Who will Kamala pick as VP?

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raildogg

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Is Kamala a Zionist like Trump and many US politicians? We will see but she has to realize that the power structure of the US is very pro-Israel. She can only do so much, right?

If she picks Shapiro we will know she and Trump share the same views on this matter and US policy will remain the same towards Israel - total obedience to Israel.
 
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brycejones

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Is Kamala a Zionist like Trump and many US politicians? We will see but she has to realize that the power structure of the US is very pro-Israel. She can only do so much, right?

If she picks Shapiro we will know she and Trump share the same views on this matter and US policy will remain the same towards Israel - total obedience to Israel.
When it comes to the US election your opinion is meaningless.
 

yottabit

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Oh I agree and that's what I've maintained., has to pick a straight white male, simply because it can't be Pete. But there is still a little bit of that more naive young progressive me from over 20 years ago that still likes to dream inside.

I'm putting my money on Walz though.
I’ve done a 180 on Pete much like I did on Kamala. I think picking Pete would be great ragebait for some on the right to show their true colors. They are already having enough trouble restraining themselves from attacks on Kamala for being a woman, indian, and black. I don’t think being publicly anti-gay would work well for them in 2024 and I’m sure at minimum one or two reps would be bound to slip up. They’ll be lost grasping at straws trying to come up with attacks that don’t sound homophobic.

Pete is also the most photogenic IMO by a large margin and as others have pointed out is an excellent orator and debater.
 

raildogg

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Mayor Pete doesn't do good job where he goes. He was a bad mayor, not liked by the people.


"Mayor Pete’s McKinsey work does not seem to have pushed against the grain of the firm. It may have led to mass layoffs at Blue Cross Blue Shield and may also have prompted the firm to recommend layoffs at the US Post Office. Mayor Pete also worked on a McKinsey contract in Afghanistan exploring how best to extract and exploit that country’s natural resources; the project sounds deeply environmentally destructive and has also been criticized as a huge waste of US taxpayer dollars. He was strongly chastised for his initial refusal to disclose his client list or the exact nature of his work at McKinsey even by the editorial board of the New York Times. If he were merely a centrist boy-wonder rather than the corporate enemy of the public interest that he is, the Times would be his biggest fan. Buttigieg repeatedly cited the nondisclosure agreement he signed with the consultancy, signaling that he cared more about his loyalty to McKinsey and the corporate elite it represents than about his obligation to the public.

His attitude toward black voters and black leaders has also been jaw-droppingly disrespectful. Dogged by criticisms over his relationship to black communities in South Bend, he has struggled to attract any black support at all. His solution to this has been creative — disruptive, even. Some candidates would attempt talking to black voters, or even creating a better platform that might appeal to the middle and working classes to which most black voters belong. But these strategies are for plebes. Mayor Pete took the far more edgy strategy of simply making stuff up. As Ryan Grim reported in the Intercept, Buttigieg’s campaign recently published a list of South Carolinian “supporters” of his “Douglass Plan” for the “Empowerment of Black America.” But some of the prominent black leaders on it were not in fact supporters of Mayor Pete or even of his plan, nor had they agreed to join such a list."

But he is establishment, speaks good, etc.

Also, the black population of South Bend, where he was mayor, did not like him very much. His track record of a bad mayor is known. But as mentioned, he is establishment candidate, well connected, etc. So he keeps rising.

 
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ondma

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Seems like a pretty meaningless personal attack. What politician isn't "ambitious", usually to a fault? I generally like Fetterman, but come on man, whoever gets nominated for VP will have every action he ever took scrutinized under a microscope by the Reps. And if they cant find anything, they most likely will make something up. The Dems certainly don't need prominent members of their own party giving them quotes for soundbites.
 

RalphTheCow

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Fetterman is a real pita. I’m not sure if he has any redeeming feature other than not being Oz. He just seems like too loose of a cannon for my tastes.

This seems like the point of maximum hope, Once one is picked it feels like the world gets a little smaller. I can see Kelly being somewhat inspirational, Bashear seems like the freshest and cleanest. And Walz might be a good campaigner.
 
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5to1baby1in5

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I use the 'From' address in emails that make through Gmail's spam filter and enter those addresses into the WaPo sign-up form whenever I want to read an article. Random gcgh6h8@gmail.com addresses don't work for sign up, but those do.

Here's a gifted sign in email for the gifted article.🤣
aliyuissa081@gmail.com
Sorry, bah Washington Post has changed how gifted articles work, you have to make an account now & provide e-mail address to read gifted articles which is stupid (don't have to actually pay/subscribe)
 

K1052

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At this point I don't really care and just want the veepstakes to be over. Press is going batty reporting nothing day after day like it's breaking news. Soon they are going to be looking at their breakfast orders for hints.

My money is on Shapiro, Beshear, and Kelly likely in that order. Shapiro is the most electorally helpful and Beshear is charismatic plus well liked by important D consistencies. Online leftists are going to bitch and moan about Shapiro if its him but they aren't the voters who are going to decide this election. Anyway none of the available candidates are actually bad and certainly not JD Vance bad.
 

skyking

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I'm for Mayor Pete. People elect the headliner not the VP. I chose maximum competency and a leg up for the next cycle. Note how the repugs had nobody, I mean nobody to choose from. This is not a problem on the dem side. I liken him to a more progressive Obama administration, one that won't deal out as many dissapointments.
Every time you mention "but gay", you are doing us all a disservice. Hillary " but a woman and a Clinton " won the popular vote by 3 million. This was in spite of the October Surprise that cost the election, IMO.
Obama kicked ass in elections.
Quit sandbagging Pete for them. He is a great choice for 2028 if we can set it up.
My opinion is Harris is a shoe-in for what has always been a popularity contest. People are sick and tired of Trump's schtick, his time is up now.
 
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Stokely

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The only votes that really matter are swing votes in a place like PA--so I don't give a shit who she picks, but it needs to get her those thousands of votes or nothing else matters. If Mayor Pete gets her PA, great, she can't win without that state though even if she wins the popular vote by 30 million.

As far as Zionists and Israel and Gaza et al, since Trump will at least be worse on the issue, it's a non-issue for me when it comes to voting. If nobody is any better, then its a wash. It may not be a wash in a place like Michigan though, which while isn't a must-have it's definitely a would-be-good-to-have.

I don't see Harris as a shoe-in, at all. In a sane world, sure. Nobody sane would think Trump is qualified to run even a taco stand. The trend right now is good, but again there's areas of blue-collar white voters in PA, and other mushy areas in the other swing states that will decide the election.
 

MrSquished

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I'm reading a few reports that pelosi is for Walz. I like Nancy's instincts.

I'm over the swing state thing. If you look at the last last winners of democratic presidencies they were not swing state choices.
 

evident

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At this point I don't really care and just want the veepstakes to be over. Press is going batty reporting nothing day after day like it's breaking news. Soon they are going to be looking at their breakfast orders for hints.

My money is on Shapiro, Beshear, and Kelly likely in that order. Shapiro is the most electorally helpful and Beshear is charismatic plus well liked by important D consistencies. Online leftists are going to bitch and moan about Shapiro if its him but they aren't the voters who are going to decide this election. Anyway none of the available candidates are actually bad and certainly not JD Vance bad.
Nothing is enough for the leftist type protesters.... I am personally friends with some, and it seems like the goalposts keep moving. I'm willing to bet that even if a cease fire is brokered they will still hold it over the president / democratic party for not acting fast enough and will be holding their vote regardless. Make the right consensus policy proposals ( hold israel to the fire and press for a cease fire, try best to provide aid for palestinians and end human suffering, also lip service on defending israel) and turn the screws on bibiafter the election if nothing is getting done.
 
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"The Washington law firm conducting the vetting process for Harris, Covington & Burling, wrapped up its work on Thursday and turned over its findings to Harris, the Times said, citing two people briefed on the process.

The Post, similarly citing unnamed campaign sources, reported Harris had narrowed her search to six finalists -- Govs. Andy Beshear of Kentucky, J.B. Pritzker of Illinois, Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania and Tim Walz of Minnesota, as well as Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona."



Donny just sort of drew straws didn't he?
 

Moonbeam

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I don't know who she will pick and I also don't know who the best choice is or even if the best choice is under consideration. Knowing almost nothing and having little political experience I just have my own worthless opinion. I don't
 

Fenixgoon

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According to the rumor mill.. Peter Thiel and Elon were really high on Vance and made promises of donations if he picked him.

Can't do anything for free.. can he?
He's making great deals..big, beautiful deals.
 
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brycejones

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According to the rumor mill.. Peter Thiel and Elon were really high on Vance and made promises of donations if he picked him.

Can't do anything for free.. can he?
What could wrong with a guy supported by two of the creepiest tech bros?
 

Stokely

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More I've read about Shapiro, the more I hope it isn't him. I don't like how he handled the student protests, not at all. He apparently used public money to settle a harassment case involving an aide (seriously, can't any of these people avoid being aholes? Don't answer that, I've worked with more than a few execs, most of them are.) He seems to have the most possible negatives, IMO. But who really knows how the voters in various states will respond to any of these. If he isn't the favorite of people like me in a lost state and gives PA to Harris, I'll take it. Won't have to wonder about it after Tues.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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More I've read about Shapiro, the more I hope it isn't him. I don't like how he handled the student protests, not at all. He apparently used public money to settle a harassment case involving an aide (seriously, can't any of these people avoid being aholes? Don't answer that, I've worked with more than a few execs, most of them are.) He seems to have the most possible negatives, IMO. But who really knows how the voters in various states will respond to any of these. If he isn't the favorite of people like me in a lost state and gives PA to Harris, I'll take it. Won't have to wonder about it after Tues.
I think even the perception of impropriety should be held above all else. The floor for merit and capability is very low in this election so they aren't going to win extra votes by picking a VP who's competent, but they will massively lose votes if the 'both sides' perception persists.

Picking a VP with a whiff of scandal will get ripped apart in the swing states. I'd literally prefer they pick a clean rando off the streets.
 
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I think even the perception of impropriety should be held above all else. The floor for merit and capability is very low in this election so they aren't going to win extra votes by picking a VP who's competent, but they will massively lose votes if the 'both sides' perception persists.

Picking a VP with a whiff of scandal will get ripped apart in the swing states. I'd literally prefer they pick a clean rando off the streets.
I agree... at this point i'm swinging towards Beshear. He's a hugely popular Democrat in an extremely red state. He knows how to talk to people in rural areas. No known scandals, and also endorsed by unions. Shapiro definitely has some negatives that have emerged. no deal breakers normally in my opinion but there's no need to have to fight off those accusations in a tight race

and we can keep shapiro as an effective governor in PA, who barely is just started his term
 
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