Why are non-believers of God so angry?

[shadow9d9]

Your an idiot. There is no equivalence between Mo and Jesus or Islam and any other religion.. One was a mass murderer one said turn cheek. One says kill unbelievers and sanctifies slavery no other religion says that. Those terrorists named were rich and educated.

The people who killed themselves on 9/11 for religion were rich and educated before they were recruited to do their god's work? Citation?

Jesus said turn cheek and yet there were the crusades, the inquisition, conquests throughout europe and then the new world all in the NAME of religion. The first people over were missionaries.

 

[villageidiot111]

Religion doesn't do anything for the world. People don't need religion to tell them to be decent human beings, and without religion people would still find plenty of reasons to kill each other. Religion is just a waste of time.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Reasons why I get angry.
Cut off in traffic....
Construction delays slow down traffic...
People who drive too slow get in my way and make me late for things in traffic...
Freight Trains that take forever to clear the intersection, delaying traffic...
People who don't look where they are going while in traffic...
People who drive slow in the left lane in traffic...

I don't see belief as having any real impact as for as why people are angry, I think most people get angry for the same reasons... pretty much anything that lowers the quality of one's life.

Me, I am mostly angry about traffic, because I spend an extra hour a day in my car that I would rather spend doing something else.... If there was no congestion, and everybody drive the maximum safe speed, my commute would take an hour less every day.

 

[Zebo]

Jesus wasn't a murderer? Have you ever read the bible? People have been murdering in his name for thousands of years. Just look at David who, by "god's command," went and killed every single motherfucker of an entire nation. Every single one. Because "god" said so.

No. So that's allowed, Christian to go kill everyone?

I'd be interested in verse. I may have to start hating Christianity as much as Islam.

Are they just being dormant right now and lying about blessed are the peace makers and turning cheek?

Islam is like that too with it's "religion of peace" moniker, also Allah tells to make temporary peace when you're weak fight when strong.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Notice how oil ignored my original 10 reasons for anger. much easier to just skip over what you don't like.

No I understand you're a non believer and accept that as your belief. I'm just not going to waste the energy to get into an all caps typing e-peen contest. I was just wondering why you guys get so angry. I don't see a bunch of hate for lepracauns or unicorns since you tie religion with them also. My point is deep inside you know there is a God and for whatever reason you've hardened your heart towards Him. Any chance you get to speak badly of Him you'll take it.

 

[child of wonder]

Read my entire dialogue

Sure, human nature is the ultimate cause of all atrocities discussed here but religion gives one group of people the illusion of divine justification.

 

[shadow9d9]

No I understand you're a non believer and accept that as your belief. I'm just not going to waste the energy to get into an all caps typing e-peen contest. I was just wondering why you guys get so angry. I don't see a bunch of hate for lepracauns or unicorns since you tie religion with them also. My point is deep inside you know there is a God and for whatever reason you've hardened your heart towards Him. Any chance you get to speak badly of Him you'll take it.

I'll just repeat it again since you didn't read it. Nothing could harden in my heart about some fantastical creature people created to worship.

You wanted to ask why people are angry.. and yet you had a point before you even asked that regardless of what was said you were just going to proselytize?

Hmm, let's check if proselytizing is on my list...

How about the door to door proselytizing, the constant wars over religion, the constant shoving of religion into public places and schools, the attempts to scare people away from medicine and science, and the constant hypocrisy by those in the religious institutions? How about how you cannot live in most of the US as a non believer without being ridiculed and cast out? You can see advertisements everywhere for christianity, but if you advertise for non believers, people vandalize...

Maybe it is because a handful of ludicrous religious issues have been dominating US politics for 100s of years. It is currently all about abortion and pretending to be religious to run.

Maybe it was because when I was 13 and went over someone's house to work on a school project that I was told I was going to hell because I didn't believe in their religion. Maybe it is because my inlaws have discarded their daughter because she married out of the religion and we've been told we are going to hell.

 

[Sumguy]

This thread reminds me of A Letter from God to Man

This forum is just full of assclowns, I know plenty of athiests and religious people who have no problem with those who have different opinions than they do. My friends are about an even split with some agnostics thrown in.

 

[Genx87]

Sure, human nature is the ultimate cause of all atrocities discussed here but religion gives one group of people the illusion of divine justification.

And idelogy gives another segment its own justification. My point about using godless ideology as an example wasnt Atheism is inherent to killing millions. It is that God is just one of many reasons why we as a species have killed. You have crazies killing in the name of god. You have crazies killing in the name of godless ideology. The bottom line is humanity kills humanity and finds a justification to do it. If we never had organized religion the same atrocities would be happening and we would be arguing over which cause sucks worse.

 

[MotF Bane]

No I understand you're a non believer and accept that as your belief. I'm just not going to waste the energy to get into an all caps typing e-peen contest. I was just wondering why you guys get so angry. I don't see a bunch of hate for lepracauns or unicorns since you tie religion with them also. My point is deep inside you know there is a God and for whatever reason you've hardened your heart towards Him. Any chance you get to speak badly of Him you'll take it.

Like I said.

 

[shadow9d9]

And idelogy gives another segment its own justification. My point about using godless ideology as an example wasnt Atheism is inherent to killing millions. It is that God is just one of many reasons why we as a species have killed. You have crazies killing in the name of god. You have crazies killing in the name of godless ideology. The bottom line is humanity kills humanity and finds a justification to do it. If we never had organized religion the same atrocities would be happening and we would be arguing over which cause sucks worse.

There is no such thing as a godless ideology just like there is no such thing as a unicornless ideology.

You couldn't define a "godless ideology" because none exists. There is no set of values of the "godless" or atheist. There is no cohesive atheist group to create an ideology. It is a simple lack of something.

 

[Genx87]

There is no such thing as a godless ideology just like there is no such thing as a unicornless ideology.

/facepalm

 

[shadow9d9]

/facepalm

You can't define something that doesn't exist so you do everythign you can to avoid answering it. This is a common method used in religious discussions. Don't prove/disprove anything. Just claim superiority.

/facepalm

I challenge you to define the "godless" ideology you claim exists.

If you can't even define your own terms, you have no argument.

I expect the "I don't have to explain it to you" response.

 

[Sumguy]

There is no such thing as a godless ideology just like there is no such thing as a unicornless ideology.

You couldn't define a "godless ideology" because none exists. There is no set of values of the "godless" or atheist. There is no cohesive atheist group to create an ideology. It is a simple lack of something.

I don't think you understand the definition of ideology.

Edit: Since you're simple, I'll make it easier for you. I don't think when he said "godless ideology" that he was implying some sort of ideology that desired a godless state. Just an ideology that had nothing to do with religion. Even more so, the general idea of his post is that people kill people for any reason they can come up with to support their interests. There are PLENTY of examples of this, and if you need assistance in finding them than you haven't ever opened a history book.

 

[AreaCode707]

It's human nature for any in-group / out-group. Anytime you have a characteristic where people can identify their position and preference it divides people. The more strongly-held the characteristic, the higher the likelihood that you will have extremists taking extreme action.

See the forums, for instance. We can argue violently over butter versus margarine, a personal choice that has absolutely no impact on anyone else at all, and have it disintegrate into a profanity-laced personal attack. We do the same over crispy versus chewy bacon. There's a thread going on right now that turned into an epithet contest between two posters about obscure radiology authors.

Humans seek societal groups on any basis, and they define and defend their groups against the "unlike", the people outside their groups. Some people do it mildly, others with force. There are people with this poor behavior on both sides of the religious/non-religious fence.

 

[shadow9d9]

I don't think you understand the definition of ideology.

i·de·ol·o·gy
   /ˌaɪdiˈɒlədʒi, ˌɪdi-/ Show Spelled[ahy-dee-ol-uh-jee, id-ee-] Show IPA
–noun,plural-gies.
1.
the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
2.
such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation.
3.
Philosophy.
a.
the study of the nature and origin of ideas.
b.
a system that derives ideas exclusively from sensation.
4.
theorizing of a visionary or impractical nature.



Please show the body of doctrine that defines "godless" or atheists as a group.

"Ideology ... is usually taken to mean, a prescriptive doctrine that is not supported by rational argument." [D.D. Raphael, "Problems of Political Philosophy," 1970]

 

[Zebo]

The people who killed themselves on 9/11 for religion were rich and educated before they were recruited to do their god's work? Citation?

Jesus said turn cheek and yet there were the crusades, the inquisition, conquests throughout europe and then the new world all in the NAME of religion. The first people over were missionaries.

Everything I've read said those wars were defensive. Christian lands were being taken over by Muslims, sold into slavery and so forth so Church mounted a large resistance against sultans armies.. At one time ~800 AD half of Europe was conquered by Muslims so they didn't have much choice if they wanted to their religion to survive. Also, Pilgrims going to holy land and those Christians living in holy land were severely abused and murdered explain subsequent Crusades. Been about 25 years since world history though....

I don't think there is any good reason for inquisition. Certainly not self defensive anymore after they got Spain back from Muslims they went nuts and slaughtered

 

[Nik]

No. So that's allowed, Christian to go kill everyone?

I'd be interested in verse. I may have to start hating Christianity as much as Islam.

Are they just being dormant right now and lying about blessed are the peace makers and turning cheek?

Islam is like that too with it's "religion of peace" moniker, also Allah tells to make temporary peace when you're weak fight when strong.

It's only allowed if "god says so" but until he tells you to go on a holy-murderous-rampage, it's against his law to kill people.

Oh, and he's a loving god.

 

[Sumguy]

i·de·ol·o·gy
   /ˌaɪdiˈɒlədʒi, ˌɪdi-/ Show Spelled[ahy-dee-ol-uh-jee, id-ee-] Show IPA
–noun,plural-gies.
1.
the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
2.
such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation.
3.
Philosophy.
a.
the study of the nature and origin of ideas.
b.
a system that derives ideas exclusively from sensation.
4.
theorizing of a visionary or impractical nature.



Please show the body of doctrine that defines "godless" or atheists as a group.

"Ideology ... is usually taken to mean, a prescriptive doctrine that is not supported by rational argument." [D.D. Raphael, "Problems of Political Philosophy," 1970]

See my edited post, either you or me are interpreting his words wrong. When I see "ideology" I think of the first instance shown in the definition. You could easily consider animal rights activists as following some sort of ideology.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

There is no such thing as a godless ideology just like there is no such thing as a unicornless ideology.

You couldn't define a "godless ideology" because none exists. There is no set of values of the "godless" or atheist. There is no cohesive atheist group to create an ideology. It is a simple lack of something.

I think the confusion here is essentially grammatical. There are indeed ideologies which lack belief in dieties, so in that sense there must be at least one "godless ideology." In that respect, Genx87 is correct.

There is not a single, unifying ideology for all atheists, however. In that respect, you are correct.

While I'll situplate that the ideologies of theistic extremists are generally different than mainstream theists, they are indeed united by a very key core belief: that God exists. I don't think this is quite as equivalent to the lack of belief in God that Genx87 wants to use to tie mainstream atheists to atheistic extremists, however.

It is logically conceiveable for two given atheistic ideologies to feature zero common beliefs, whereas it is logically impossible for two theistic ideologies to be likewise disconnected from eachother.

 

[ahenkel]

I think I want tacos

 

[shadow9d9]

See my edited post, either you or me are interpreting his words wrong. When I see "ideology" I think of the first instance shown in the definition. You could easily consider animal rights activists as following some sort of ideology.

Yes, they defend animals. Atheists have no belief. That is what defines them. Therefore, they have no doctrine.

 

[Juddog]

Example of how great religion is:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/03/07/nigeria.violence/index.html

 

[shadow9d9]

I think the confusion here is essentially grammatical. There are indeed ideologies which lack belief in dieties, so in that sense there must be at least one "godless ideology." In that respect, Genx87 is correct.

There is not a single, unifying ideology for all atheists, however. In that respect, you are correct.

While I'll situplate that the ideologies of theistic extremists are generally different than mainstream theists, they are indeed united by a very key core belief: that God exists. I don't think this is quite as equivalent to the lack of belief in God that Genx87 wants to use to tie mainstream atheists to atheistic extremists, however.

It is logically conceiveable for two given atheistic ideologies to feature zero common beliefs, whereas it is logically impossible for two theistic ideologies to be likewise disconnected from eachother.

As you say, there is no single unifying ideology for all atheists, therefore you cannot blame the works of a few atheists as a blanket to apply to all atheists, like Genx is attempting to do.

This CAN be done for religious wars. The ideologies of the religion was the driving force for the wars. They were supported both in battle and back at home for the crusades, the inquisition, conquering the new world and sending missionaries with the first troops, the 1000s of years of war in europe and asia...

 

[Sumguy]

Yes, they defend animals. Atheists have no belief. That is what defines them. Therefore, they have no doctrine.

I didn't say anywhere that atheism is an ideology. I'm trying to help you see that you read the sentence wrong.

"Godless ideology" = ideology that doesn't involve God

Hence, animal rights activists.