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I thought KOTOR was a blast, get bored just go to the darkside :evil: I think being a star wars fan almost my entire life helps too.
it looks like my "best bet" . . . . and to think, i actually had it in my hands.
. . . . but the game i returned it for, SW - JKII:JO is a very good game (and long too) . . . . the only thing i really did NOT like was that you automatically got your force power upgrade . . . . there was no specializing of skills . . . . i imagine KoTOR will offer (much) more customizability.i will also look into the updated gfx for System Shock 2
thanks, all
. . . . and now i "get it" WHY FPS fans are generally bored by RTS/RPG games . . . . i'll try and "force" myself.
:roll:
maybe you just prefer the more direct interactiveness of fps. i used to be a fps gamer but they bore the hell out of me now... even hl2 wasn't satisfying. now i play rpgs almost exclusively.
kotor is an awesome game with an amazing storyline but i'm not sure if you'll actually enjoy it. you just issue commands and the battles are fought for you based on some random number generator.
kotor is an awesome game with an amazing storyline but i'm not sure if you'll actually enjoy it. you just issue commands and the battles are fought for you based on some random number generator.
i'm not sure either . . . . but i DO love some elements of RPGs (and some SWs inc JKII:JO) . . . . who knows, but based on the comments in this (and other) thread it looks like KoTOR for $20 is my best bet . . . . along with an enhanced gfx SS2.
if i like it, i may resurrect this thread . . . . and/or buy KoTOR II.
. . . or forget all the RPG/RTS "nonsense" and look forward to STALKER, FEAR, Serious Sam II. etc.
:roll:
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LOL! BrilliantOriginally posted by: apoppin
. . . . and now i "get it" WHY FPS fans are generally bored by RTS/RPG games . . . . i'll try and "force" myself.
And yes, KOTOR lets you control what you upgrade/enhance much better. You can get into diversions from the main plot to amuse yourself too. Like become a gladiator of sorts, or race shat. I was completely turned off by most titles in the genre other than Diablo2 but KOTOR got me interested again.Geez..you have to maintain a certain graphical level? Then DON'T PLAY. People are giving you older games that are great and a blast to play but you instead won't touch them due to what they look like. That is HORRIBLE. No offense, but not every game has to push your rig. I wouldn't consider you much of a gamer to be honest. Using your logic you won't play Halflife, Age of Empires 2, starcraft and the many other great PC classics that exist. Do you ever play "console" games or are they too primitive? There are SOOOO many great and wonderful games out there that are OLDER. Hell I can't bring my psx here with me so instead i play my games on emulators despite the fact that i have slowdown and whatnot. I mean even games for the SNES i play because they are soooo fun~ Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Tetris World, etc. etc.
To ask for a certain graphical level is ridiculous. Why don't you sit down, listen to the advice that people are trying to give you and PLAY the game. THe graphics may get to you in the beginning, but play for a whlie and you realize how engrossing everything else is, and how graphics isn't the thing to complain about. I'm not trying to insult you or anything...but in the end games are meant to be FUN. If the graphics aren't the best, SO WHAT. If UT2k4 wasn't fun to play, no one would care how it looks! Graphics can make things BETTER, but they can't make a game WORSE. I can't beleive you 'hesitate play System Shock 2 beceause of the "old engine".....
To ask for a certain graphical level is ridiculous. Why don't you sit down, listen to the advice that people are trying to give you and PLAY the game. THe graphics may get to you in the beginning, but play for a whlie and you realize how engrossing everything else is, and how graphics isn't the thing to complain about. I'm not trying to insult you or anything...but in the end games are meant to be FUN. If the graphics aren't the best, SO WHAT. If UT2k4 wasn't fun to play, no one would care how it looks! Graphics can make things BETTER, but they can't make a game WORSE. I can't beleive you 'hesitate play System Shock 2 beceause of the "old engine".....
No i never play console games (not since Genesis).
i do listen to the reasonable advice given - not yours, of course since you HAVE managed to insult me.
:roll:
i guess my "standards" are different than yours . . . . try to understand that not everyone cares to look at things that you do . . . do you still play Pong?
i am going to play SS2 . . . by asking, i got a UPDATED engine (or so i think, the link doesn't seem to lead anywhere). . . . . and definitely KoTOR.
By NO, i won't go back and play HL or Thief . . . . i find the gfx "distracting" . . . . and i personally prefer games to be at a minimum of QIII's gfx level . . . . i did not spend hundreds of $$ on Hardware to play ancient games - even if they were/are "great" - when there are SO MANY newer great games.
you are missing out on a lot of good games by focusing on graphics too much. but I guess it can't be helped if you feel that away. personally I was still able to play and enjoy SNES RPGs after games like ut2k3 and the likes
though you don't have to worry about KOTOR in that department the game is beautiful
though you don't have to worry about KOTOR in that department
the game is beautiful
Originally posted by: dighn
you are missing out on a lot of good games by focusing on graphics too much. but I guess it can't be helped if you feel that away. personally I was still able to play and enjoy SNES RPGs after games like ut2k3 and the likes
though you don't have to worry about KOTOR in that department
You may be right . . . . but then i believe in moving forward . . . . the truely great games of the past will be "recycled" one way or another . . . .
Since i am just a "n00b" to RPGs, i want every advantage i can give myself (remember i have been easily bored in the past) . . . and "good gfx" is critical to me for giving this type of game "a chance".
i love to "expand" past FPS . . . . who knows? . . . . maybe KOToR II . . . .
maybe not
(but you can be sure i'll let you know)
thanks for all your suggestions
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I must be in the minority then. I enjoy playing all types of games, and with practice I can be real good at most of them.
RTS's are my forte though, as I have a pretty detail oriented way of playing. Not so plodding that I blow hardcore at shooters though.
RTS's are my forte though, as I have a pretty detail oriented way of playing. Not so plodding that I blow hardcore at shooters though.
awesome!!!!
thanks!
i WILL try SS2
(a new EB Games just opened in PS today . . . . i'll check there 1st)
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I love MMORPG's that have good crafting systems. Horizons is a GREAT game... in theory. But the game was poorly written and performance seems to scale downward with better hardware... the servers are junk, I'd be surprised if they had 90% uptime... the employees working on the game seemed to be more concerned with adding content than fixing bugs to allow you to use content that's arleady there.
I like games with an economy... and games where the senior players can't dominate the game.
I like games with an economy... and games where the senior players can't dominate the game.
OK . . .. just bought KOToR (1), patched it, set all the gfx options to highest (inc 4xA/8xAF at 10x7) and loaded it up . . .
then i looked at the manual . . . .
SEVENTY (70) pages of "instructions"
:shocked:
and i am thinking WTF have i gotten into?
:roll:
Then i load it up and start to "play" and get into endless tutorials . . . . i start to "fight" and realize i can only stand there, 'click' on the enemy and WAIT . . . . "moving" cancels the fight action . . .so the computer determines how much damage the enemy and i take.
so UNLIKE a FPS . . . .
ANYWAY, i promised this a "fair chance" . . . . but it ain't starting great.
BTW, gfx aint half bad . . . . kinda like a Q3 engine game . . . . too bad KOToR II hasn't improved it's gfx engine in the last 3 years . . . . still nothing like the latest FPSes.
then i looked at the manual . . . .
SEVENTY (70) pages of "instructions"
:shocked:
and i am thinking WTF have i gotten into?
:roll:
Then i load it up and start to "play" and get into endless tutorials . . . . i start to "fight" and realize i can only stand there, 'click' on the enemy and WAIT . . . . "moving" cancels the fight action . . .so the computer determines how much damage the enemy and i take.
so UNLIKE a FPS . . . .
ANYWAY, i promised this a "fair chance" . . . . but it ain't starting great.
BTW, gfx aint half bad . . . . kinda like a Q3 engine game . . . . too bad KOToR II hasn't improved it's gfx engine in the last 3 years . . . . still nothing like the latest FPSes.
That's why malak is contemptuous of RPGs -- combat is not user controlled based on hand-eye coordination and reflexes, it's based on the attributes of your characters and their opponents, and resolved by the computer.
The tactical skills used in a RPG involve issuing the proper orders, and planning the use of special abilities or attacks of your party, which is much less adrenaline-fueled and not as satisfying to an FPS junky used to controlling combat more directly.
The other part of tactics and strategy happens before the battle starts, in deciding how to equip your character and how to increase your character's stats. Some people enjoy this for its own sake, some people find it annoying.
It's just a different kind of game -- if you play Bejewled you don't fire at the jewels to vaporize them, and in Monopoly you don't pilot your little car or shoe to land on or avoid a property.
The tactical skills used in a RPG involve issuing the proper orders, and planning the use of special abilities or attacks of your party, which is much less adrenaline-fueled and not as satisfying to an FPS junky used to controlling combat more directly.
The other part of tactics and strategy happens before the battle starts, in deciding how to equip your character and how to increase your character's stats. Some people enjoy this for its own sake, some people find it annoying.
It's just a different kind of game -- if you play Bejewled you don't fire at the jewels to vaporize them, and in Monopoly you don't pilot your little car or shoe to land on or avoid a property.
I hated kotor. It felt like I was over someone's shoulder telling them "shoot that guy" "use that gun." It didn't even feel like I was playing, and I was bored out of my mind.
i really enjoyed this - my own - thread.
until now, i really never quite understood what excited some people about RPGs that bored others (me). . . . .
[and of course there are the flight-sim "gamers". . . . i wouldn't touch a flight sim unless i was going to actually fly the machine] . . . . never cared to understand that "attraction" :roll:
your descriptions of each type of game is excellent . . . .
and i like live "action"
(but am also a good chess player)
i am going to try and "stick with" KOToR to see if i can broaden my gaming a bit; i really liked SW-JKII:JO and KOToR is a very well-respected RPG . . . .
. . . . if not, it was only $20 and you'll soon see my copy on FS/T
:roll:
In the meantime, if you can suggest more good FPS games with elements of RPG besides DE and SS2 (i am still looking out for a copy of SS2) . . . . . please do.
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Do you like ANY RPGs?
How far did you get? finish kotor?
One reason I enjoy playing a RPG is because the combat is low-stress, aka boring
After a long day in the code mines I don't always have enough andrenaline left for something intense like UT2K4 or a single-player FPS. The RPG is slower-paced, more relaxing.
You might try playing KOTOR after tiring yourself out a bit by playing an FPS first
After a long day in the code mines I don't always have enough andrenaline left for something intense like UT2K4 or a single-player FPS. The RPG is slower-paced, more relaxing.
You might try playing KOTOR after tiring yourself out a bit by playing an FPS first
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
One reason I enjoy playing a RPG is because the combat is low-stress, aka boring
After a long day in the code mines I don't always have enough andrenaline left for something intense like UT2K4 or a single-player FPS. The RPG is slower-paced, more relaxing.
You might try playing KOTOR after tiring yourself out a bit by playing an FPS first
interesting . . . .
my work is completely different . . . . outdoors . . . . i find the adrenaline rush of the FPSes "relaxing".
But i WILL put some major effort into kotor . . . . i realize it's gonna take time. . . . the learning curve is a bit steep and the start much slower than FPSes . . . . but since i now understand the differences, i can look to subtlies of plot and story and tactics. . . .
i may resurrect this thread when i really know what i think about KOToR . . . .
thanks for your suggestions :thumbsup:
I recently replayed Baldurs gate: dark alliance 1 and 2 for the xbox.. i had forgotten how fun i had those yrs before when i played them.. good hack n slash with rpg elements in it
Do you like ANY RPGs?
How far did you get? finish kotor?[/quote]
Hell no. After "shooting" the first two guys I wanted to quit. But my friend said it was so good so I gave it another hour. And then a half hour the next day. After that I promptly uninstalled the game.
I liked conker's bad fur day for N64 if that counts as an RPG. But past that... nope.
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