people trying to act way too PC when it comes to homosexuality. you may dislike hip-hop culture, but that doesnt make you a racist now, does it?
I don't need to be in the field to see the obvious.
Please enlighten me. Show me scientific evidence from a credible source that proves that homosexuality is a choice.
Based off common sense and scientific evidence. I never chose to be hetereosexual. It just happened. Gays say that it's not a choice.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/03/news/cell.php
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=743246&page=1
Just what is a homosexual lifestyle? Are you stereotyping a large group of people as something immoral? Or do you just not support it because it's different without any moral implications?
What leads you to believe that their orientation is not genetic?
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so are you suggesting people just have this big urge to force themselve to chose incest, bestiality and pedophilia? unlike some bigots i dont really hate those individuals, unless they act upon violence to fulfill their desires - much the same way i dont hate on gays even though i get disgusted by the idea of the homosexuality. at the end of the day, they all have one thing in common : a form of sexual abberation. last thing i wanna see is this BS argument like "oh wait, homosexuality has been there since the beginning of human history..." or "homosexuality is harmles...". it could easily be argued for other forms of sexual abberations as well. for a starter, incest has clearly predated homosexuality for one thing; how do you think earlier humans procreated anyhow? its not as difficult to find elements of incest in literary works than that of homosexuality either.
Logical fallacy: Slippery slope
You obviously have some sort of agenda against gays. Grow the hell up.
EDIT: You've provided no evidence.
Not afraid of gays as I could care less what people do in the privacy of their homes but I wish people could keep their sexuality to themselves.
Gays seem determined to have others "accept as normal" their unnatural behavior. I have nothing against people into scarification or extreme body piercing either but I will never accept those activities as perfectly normal either.
Gays seem determined to have others "accept as normal" their unnatural behavior. I have nothing against people into scarification or extreme body piercing either but I will never accept those activities as perfectly normal either.
konakona
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lol if you failed to see a clear message that i have NOTHING against gays proves you are here to flame, not discuss.
see? this is what i am talking about : say something that ever-so-slightly goes against idea of homosexuality and you better have that heavy-duty flaim suit on.
as for the evidence you can simply kiss my ass cuz i am not so passionate about the cause to prove you wrong. believe what you want, your common sense sounds very unimpressive and fallacious to me. too bad i dont have my sources saved somewhere so i can engage in these cute flamewars.
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I don't hate gays. I just hate the flamboyant gay lifestyle. The ones who shove it in your face. I have every right to hate that. So it really has nothing to do with their sexuality. It's no different than the way I hate people who drive SUV's or don't use their turn signals.
Perhaps someone with your amount of ignorance is also lacking intelligence. Here:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
You made a leap of comparisons between pedo, bestiality or incest.
Show me evidence that any of those three are genetically predisposed.
Or show me evidence that homosexuality is not a choice.
Or shut the hell up.
I agree with that. It just pisses me off to see people stereotype all gays as something immoral.
konakona
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lol no make me shut up. i choose not to waste my time and energy looking for it, you do your own homework son. you are the very kind that ruins online forums staring flamefest with name callings and rude comments. who are you to tell me to shut up? go away n00b.
You still haven't provided any evidence.
If you're going to make comments full of blantant discrimination, you better back it up.
I'm waiting.
You can't study blanket statments full of hate.
If you're going to make comments full of blantant discrimination, you better back it up.
I'm waiting.
You can't study blanket statments full of hate.
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