Who will liberals blame if Trump wins the election.

[buckshot24]

It's dangerously evil to believe that homosexuality is sinful and you will be condemned to hell for it.

Where do you get the idea of hell from? Did the god you invent tell you?

 

[Jhhnn]

So these chicks filed a complaint because of? Not baking the cake.
I'm not claiming persecution! You call not baking a cake persecution and anybody who disagrees with you is wrong. That isn't a rational position to hold. I don't consider not getting a wedding cake made by a specific baker as persecution.

I don't think people should be in jail for acting on their homosexual desires so please quit trying to lump me in with others who may have. That is a dishonest debating tactic.

I see it in terms of common decency & the law. As a society, we have determined that people have civil rights that overrule the personal beliefs of retail business owners. We must all be served in the same fashion regardless of a lot of things, sexual preference being just one of them. If you won't do that you're in violation of the law, period. Such laws are rooted in decency & in the will of the people.

Think as you will, but treat the rest of us with the respect we offer to each other & rightfully demand from everybody, even bigots.

 

[Moonbeam]

The same people who are well known to vote against their self interest time and again, to the point where their life expectancy is starting to decline.

True. If my life expectancy is going down the tubes then I want to take everybody else with me. That's how self hate works. The monster of the ID is loose.

 

[buckshot24]

I see it in terms of common decency & the law. As a society, we have determined that people have civil rights that overrule the personal beliefs of retail business owners. We must all be served in the same fashion regardless of a lot of things, sexual preference being just one of them. If you won't do that you're in violation of the law, period. Such laws are rooted in decency & in the will of the people.

Think as you will, but treat the rest of us with the respect we offer to each other & rightfully demand from everybody, even bigots.

Don't you think people who disagree with you, politically, are stupid or insane? Try treating conservatives with respect for once.

 

[Moonbeam]

Where do you get the idea of hell from? Did the god you invent tell you?

Woe unto you, sinner, that you mock the law of God. Hellfire awaits you. You will know yourself as the hypocrite and sinner you see in as evil in Gods perfect creation. No one is a homosexual by his own hand but by Gods command. You spit in Gods face because you worship the devil.

 

[Moonbeam]

Don't you think people who disagree with you, politically, are stupid or insane? Try treating conservatives with respect for once.

You are free to hold God's creation as evil like the sinner you are, but don't expect me to respect you for it. Get behind me, foul demon is Satin.

 

[buckshot24]

Woe unto you, sinner, that you mock the law of God. Hellfire awaits you. You will know yourself as the hypocrite and sinner you see in as evil in Gods perfect creation. No one is a homosexual by his own hand but by Gods command. You spit in Gods face because you worship the devil.

I don't recognize that.

 

[buckshot24]

You are free to hold God's creation as evil like the sinner you are, but don't expect me to respect you for it. Get behind me, foul demon is Satin.

I wasn't talking to you. I don't expect anything from you.

 

[Jhhnn]

Don't you think people who disagree with you, politically, are stupid or insane? Try treating conservatives with respect for once.

Still dodging, obviously. As I pointed out earlier, nobody is completely rational. I'm certainly not, but it's something I try to be when it comes to politics. There's way, way too much emotionally appealing nonsense out there to not be wary of being blindsided by it. People will instantly believe in something they haven't thought about at all because they feel good doing it. Having come to believe, some will invest heavily & defend such belief in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's the dark side of loyalty.

There's a whole complex of such beliefs held by conservatives to some degree or another. As I said earlier, people are free to believe what they want. It's just too bad that conservatives often believe first & then cast about for evidence in support rather than vice versa. They're often outraged by the temerity of anybody who has the intellectual courage to figure it out better than their emotions will allow them to do.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Looks pretty close to Lee Atwater, if it isn't

Ben's a *much* better looking guy. And he and Robert Vaughn apparently invaded Czechoslovakia in the late 60's so, all in all, a much cooler guy as well. :biggrin:

 

[Moonbeam]

I wasn't talking to you. I don't expect anything from you.

But you have called down on yourself a lake of fire because you raise your hand against the will of God. You have arrogantly spouted the hatred of Satin who taught you that gays are evil and you think to walk away unscathed. You are on a path to doom, you filthy thing.

 

[buckshot24]

But you have called down on yourself a lake of fire because you raise your hand against the will of God. You have arrogantly spouted the hatred of Satin who taught you that gays are evil and you think to walk away unscathed. You are on a path to doom, you filthy thing.

I realize you're trolling me but I don't believe gays are evil at least any more so than anybody else.

 

[buckshot24]

Still dodging, obviously. As I pointed out earlier, nobody is completely rational. I'm certainly not, but it's something I try to be when it comes to politics. There's way, way too much emotionally appealing nonsense out there to not be wary of being blindsided by it. People will instantly believe in something they haven't thought about at all because they feel good doing it. Having come to believe, some will invest heavily & defend such belief in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's the dark side of loyalty.

There's a whole complex of such beliefs held by conservatives to some degree or another. As I said earlier, people are free to believe what they want. It's just too bad that conservatives often believe first & then cast about for evidence in support rather than vice versa. They're often outraged by the temerity of anybody who has the intellectual courage to figure it out better than their emotions will allow them to do.

Do you mean that if a person holds conservative views they aren't being rational and are being emotional?

 

[Perknose]

I don't have a problem with "gays". They are free to act as sinfully as they want as all of us are.

You are fooling on one. Post after post after post from you shows that you have an ugly, unrelenting and unhealthy OBSESSION with gays. You are one quivering slimeball of hate. The bigger the front, the bigger the back . . .

 

[Painman]

The same people who are well known to vote against their self interest time and again, to the point where their life expectancy is starting to decline.

True. If my life expectancy is going down the tubes then I want to take everybody else with me. That's how self hate works. The monster of the ID is loose.

In a zero sum game, someone has to lose out. Usually the group who happens to be politically unpopular at the time.

It should come as no surprise that "crabbiness" ensues.

 

[boomerang]

If Trump wins and I were a liberal/progressive that was honest with myself I would blame Obama. You know, the head of the Democratic Party for the last eight years? The man that set the agenda for the party and made it all happen?

It would be a tough road, a bitter pill to swallow and would entail real, truthful examination of the stats surrounding the last eight years. It would mean casting off falsified stats on the economy, job growth and unemployment among others. It would take an unbiased look at our mounting debt that has increased at a rate unheard of since the inception of the nation. It would take looking at an administration that chose to lie and sensationalize its accomplishments to bolster its image while aggressively pursuing social issues at the expense of issues that would benefit all the people of the nation. It would take looking carefully at the degree of the effects of executive orders instead of proclaiming that others did things through executive order too. It would mean understanding that race relations have been set back decades under this administration. An administration that vastly widened the divide between races and genders in an attempt to then make it all better and come out on some moral high-ground but failed and only made it worse.

You place the blame where it is due. That's either on Obama or yourself if you voted for him. Pick whichever keeps you most firmly in your safe space.

 

[Jhhnn]

If Trump wins and I were a liberal/progressive that was honest with myself I would blame Obama. You know, the head of the Democratic Party for the last eight years? The man that set the agenda for the party and made it all happen?

It would be a tough road, a bitter pill to swallow and would entail real, truthful examination of the stats surrounding the last eight years. It would mean casting off falsified stats on the economy, job growth and unemployment among others. It would take an unbiased look at our mounting debt that has increased at a rate unheard of since the inception of the nation. It would take looking at an administration that chose to lie and sensationalize its accomplishments to bolster its image while aggressively pursuing social issues at the expense of issues that would benefit all the people of the nation. It would take looking carefully at the degree of the effects of executive orders instead of proclaiming that others did things through executive order too. It would mean understanding that race relations have been set back decades under this administration. An administration that vastly widened the divide between races and genders in an attempt to then make it all better and come out on some moral high-ground but failed and only made it worse.

You place the blame where it is due. That's either on Obama or yourself if you voted for him. Pick whichever keeps you most firmly in your safe space.

It wouldn't mean any of that. It would just mean that my fellow Americans have been duped again. Some of them, culture warriors like you, have been duped all along. Cuz Murica.

 

[fskimospy]

If Trump wins and I were a liberal/progressive that was honest with myself I would blame Obama. You know, the head of the Democratic Party for the last eight years? The man that set the agenda for the party and made it all happen?

It would be a tough road, a bitter pill to swallow and would entail real, truthful examination of the stats surrounding the last eight years. It would mean casting off falsified stats on the economy, job growth and unemployment among others. It would take an unbiased look at our mounting debt that has increased at a rate unheard of since the inception of the nation. It would take looking at an administration that chose to lie and sensationalize its accomplishments to bolster its image while aggressively pursuing social issues at the expense of issues that would benefit all the people of the nation. It would take looking carefully at the degree of the effects of executive orders instead of proclaiming that others did things through executive order too. It would mean understanding that race relations have been set back decades under this administration. An administration that vastly widened the divide between races and genders in an attempt to then make it all better and come out on some moral high-ground but failed and only made it worse.

You place the blame where it is due. That's either on Obama or yourself if you voted for him. Pick whichever keeps you most firmly in your safe space.

All the other crazy ranting aside is anyone even remotely surprised that boomerang is a Bureau of Labor Statistics truther?

 

[sportage]

As I predicted, the polls are moving in Trump's favor.
Trump "is" going to be the next president, like it or not and many do not but tough noogies.
You will have crossover from democrats, independents that would have supported Sanders, and I predict even the Bush family will come out publicly and support Donald in the end.

Frankly, Trump would beat both Hillary or Sanders, so for Sanders to succeed it really doesn't matter.

Trump appears just liberal enough to attract progressives not happy with Hillary, and disgruntled Sanders supporters once the DNC kicks Sanders to the curb.
And I expect a lot of outrage and violence at the democrat convention.

The thing with Trump, his unknowns are his strength.
No one really knows how he would run the country. But I know.
Trump if elected would be full on establishment far right wing republican.
Ted Cruz sitting on the US Supreme Court, and you can take that to the bank.
And a veto proof republican house and senate because, if people are voting for Trump they will simply check the "republican" box and flood republicans into house and senate seats.
This idea that democrats could or would retake the senate is completely delusional.

From here on out, Trump can only go up and Hillary can only go down.
And that doesn't factor in the Sanders supporters backlash against the DNC.
After the DNC convention, it will be impossible for Hillary to win. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

Republicans will absolutely morph into Trump fans, yes even Jeb.
Nothing will give Trump more of a boost just weeks before the election than when Jeb Bush pledges his support to Donald. Standing side by side, grinning their asses off.
This will happen.

Trump has that old black magic. He has the country under his spell. He might be a witch?
And face it... people want to see that wall built.
People want to see Muslims banned from entering the country. Yes Hillary, they do!
People want to see illegals rounded up and deported. You know they will be.
And people want laws changed. Laws that allow two illegals to come into this country, have a baby, a baby that is automatically given citizenship.
That will end, among many other perks allowed illegal aliens.
Walls, bans, deportation, you better believe it.

Millions of democrats will vote for Trump because of this, and I predict a 1972 Nixon-like nation-wide republican sweep on election night.
Red red red states and map from shore to shore.
Trump will go down in history sharing the election success of Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon.

Democrats will wring their hands and cry out in terror as Trump does the bidding of the extreme far right republican establishment with stacking the court(s) with religious fanatics, eliminating social security as we know it, killing off most environmental protection programs, privatizing the VA, killing off Obamacare and returning to full blown healthcare for profit plus kicking millions off their healthcare insurance, cutting education, restricting abortion to the point it would be in fact banned, and this is only the beginning.

However... regardless of all this... Donald Trump is going to win.
Because America is under his spell.

 

[shady28]

If Trump wins and I were a liberal/progressive that was honest with myself I would blame Obama. You know, the head of the Democratic Party for the last eight years? The man that set the agenda for the party and made it all happen?

It would be a tough road, a bitter pill to swallow and would entail real, truthful examination of the stats surrounding the last eight years. It would mean casting off falsified stats on the economy, job growth and unemployment among others. It would take an unbiased look at our mounting debt that has increased at a rate unheard of since the inception of the nation. It would take looking at an administration that chose to lie and sensationalize its accomplishments to bolster its image while aggressively pursuing social issues at the expense of issues that would benefit all the people of the nation. It would take looking carefully at the degree of the effects of executive orders instead of proclaiming that others did things through executive order too. It would mean understanding that race relations have been set back decades under this administration. An administration that vastly widened the divide between races and genders in an attempt to then make it all better and come out on some moral high-ground but failed and only made it worse.

You place the blame where it is due. That's either on Obama or yourself if you voted for him. Pick whichever keeps you most firmly in your safe space.

Excellent post.

 

[Jhhnn]

All the other crazy ranting aside is anyone even remotely surprised that boomerang is a Bureau of Labor Statistics truther?

He needs reasons to believe which he makes up as he goes along.

How can we improve race relations when minorities don't know their place, when one of them is President?

How can we grow the economy when the Jerb Creators are being taxed to death at the hands of the ebil gubmint?

How can we help all Americans when we concentrate on those who need it the most?

How far can we go to avoid questioning our own beliefs?

 

[Vic]

Excellent post.

Only if you happen to be gullible enough to actually believe that RWNJ propaganda on talk radio and the like.

 

[Vic]

All the other crazy ranting aside is anyone even remotely surprised that boomerang is a Bureau of Labor Statistics truther?

There's something creepily and malevolently authoritarian about believing that people who are voluntarily not in the workforce, like students, retirees, and stay at home moms, should be forced back into the workplace.

 

[HomerJS]

Poll: Who will conservatives blame if Hillary wins the election?

[ ] Media
[ ] Lamestream media
[ ] Biased liberal media
[ ] Rachel Maddow

GOP and Fox News have already started framing this narrative.

 

[Moonbeam]

. You place the blame where it is due. That's either on Obama or yourself if you voted for him. Pick whichever keeps you most firmly in your safe space.

You poor silly fool, you really don't see that it's you who hides from reality in your safe place, this delusional pile of horse shit you spout.

Just imagine for a second how hard it would be for you to accept that you are a brainwashed drone than it would be for liberals to see the same thing. The scientifically proven fact is that liberals are more honest than conservatives when it comes to a need to live in a bubble to avoide psychologically unpleasant facts. You, as a conservative, are accusing liberals of having a condition they are known not to have to the degree that conservatives do. This is called projection, imagining others have the very faults the projector sees in others. Do what you can to increase your capacity to bear psychological pain you pansy.