Why are conservative evangelicals allowed to lie so much?

[Phokus]

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

 

[polarmystery]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

Most religious type folk don't read their bibles. Hell I'm sure I've read the bible more than 90% of the people I know who go to church and practice christianity every day. But, ignorance is bliss and they aren't going to sacrifice happiness for truth, sadly.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

God did it

Oh wait... we're not talking about BSG's writers are we?

 

[Robor]

When they lie it's ok. When you lie it's a sin. See the difference?

 

[OCGuy]

Plan to help the economy:

Take away the tax-exempt status off all these meth-loving in the closet mega-church ministers and their organizations.

 

[racolvin]

While I can see *why* they would lie, what I don't understand is how they think they can get away with it easily. I mean with damn near every word they say, especially the leaders like Warren, being recorded either audio, video, or both, they can't really claim "oh golly I never said that" when the recording exists to prove it.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

keep grasping. Your bigotry needs an outlet.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

keep grasping. Your bigotry needs an outlet.

Are you serious - grasping at what?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

keep grasping. Your bigotry needs an outlet.

Are you serious - grasping at what?

Yes, let's just ignore the fact Phokus attempts to paint an entire group based on the actions of just one person. Hmmm, using that (lack of) logic, all Democrats are convicted felons guilty of sexual assault and abuse of a minor, just because one (Mel Reynolds of Illinois) was found guilty of those actions! Sure, that makes loads of sense. :roll:

Phokus, the village idiot, trolling again.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

keep grasping. Your bigotry needs an outlet.

Are you serious - grasping at what?

Yes, let's just ignore the fact Phokus attempts to paint an entire group based on the actions of just one person. Hmmm, using that (lack of) logic, all Democrats are convicted felons guilty of sexual assault and abuse of a minor, just because one (Mel Reynolds of Illinois) was found guilty of those actions! Sure, that makes loads of sense. :roll:

Phokus, the village idiot, trolling again.

Yes, he is, but he is humorous provided you know he hates anyone who believes with a purpose. It is sad in a way when one goes through life not able to believe in something larger than oneself even if it does not have to be God. Perhaps that is why he is so enamored of Obama or perhaps why he has such hatred for religion.

In any event, he can do no harm to those who do have a purpose more than self fulfillment. I am no evangelical by any means, but understand why someone like a Phokus must have something to hate.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

keep grasping. Your bigotry needs an outlet.

Are you serious - grasping at what?

Yes, let's just ignore the fact Phokus attempts to paint an entire group based on the actions of just one person. Hmmm, using that (lack of) logic, all Democrats are convicted felons guilty of sexual assault and abuse of a minor, just because one (Mel Reynolds of Illinois) was found guilty of those actions! Sure, that makes loads of sense. :roll:

Phokus, the village idiot, trolling again.

Well I would say it seems indigenous to conservatives.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The bigotry is strong with this one. Pathetic.

 

[AreaCode707]

Because any private citizen is allowed to lie as much as they want in most circumstances with no penalty other than the social, and that social penalty is usually imposed by the conservative evangelicals. Pretty much everybody else just shrugs and ignores the behavior of others unless it directly impacts them.

Kinda funny how that comes around...

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Why do liberals lie so much?

 

[Illusio]

Everybody lies. No one is perfect.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Why do liberals lie so much?

No no, why are liberals ALLOWED to lie so much? The allowed is absolutely crucial because, y'know, there's somebody out there that decides who's allowed to lie and who isn't.

 

[Illusio]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Plan to help the economy:

Take away the tax-exempt status off all these meth-loving in the closet mega-church ministers and their organizations.

:roll:
So you'd prefer if churches got government funding like lots of other organizations out there? Great plan there...I'll keep my government and religion separate thank you very much.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Dark Jedi

Originally posted by: OCguy
Plan to help the economy:

Take away the tax-exempt status off all these meth-loving in the closet mega-church ministers and their organizations.

:roll:
So you'd prefer if churches got government funding like lots of other organizations out there? Great plan there...I'll keep my government and religion separate thank you very much.

Really?


Heres a hint: The government and religion are very intertwined. I just want a piece of all of the income these up and coming mega-churches are getting.

Believing in a magic man in the sky should not preclude you from paying your "fair share", as the liberals would put it.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rick Warren goes on national TV and lies through his teeth; via Americablog, here's Warren, speaking to Larry King:

"I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe."

Oh, okay. He was misunderstood ... it just sounded like he equated it with pedophilia and incest:

"Steven Waldman: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for Proposition 8 in California. [...]

Rick Warren: Not a problem to me. But the issue to me is, I?m not opposed to that as much as I?m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I?m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I?m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I?m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do."

Don't you hate it when people try to put words in your mouth?

Warren also claimed that:

"I never once went to a meeting, I never once issued a statement, I never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that I actually believe that marriage is really should be defined, that definition should be say between a man and a woman, and then all of a sudden out of it they made me something that I really wasn't."

Apparently some people "equated" this public service announcement with a statement and an endorsement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

I'm 100% positive that conservative evangelicals don't read the bible... it's not like the 10 commandments say you shouldn't lie or anything.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...ms-Hes-Not-A-Homophobe

keep grasping. Your bigotry needs an outlet.

Are you serious - grasping at what?

Yes, let's just ignore the fact Phokus attempts to paint an entire group based on the actions of just one person. Hmmm, using that (lack of) logic, all Democrats are convicted felons guilty of sexual assault and abuse of a minor, just because one (Mel Reynolds of Illinois) was found guilty of those actions! Sure, that makes loads of sense. :roll:

Phokus, the village idiot, trolling again.

Well I would say it seems indigenous to conservatives.

They teach you those hard SAT words at UCSD?

 

[Illusio]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Dark Jedi

Originally posted by: OCguy
Plan to help the economy:

Take away the tax-exempt status off all these meth-loving in the closet mega-church ministers and their organizations.

:roll:
So you'd prefer if churches got government funding like lots of other organizations out there? Great plan there...I'll keep my government and religion separate thank you very much.

Really?


Heres a hint: The government and religion are very intertwined. I just want a piece of all of the income these up and coming mega-churches are getting.

Believing in a magic man in the sky should not preclude you from paying your "fair share", as the liberals would put it.

The government might be letting churches use funds for...CHARITY work!!!! OMG!! run for the hills. </sarcasm>

There are safeguards to FBI such as (Stolen from wikipedia) :
* They may not use direct government funds to support inherently religious activities such as prayer, worship, religious instruction, or proselytization.
* Any inherently religious activities that the organizations may offer must be offered separately in time or location from services that receive federal assistance.
* FBOs cannot discriminate on the basis of religion when providing services (GAO 2006:13[3]).

 

[daniel49]

Being that Phokus has never sinned he has the authority to cast the first stone.
Jn 8:7

 

[Phokus]

I just find it funny that one of the most important leaders in the evangelical movement is allowed to get away with lying and no other conservative leader will call him out on his sin.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Dark Jedi

Originally posted by: OCguy
Plan to help the economy:

Take away the tax-exempt status off all these meth-loving in the closet mega-church ministers and their organizations.

:roll:
So you'd prefer if churches got government funding like lots of other organizations out there? Great plan there...I'll keep my government and religion separate thank you very much.

I think... At least I hope he meant that they lose their tax exempt status so we collect taxes from them... They are in fact a business.

What makes you think they would get govt funding? Removing tax exempt status does not equal getting govt. funding.

 

[heyheybooboo]

"Lie" is such a strong word. I prefer something like, "The Devil led them astray" and caused a temporary blackout on the truth.

This could be easily remedied with my custom No Evil Oil.

We pray over my NEO for 17 days. It's guaranteed. Make checks payable to me.

For those on a more direct path to damnation we offer women's panties that have been soiled for 17 days.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Dark Jedi

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Dark Jedi

Originally posted by: OCguy
Plan to help the economy:

Take away the tax-exempt status off all these meth-loving in the closet mega-church ministers and their organizations.

:roll:
So you'd prefer if churches got government funding like lots of other organizations out there? Great plan there...I'll keep my government and religion separate thank you very much.

Really?


Heres a hint: The government and religion are very intertwined. I just want a piece of all of the income these up and coming mega-churches are getting.

Believing in a magic man in the sky should not preclude you from paying your "fair share", as the liberals would put it.

The government might be letting churches use funds for...CHARITY work!!!! OMG!! run for the hills. </sarcasm>

There are safeguards to FBI such as (Stolen from wikipedia) :
* They may not use direct government funds to support inherently religious activities such as prayer, worship, religious instruction, or proselytization.
* Any inherently religious activities that the organizations may offer must be offered separately in time or location from services that receive federal assistance.
* FBOs cannot discriminate on the basis of religion when providing services (GAO 2006:13[3]).

Charity work.... that's what they must call it these days when they use their untaxed income to buy multiple homes and cars. I have seen many pastors guilty of this.

Back to the OP...

I went with my cousin to the youth night at Rick Warrens church (Saddleback). Not only did the pastor admit to having a problem with masturbation in his marriage (due to never having sex until he was 28 obviously), he also said this:

"If you are struggling with urges of attraction to the same sex, please let us help you! This problem is curable!"

I promptly left in disgust.