Who Won the Debate?

[spidey07]

Lulz...

 

[SergeC]

Definitely not Lehrer. He completely failed to keep wither of them within the time allotted.

 

[lowrider69]

Yes, Romney played a really strong politician. A politician is suppossed to be loose on the anwsers to not be pinned to any speciifc stance.

Kind of like fortune tellers saying things about you/your past/future. They tell you a very vague generic thing that can be matched by 90%+ of people out there, because the human mind can fill in the blanks of it best correlates to them.

In other words, acting the part.

 

[monovillage]

I think the Romney strategy worked well - keep trying to say that certain issues should be decided by the states, and avoid as many real answers as possible; just attack what's happened over the past 4 years, often using dubious figures. On the issue of government regulations - rather than saying what I believe he wants - fewer regulations, he basically said "regulations are good. Some need to be eliminated, we need some new ones, and some are outdated." No shit, Romney. Now, answer the question.

What was the question you wanted him to answer?

 

[dank69]

Not in front of 60+ million people, I'm perfectly aware of how he stumbles off-message but this was the first time a lot of people who normally get their Obama fully filtered saw it for themselves.

Do you think Obama has never been in a nationally televised debate before? Is that what you are saying here?

 

[irishScott]

Yeah, and it's funny how in the "liberal biased media," even MSN, literally every single pundit I saw, and I listened to many across different channels, declared Romney the winner. Yet in 2008, when the general public thought Obama won his debates with McCain, Fox News pundits said McCain won it. That should tell us something right there about who is biased.

Let them gloat for now. Their candidate did well last night.

You can be bias and still ackowledge that 1+1=2. The fact that they admitted the obvious doesn't make them any less bias than they already are.

 

[dank69]

You can be bias and still ackowledge that 1+1=2. The fact that they admitted the obvious doesn't make them any less bias.

Except that fox news didn't admit 1+1=2 in 2008, now did they?

 

[irishScott]

Except that fox news didn't admit 1+1=2 in 2008, now did they?

Never said they were any better. Comparing two types of apples doesn't make one an orange.

 

[jackstar7]

Biases aside, given how the debates went last night, do you really doubt what I said?

Romney did one very important thing last night; he managed to PRESENT himself as being a lot more Presidential than the President.

Presentation is key folks.. In times of difficulty, people look to men with alpha male qualities, rather than those that appear weak and confused as Obama did that night.

I disagree that Romney presented as presidential. I think he came off as the better politician, but he didn't show any signs of being a statesman.

He won the debate, but I don't think he presented himself as a credible candidate for POTUS. Specifics and conviction would have helped him in this regard.

 

[lotus503]

I disagree that Romney presented as presidential. I think he came off as the better politician, but he didn't show any signs of being a statesman.

He won the debate, but I don't think he presented himself as a credible candidate for POTUS. Specifics and conviction would have helped him in this regard.

I think he won the debate as well, he was more polished was more streamlined. Issue is did the content of what he said resonate with anyone not already voting for him?

I dont think either Mitt or Obama won or lost anyone because of the debate.

 

[dank69]

Never said they were any better. Comparing two types of apples doesn't make one an orange.

You said:

You can be bias and still ackowledge that 1+1=2. The fact that they admitted the obvious doesn't make them any less bias.

We are speaking about magnitude. Two apples are still both apples even if one is rotten. That deosn't automatically mean both are rotten. You are fighting against clearly documented trends at this point. Not sure why you can't admit that the right tends to let their bias cloud their judgment in a much more significant amount.

 

[chucky2]

I disagree that Romney presented as presidential. I think he came off as the better politician, but he didn't show any signs of being a statesman.

He won the debate, but I don't think he presented himself as a credible candidate for POTUS. Specifics and conviction would have helped him in this regard.

What are you talking about? The '08 elections didn't need that (Hope n Change!), neither does this one - or the ones we'll have in the future.

 

[spidey07]

The reason fox said McCain back then was because it was pretty close.

This wasn't even close, it was one of the most historic debate beatdowns in history. It was historic.

 

[dank69]

I think he won the debate as well, he was more polished was more streamlined. Issue is did the content of what he said resonate with anyone not already voting for him?

I dont think either Mitt or Obama won or lost anyone because of the debate.

I have a feeling the polls will say otherwise. Hopefully not permanent damage, but even if Obama kills it with the foreign policy debate, most Americans really don't give two shits about foreign policy at this point in time other than maybe ending the wars, but even that is second fiddle to the economy.

 

[IGBT]

your obama lost because his ideas and policies don't cut it. When Jim Leher tried to throw the obama a life line the romney hog tied Leher with his own rope. The Democrat party would have been better off with the empty chair.

 

[jman19]

The reason fox said McCain back then was because it was pretty close.

This wasn't even close, it was one of the most historic debate beatdowns in history. It was historic.

While I definitely think Romney came off better in this debate, by what measure was this "historic?" Or just more hyperbole?

Overall, I thought the debate was awful for Americans. Obama came off as disjointed and unclear, trying to convince people that he'll get it right this time... Romney was a lot more straight forward and decisive - but the content of his words were still hollow and overly simplistic - nothing new there.

If anything the debate is pushing me to vote for a non-Rep / Dem.

 

[airdata]

I didn't watch it because both guys are backed by the same corporations and will continue on the same path.

People getting too involved in my team vs your team debates really need to re-evaluate everything they think they know.

 

[spidey07]

I didn't watch it because both guys are backed by the same corporations and will continue on the same path.

People getting too involved in my team vs your team debates really need to re-evaluate everything they think they know.

Ba, ba, banksters! Occupy will rise again!

 

[airdata]

your obama lost because his ideas and policies don't cut it. When Jim Leher tried to throw the obama a life line the romney hog tied Leher with his own rope. The Democrat party would have been better off with the empty chair.

Having a decrepit old man like that proctor the debate is also laughable. That guy probably doesn't even get on the internet.

 

[lotus503]

I have a feeling the polls will say otherwise. Hopefully not permanent damage, but even if Obama kills it with the foreign policy debate, most Americans really don't give two shits about foreign policy at this point in time other than maybe ending the wars, but even that is second fiddle to the economy.

I agree I think Mitt will see a poll bump for sure, but I suspect as the %47 video comments wore off he would have seen that anyway.

My overall takeaway was that America is fucked, this is the best we can do, these two clowns.

 

[irishScott]

You said:
We are speaking about magnitude. Two apples are still both apples even if one is rotten. That deosn't automatically mean both are rotten. You are fighting against clearly documented trends at this point. Not sure why you can't admit that the right tends to let their bias cloud their judgment in a much more significant amount.

You misunderstand me. I meant "any less bias than they already are." Woolfe implied that the left side of the media is somehow unbiased based on the fact that they admitted Romney won.

I have no issue saying that Fox News is more bias than almost any single one of their peers, but given the collective bias of all other mainstream networks, they have to compensate somehow. 😉

 

[spidey07]

I agree I think Mitt will see a poll bump for sure, but I suspect as the %47 video comments wore off he would have seen that anyway.

My overall takeaway was that America is fucked, this is the best we can do, these two clowns.

It's only because of Obama that everything is so fucked right now. Removing him is the first step to get the country back on track. We've seen this before with Carter, it's the exact same, following the same path and misery was at an all time high. Just like now.

The solution is simple. Get rid of fuckstain in office and we'll get back on track immediately. You saw what this president really is last night, that's how the rest of the world leaders view him as well.

A whooped, meak, mangy dog.

 

[OrByte]

Yeah, and it's funny how in the "liberal biased media," even MSN, literally every single pundit I saw, and I listened to many across different channels, declared Romney the winner. Yet in 2008, when the general public thought Obama won his debates with McCain, Fox News pundits said McCain won it. That should tell us something right there about who is biased.

Let them gloat for now. Their candidate did well last night.

Yes I didn't see this "Liberal News Media" last night nor this morning in the print news.

Everyone saw it the same way last night. Romney put on a show and Obama looked listless.

I have a real problem with Romney not owning his tax plans and tax ideas. I almost spit out my tea when he was saying how he wasn't going to "cut taxes" but that he was going to "lower rates"

that is just snake oil salesmen stuff imo.

 

[airdata]

Ba, ba, banksters! Occupy will rise again!

*sigh*

Spidey, you're such a fucking tool.

Notice how your post has absolutely no content at all... it's because you're a fucking idiot and you have nothing to contribute to this forum at all.

I'm not sure why I waste my time posting since you seem to genuinely lack the ability to comprehend even the most simplest of terms laid out for you.

 

[quest55720]

I am not voting for either guy. But romney won Obama was to passive and played prevent defense the whole time. Watching MSNBC after the debate I would of thought the zombie Apocalypse had started. I thought Mathews was going to first cry then have a heart attack. If the people at MSNBC thought Obama got his ass kicked it must of been a beat down. They did not even try to spin it at all but went strait to meltdown mode.

Not like it matters Obama still has this in the bag. To little to late by Romney.