Heh... Wait until you try a really good mmorpg such as WoW. (Didn't you say before that your internet connection prohibited you from such an addiction?)Originally posted by: apoppin
. . . at that time, reading Wingznut's comments were like 'WTH is he babbling about?!?' . . . now i know.
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Heh... Wait until you try a really good mmorpg such as WoW. (Didn't you say before that your internet connection prohibited you from such an addiction?)Originally posted by: apoppin
. . . at that time, reading Wingznut's comments were like 'WTH is he babbling about?!?' . . . now i know.
i am in a very rural area . . . all of my neighbors are on either 2-1/2 or 5 acres and it "isn't worth it" for the cable company to install cable on our road . . . dsl is out and that leaves . . .
. . . (think - Practical) . . . 56K dial-up. :disgust:
. . . so NO MMOrpg . . . ever
(i like it here; bought it back in '84)
so credit me with "baby steps" . . . i've been enjoying FPS since there was FPS; never played D'n'D and couldn't make it past the 2nd hour of any previous RPG without crying tears of boredom . . .
. . . and now i'm thinkin' of KotOR II
edit: that's why i read threads i currently have minimal interest in . . . that's how i learned about KotOR . . . . the enthusiasm over it was obvious . . . and i even keep up with WoW threads.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Originally posted by: Wingznut
It's a totally different set of "pure skill"...
FPS's require quick reactions, wheras RPG's require making the right choices and pursuing the best paths. Your character is as strong as the choices you make. Two people can be playing the exact same race and class for the exact same hours and still have very different character strenghths/traits.
They are very different genres... And both most definitely have their place in my gaming world.
The problem with a lot of RPGs is that the best path is often completely obvious. At that point, it's not about your skill in anything other than seeing the obvious.
You must be confused . . . . most FPS are "linear" and "obvious" . . . let's take Doom III as an example . . . NO ONE asked for help (well almost no one) since it was so linear and damn obvious . . . . if you get stuck, look up or down, behind something or blow something up.
:roll:
With a RPG, you are forced to THINK . . . . there are (usually) so many DIFFERENT ways to tackle an objective . . . . in this particular case, FPS can't hold a candle to RPG's complexity.
:shocked:
edit: i believe the ONLY people putting RPG's "down" have never completed a good one.*
:shocked:
:roll:
:thumbsdown:
*heck, i was "there" a month ago . . . at that time, reading Wingznut's comments were like 'WTH is he babbling about?!?' . . . now i know.
Oh, I love good RPGs. It's just that all too often you aren't really building your character. It's more like you're taking the obvious steps in you character's progression. And once you've figured out that "optimal build," there's nothing left except the story (which had better be good). With a good FPS or RTS, there's at least multiplayer. Human opponents usually provide interesting challenges, whereas solving the same puzzle over and over gets boring quickly.
BTW, I think Doom 3 is crap. I enjoyed HL2 for its interesting and varied gameplay, but I don't think I'll be playing it through again for a while. In the meantime, I'll enjoy all the mods coming out.
biostud
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Most anticipated game EV4R!!!!
I'm not really into RPG and RTS either. I might give return of the king a try though.
I enjoyed playing C&C generals single player, and W40K: Dawn of war, though
I'm not really into RPG and RTS either. I might give return of the king a try though.
I enjoyed playing C&C generals single player, and W40K: Dawn of war, though
Originally posted by: biostud
Most anticipated game EV4R!!!!
I'm not really into RPG and RTS either. I might give return of the king a try though.
I enjoyed playing C&C generals single player, and W40K: Dawn of war, though
now you got me curious . . . . What IS the most anticipated game . . . . ever?
(NO LINK)
:roll:
(if i had to guess, i would have said Doom iii or HL2 were the most anticipated PC games . . . so far)
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Agreed on Doom iii (crap) and HL2 (excellent; definitely try Chron of Riddick, an awesome "sleeper") Any more suggestions for RPGs i might enjoy? Next on my list is KotOR II (obviously - when it is patched and maybe bargain bin) .. . . . maybe Vampire: Bloodlines?
Yep, the "story" is paramount in a RPG . . . "action" in a FPS.
Anyway, my NEXT game is System Shock 2 . . . . (installed, patched, gfx updated and "workarounds" in place for Win2K)
That's where MMORPG's really step up... The progression is incredibly dynamic and even if you do the same quests, it's not always the same experience. For example...
A few weeks ago I was on a quest (in WoW) where I had to infiltrate a Murloc camp. Unfortunately, my char wasn't strong enough to do it alone (but that didn't stop me from trying.
) So, I ask to see if anyone else needs this quest and wants to help out. It's like 2am, so I didn't expect (nor get) much of a response. A minute later, a player runs through the camp and ends up getting the attention of the Murlocs. I start to follow, thinking I can help him out, when I realize that the camp is almost empty and there's my object of desire sitting there unguarded!!! So, I finished my quest never knowing if the guy survived, helped me intentionally, or was just trying to get to the other side.That's something you'll never experience in a FPS.
But you do experience "surprise" in a first-person FPS and i often marvel at the cleverness at which something is implemented.
When i thought i had seen every variation of "straight" FPSes ("not hybreds") along came Chronicles of Riddick with a different way of doing just about everything . . . instead of the clumbersome "light/stealth meter" - when you are in "stealth mode" - the perspective alters and a blue tinge comes over the screen . . . . much more realistic and you get the impression you are actually "stalking" someone.
"Bullet time" in Max Payne also "grabbed" me; so the the gravity gun in HL2 (pardon the pun) . . . even a 'mindless twitch shooter' like PK/BoOH exhibited depth and surprising replay value. And of course, the hybreds, SS2 and DE (inluding Thief series) allow a much more "open-ended" experience with an excellent story.Then there are the human opponents of ONline FPS games which provide endless amusement.
Since i am stuck on dial-up - and can never experience ONline - what other RPGs are "strong" in the story like KotOR that might have good gfx also?
(remember i am a fledgling RPGer and can be discouraged easily) :roll:
When i thought i had seen every variation of "straight" FPSes ("not hybreds") along came Chronicles of Riddick with a different way of doing just about everything . . . instead of the clumbersome "light/stealth meter" - when you are in "stealth mode" - the perspective alters and a blue tinge comes over the screen . . . . much more realistic and you get the impression you are actually "stalking" someone.
"Bullet time" in Max Payne also "grabbed" me; so the the gravity gun in HL2 (pardon the pun) . . . even a 'mindless twitch shooter' like PK/BoOH exhibited depth and surprising replay value. And of course, the hybreds, SS2 and DE (inluding Thief series) allow a much more "open-ended" experience with an excellent story.Then there are the human opponents of ONline FPS games which provide endless amusement.
Since i am stuck on dial-up - and can never experience ONline - what other RPGs are "strong" in the story like KotOR that might have good gfx also?
(remember i am a fledgling RPGer and can be discouraged easily) :roll:
biostud
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: biostud
Most anticipated game EV4R!!!!
I'm not really into RPG and RTS either. I might give return of the king a try though.
I enjoyed playing C&C generals single player, and W40K: Dawn of war, though
now you got me curious . . . . What IS the most anticipated game . . . . ever?
(NO LINK)
:roll:
(if i had to guess, i would have said Doom iii or HL2 were the most anticipated PC games . . . so far)
Gaaaargh
Linkyfied
If you've never played them, Fallout and Fallout 2 are amazing (Fallout 2 > Fallout, IMO). I got a copy of Fallout 2 on ebay several years ago for $5 shipped. Just be sure to download the patch from Interplay's site if you get Fallout 2.
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: biostud
Most anticipated game EV4R!!!!
I'm not really into RPG and RTS either. I might give return of the king a try though.
I enjoyed playing C&C generals single player, and W40K: Dawn of war, though
now you got me curious . . . . What IS the most anticipated game . . . . ever?
(NO LINK)
:roll:
(if i had to guess, i would have said Doom iii or HL2 were the most anticipated PC games . . . so far)
Gaaaargh
Linkyfied
What was i supposed to do? . . . guess?
(a dead link is a dead link):frown:
:roll:
Heroes of Might and Magic V:shocked:
first of all, isn't it "strategy"?
secondly, i have the old "Might and Magic VI - The Mandate of Heaven" from '98 . . . any relation?
that game was b-o-r-i-n-g . . . .
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Isn't the gfx really dated?
biostud
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: biostud
Most anticipated game EV4R!!!!
I'm not really into RPG and RTS either. I might give return of the king a try though.
I enjoyed playing C&C generals single player, and W40K: Dawn of war, though
now you got me curious . . . . What IS the most anticipated game . . . . ever?
(NO LINK)
:roll:
(if i had to guess, i would have said Doom iii or HL2 were the most anticipated PC games . . . so far)
Gaaaargh
Linkyfied
What was i supposed to do? . . . guess?
(a dead link is a dead link):frown:
:roll:
Heroes of Might and Magic V:shocked:
first of all, isn't it "strategy"?
secondly, i have the old "Might and Magic VI - The Mandate of Heaven" from '98 . . . any relation?
that game was b-o-r-i-n-g . . . .
It's Heroes of Might and Magic V. A turnbased strategygame with elements of RPG's as you build up your heroes. Only the universe is the the same as the might and magic series, gameplay are totally different. HoMM III is probably the game I've played the most ever.
The Gaaaaargh was over my own inability to link properly
Great games, though some people can't stand the dated graphics (640x480 2D isometric).
I enjoyed their combat more than in KOTOR since instead of sitting back and letting the computer crunch numbers you play one turn at a time. Battles take longer (and difficulty is set higher than KOTOR) but every shot counts for more.
Good stories too, especially Fallout 1.
Excellent game, too back HOMM IV was garbage.
You aren't serious, are you? Yes, the game looks old. But if you can't appreciate a game without modern graphics, you aren't a true gamer.
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
You aren't serious, are you? Yes, the game looks old. But if you can't appreciate a game without modern graphics, you aren't a true gamer.
so . . . do you still play Pong? . . . it is a classic and the grandfather of modern games.
:roll:
i really DO appreciate the suggestions (if not the snide comment) - but you must remember i am a FPS player (very definitely "spoiled" ANYWAY with the generally better gfx of the FPS over the RPG) and it is very difficult for me to play something that looks worse than the original Doom (what is it, 6x4 max res?)
:shocked:
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RTS is completely foreign to me . . . . maybe that's why i couldn't figure the '98 game.Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: apoppin
Heroes of Might and Magic V:shocked:
first of all, isn't it "strategy"?
secondly, i have the old "Might and Magic VI - The Mandate of Heaven" from '98 . . . any relation?
that game was b-o-r-i-n-g . . . .
It's Heroes of Might and Magic V. A turnbased strategygame with elements of RPG's as you build up your heroes. Only the universe is the the same as the might and magic series, gameplay are totally different. HoMM III is probably the game I've played the most ever.
The Gaaaaargh was over my own inability to link properly
i get it about the "Gaaaaargh" . . . . i though it was a comment on my currently non-functional psychic receptors.
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Only the 650MB demo a couple of years ago . . . . if i remember right, it's mostly 2D and the fighting is even stranger than KotOR's.
Actually, I got sick of FPS's for the time being. WoW is a really good game, and definitely wins the award for replay value inmho.
unfortunately it is MMOrpg and i am stuck on dial-up.
i saw your other post on its addictive qualities . . . . not sure i want something so "open" and non-ending. . . . i really DO like games that have an "ending".
Well, sure... But that's completely different.
What you are describing is a one-time, scripted/planned event. Using the Riddick stealth perspective as an example, once you've experienced it, it never changes. If you go back and play the game again, it doesn't change.
What I was trying to describe (in WoW) is a completely dynamic event. There's no way that anyone planned for my quest to go the way it did. These type of events cannot be scripted.
As for another RPG... If you like KOTOR, you are undoubtedly going to like KOTOR 2.
biostud
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Originally posted by: apoppin
RTS is completely foreign to me . . . . maybe that's why i couldn't figure the '98 game.
i get it about the "Gaaaaargh" . . . . i though it was a comment on my currently non-functional psychic receptors.
it's not RTS (Real Time strategy), it's TBS (Turn based strategy) it's quite relaxing and very addictive between playing FPS'. I would still recommend it as you should be able to find it dirt cheap in the bargain bin with all expansions. It's also a great game for playing when you have friends over as you can play hotseat, and play 2 vs 6 computers
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: apoppin
RTS is completely foreign to me . . . . maybe that's why i couldn't figure the '98 game.
i get it about the "Gaaaaargh" . . . . i though it was a comment on my currently non-functional psychic receptors.
it's not RTS (Real Time strategy), it's TBS (Turn based strategy) it's quite relaxing and very addictive between playing FPS'. I would still recommend it as you should be able to find it dirt cheap in the bargain bin with all expansions. It's also a great game for playing when you have friends over as you can play hotseat, and play 2 vs 6 computers
Turn-based strategy!?!?
:shocked:
i'll google that
i guess you are talking Fallout1/2 . . . sorry, i guess - according to the elitists here - i am not a "true" gamer (i.e. i don't play text-based games
) and even have difficulty getting "immersed" with the original Dark Engine's Gfx Engine (thief1/SS2) . . . although SS2 is OK with the improved resolutions pack . . . . :roll:
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it may never change . . . but it never gets "old" . . . but i DO understand what you are saying . . . . you get the "human" element in the online play.Originally posted by: Wingznut
Well, sure... But that's completely different.
What you are describing is a one-time, scripted/planned event. Using the Riddick stealth perspective as an example, once you've experienced it, it never changes. If you go back and play the game again, it doesn't change.
What I was trying to describe (in WoW) is a completely dynamic event. There's no way that anyone planned for my quest to go the way it did. These type of events cannot be scripted.
As for another RPG... If you like KOTOR, you are undoubtedly going to like KOTOR 2.
it IS unfortunate i cannot experience it (or not . . . it could be TOO addiciting)
and KotOR II is a "given" . . . IF it EVER gets patched.
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Any other good RPGs?
Vampire: Bloodlines?
(the gfx are supposed to be first class with a good story)
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edit:
right now, i am only taking "suggestions" . . . . i am completely immersed in another "real-time" GAME with consequences that MUST be completed by April 15
(it's like a "sim" using 1040 forms)
the objective of this "game" is to avoid "penalties" and worst - an "audit" . . . . unfortunately this "game" gives me a lingering headache (although it is ultimately "satisfying" when you win) and although i HATE playing it, it manages to sucker me back EVERY year.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:
Originally posted by: Fern
Hmm... This game sounds familiar to me
Fern (aka Tax Accountant)
at LEAST you MAKE money from this game
:roll:
(i just get to "keep" what's mine)
at least this year
any suggestions (after SS2) and the "Tax Game v.'04" for another good (lite) RPG?
and Fern, any impressions on HL2 yet?
Fern
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Sorry to say I haven't got it installed yet
I spent this week reformating and reinstalling. I was being "aggressive" and trying to setup a triple system with 98se, w2kpro & XP. Also installing my new 6800GT and new gig of ram. Wanna do some testing/benchies.
Anyway, I think I've fouled it up. Usually when installing an OC I'll roll my cpu back to desktop speds of a 2500+. BUt since this build has been so solid with the OC I just set it back to 3200+ speeds.
I mean it ran through all benchies fine, all numbers as they should be. But last night the games I have installed so far started acting up :thumbsdown:
Now I'm reading in another post that the vcore settings for a mobile aren't quitre right. The mobile "interprets" the BIOS data differently than a desktop. The result being (according this news) is that my vcore setting of 1.55v is actually resulting in only 1.40v to the cpu. I might have a good chip, but I don't think it'll run stable @ 2200mhz with 1.40 vcore?
I can't stand instability! Looks like I've gotta start over, D@mn it :|
Hopefully, by this weekend I'll have it up (hmmm.. I've never networked win98se with w2kpro, hope thats easy. I need to get on my work network to d/l the steam stuff)
Have you gotten anywhere with SS2?
Fern
I spent this week reformating and reinstalling. I was being "aggressive" and trying to setup a triple system with 98se, w2kpro & XP. Also installing my new 6800GT and new gig of ram. Wanna do some testing/benchies.
Anyway, I think I've fouled it up. Usually when installing an OC I'll roll my cpu back to desktop speds of a 2500+. BUt since this build has been so solid with the OC I just set it back to 3200+ speeds.
I mean it ran through all benchies fine, all numbers as they should be. But last night the games I have installed so far started acting up :thumbsdown:
Now I'm reading in another post that the vcore settings for a mobile aren't quitre right. The mobile "interprets" the BIOS data differently than a desktop. The result being (according this news) is that my vcore setting of 1.55v is actually resulting in only 1.40v to the cpu. I might have a good chip, but I don't think it'll run stable @ 2200mhz with 1.40 vcore?
I can't stand instability! Looks like I've gotta start over, D@mn it :|
Hopefully, by this weekend I'll have it up (hmmm.. I've never networked win98se with w2kpro, hope thats easy. I need to get on my work network to d/l the steam stuff)
Have you gotten anywhere with SS2?
Fern
nope, nowhere past the first cutscene or so . . . SS2 seems to work - and save - fine - except it will just crash every now and then . . . i think it is because it was not designed for NT o/s . . . . if it gets really bad, i will do a dual-book with Win98SE . . . but NOT until my taxes are done . . . i managed to mess up my computer one year just before April 15 and had to do an extension while i sorted everything out . . . i'm taking no [extra] chances this year.
good luck with your reinstall if necessary . . . did you try boosting the vcore anyway? ~10% seems pretty "safe".
i don't think it is hard to network win98se with win2k - you just don't get all the functionality of 2 XP'd or 2 - networked win2k systems.
i know you're gonna love your new videocard . . . . i am looking to get one probably Late Summer . . . also the reload times are much better with a GB of RAM.
good luck with your reinstall if necessary . . . did you try boosting the vcore anyway? ~10% seems pretty "safe".
i don't think it is hard to network win98se with win2k - you just don't get all the functionality of 2 XP'd or 2 - networked win2k systems.
i know you're gonna love your new videocard . . . . i am looking to get one probably Late Summer . . . also the reload times are much better with a GB of RAM.
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