who has the right of way?

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

No, you don't. Your links all refer to a regular green light, NOT the "protected turn" of a green arrow.

It seems that everyone else here understands that BUT you. :disgust:

It is under CONTROLLED intersections. It does not include what is in the intersection because it is irrelevant.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Kelemvor
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...jan20,0,2987376.column

This scenario is the one where I am most cautious. I am aware that if I am making the U-turn that I have the right of way, but so many people screw this up because they either do not understand the law or simply assume that I am making a left turn instead of a U-turn. It happens so often that I end up yielding for a couple seconds until I am sure the other car realizes that I am there and am making a U-turn. It would almost seem as if I am yielding and do not understand what the law is but the truth is that I just don't trust the average Joe to understand and be observant enough and I am usually right.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

No, you don't. Your links all refer to a regular green light, NOT the "protected turn" of a green arrow.

It seems that everyone else here understands that BUT you. :disgust:

It states clearly you have to yield.

I enjoy all the faces though, you are really distraught for no reason.

WOW, you really are stupid. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR OWN LINKS!

Are you really not bright enough to comprehend the difference between a regular green light, where OF COURSE the left turner has to yield to oncoming traffic, which is what every link of yours is referring to, and the special case of a green arrow?

Are you really that dim?

Jesus, man, get a friend to wise you up, you're making yourself look bad here.

It was not misunderstood. You are just trying to add to it "conditions" which it did not need to include because it was covered.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

No, you don't. Your links all refer to a regular green light, NOT the "protected turn" of a green arrow.

It seems that everyone else here understands that BUT you. :disgust:

It is under CONTROLLED intersections. It does not include what is in the intersection because it is irrelevant.

Your answer here doesn't even make any particular sense.

Your link is talking about a regular green light and NOT a green arrow. Do you NOT see that?????

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: Tweak155
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This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

Nice link, definitly above baord considering it was not an officail sate site, but instead made by a lawyer.

instead why not look here. wisc. statutes

Green arrow. 1. Vehicular traffic facing a green arrow signal
may enter the intersection only to make the movement indicated
by the arrow but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians,
bicyclists, and riders of electric personal assistive mobility
devices lawfully within a crosswalk and to other traffic lawfully
using the intersection. When the green arrow signal indicates a
right or left turn traffic shall cautiously enter the intersection.

Does it say anywhere that they must yield to other traffic?

No it does not, nor does it say you don't have to either. But I have bolded the only additional comment on it.

The bottom line is that yielding when you are not required to adds to the unpredictability of your driving which often leads to the confusion of those who are behind you. This sort of thing has cause more than its fair share of fender benders. So, while I promote the idea of safe and cautious driving and practice it myself, I always preach that people follow the rules of the road precisely in as many cases as possible because unpredictable driving is one of the leading causes of accidents in my opinion. I believe it is third to only reckless behavior and not paying attention to detail.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tweak155
It was not misunderstood. You are just trying to add to it "conditions" which it did not need to include because it was covered.

Ok, chief, here's the deal. Got a paypal account? Got $100? Let's both forward that amount to an agreed upon third party and bet on this. I can use the dough, and arguing with someone as dense as you is a further waste of time unless I get paid for it.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

No, you don't. Your links all refer to a regular green light, NOT the "protected turn" of a green arrow.

It seems that everyone else here understands that BUT you. :disgust:

It is under CONTROLLED intersections. It does not include what is in the intersection because it is irrelevant.

Your answer here doesn't even make any particular sense.

Your link is talking about a regular green light and NOT a green arrow. Do you NOT see that?????

Where does the site state that? Again, you are adding conditions to it that don't exist.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: Tweak155
[
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

Nice link, definitly above baord considering it was not an officail sate site, but instead made by a lawyer.

instead why not look here. wisc. statutes

Green arrow. 1. Vehicular traffic facing a green arrow signal
may enter the intersection only to make the movement indicated
by the arrow but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians,
bicyclists, and riders of electric personal assistive mobility
devices lawfully within a crosswalk and to other traffic lawfully
using the intersection. When the green arrow signal indicates a
right or left turn traffic shall cautiously enter the intersection.

Does it say anywhere that they must yield to other traffic?

No it does not, nor does it say you don't have to either. But I have bolded the only additional comment on it.

The bottom line is that yielding when you are not required to adds to the unpredictability of your driving which often leads to the confusion of those who are behind you. This sort of thing has cause more than its fair share of fender benders. So, while I promote the idea of safe and cautious driving and practice it myself, I always preach that people follow the rules of the road precisely in as many cases as possible because unpredictable driving is one of the leading causes of accidents in my opinion. I believe it is third to only reckless behavior and not paying attention to detail.

I suppose you'd rather get in the accident?

 

[FleshLight]

When you have a rotected left green arrow, you are still required to yield to oncoming traffic that will ossibly running a red light. If you get hit by a guy who ran the red while you made your left turn, you will get a ticket for failure to yield. Traffic laws are made to rotect you. The guy who ran the red is failing to sto at a red light but you must yield to him for your own safety and the law.

 

[bunker]

Tweak, give up now, quit posting before you make yourself look really stupid. You are correct about a regular green light, you are incorrect about the situation being discussed here which is a green arrow light.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: FleshLight
When you have a rotected left green arrow, you are still required to yield to oncoming traffic that will ossibly running a red light. If you get hit by a guy who ran the red while you made your left turn, you will get a ticket for failure to yield. Traffic laws are made to rotect you. The guy who ran the red is failing to sto at a red light but you must yield to him for your own safety and the law.

Absolutely not true. I have another $100 says you're wrong. Got paypal? See above.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: FleshLight
When you have a rotected left green arrow, you are still required to yield to oncoming traffic that will ossibly running a red light. If you get hit by a guy who ran the red while you made your left turn, you will get a ticket for failure to yield. Traffic laws are made to rotect you. The guy who ran the red is failing to sto at a red light but you must yield to him for your own safety and the law.

Absolutely not true. I have another $100 says you're wrong. Got paypal? See above.

I was taught the same thing in driving school about six months ago. =/

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: bunker
Tweak, give up now, quit posting before you make yourself look really stupid. You are correct about a regular green light, you are incorrect about the situation being discussed here which is a green arrow light.

I can only conclude that he's really too stupid to comprehend that.

YO TWEAK! DO WE HAVE A BET OR NOT?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Xavier434


The bottom line is that yielding when you are not required to adds to the unpredictability of your driving which often leads to the confusion of those who are behind you. This sort of thing has cause more than its fair share of fender benders. So, while I promote the idea of safe and cautious driving and practice it myself, I always preach that people follow the rules of the road precisely in as many cases as possible because unpredictable driving is one of the leading causes of accidents in my opinion. I believe it is third to only reckless behavior and not paying attention to detail.

I suppose you'd rather get in the accident?

No. I would rather everyone follow the law while using their best judgment. If the law says that you have the right of way and you realize that you will hit a car or you strongly suspect that some douche bag is going to pull out and turn in front of you then your best judgment should tell you to yield or at least prepare to yield. Otherwise, I expect one's best judgment to tell them to obey the law since predictable drivers make for safer roads.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: bunker
Tweak, give up now, quit posting before you make yourself look really stupid. You are correct about a regular green light, you are incorrect about the situation being discussed here which is a green arrow light.

Uhh, too late for that I'm afraid. We're waaaaay past that point now. I now believe that Tweak may well be the most stubborn and dense person on the face of this planet.

 

[Kelemvor]

Originally posted by: bunker
Tweak, give up now, quit posting before you make yourself look really stupid. You are correct about a regular green light, you are incorrect about the situation being discussed here which is a green arrow light.

Ha, way too late for that...

 

[ahurtt]

Ok here's a scenario. . .
You are waiting to make a U-turn at a regular green light. This is a 4 way intersection. NO protected left turn arrow at this light. Only a normal green light. The oncoming traffic on the opposite side of the road has passed and you have a clear opening to make your U-Turn BUT, there is a guy waiting to make a right on red sitting on the road to the left. He's trying to make a right on red into the same lane you're trying to U-Turn into. Clearly you have to yield to oncoming traffic that is in the opposing lane before you can make your u-turn but do you also have to yield to the guy who wants to turn right on red as well before you can legally make your U-Turn or do you get to go before him? I am fairly confident I know the correct answer to this but I just want to see what others think. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching tweak make a complete asshat out of himself.

Maybe I will make a separate thread with this as the topic and include a poll.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Ok here's a scenario. ..
You are waiting to make a U-turn at a regular green light. This is a 4 way intersection. NO protected left turn arrow at this light. Only a normal green light. The oncoming traffic on the opposite side of the road has passed and you have a clear opening to make your U-Turn BUT, there is a guy waiting to make a right on red sitting on the road to the left. He's trying to make a right on red into the same lane you're trying to U-Turn into. Clearly you have to yield to oncoming traffic that is in the opposing lane before you can make your u-turn but do you also have to yield to the guy who wants to turn right on red as well before you can legally make your U-Turn or do you get to go before him? I am fairly confident I know the correct answer to this but I just want to see what others think. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching tweak make a complete asshat out of himself.

Honestly, I am not certain. I know that what I usually do in this scenario if I am that guy waiting to turn right is yield to the guy making the U-turn. I assume I do that because I was taught that I do not have the right of way in that case but I really don't remember for sure.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Ok here's a scenario. . .
You are waiting to make a U-turn at a regular green light. This is a 4 way intersection. NO protected left turn arrow at this light. Only a normal green light. The oncoming traffic on the opposite side of the road has passed and you have a clear opening to make your U-Turn BUT, there is a guy waiting to make a right on red sitting on the road to the left. He's trying to make a right on red into the same lane you're trying to U-Turn into. Clearly you have to yield to oncoming traffic that is in the opposing lane before you can make your u-turn but do you also have to yield to the guy who wants to turn right on red as well before you can legally make your U-Turn or do you get to go before him? I am fairly confident I know the correct answer to this but I just want to see what others think. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching tweak make a complete asshat out of himself.

Maybe I will make a separate thread with this as the topic and include a poll.

If you have a green arrow, then, yes, you have the right of way. At a regular green? I wouldn't think so.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers91

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: FleshLight
When you have a rotected left green arrow, you are still required to yield to oncoming traffic that will ossibly running a red light. If you get hit by a guy who ran the red while you made your left turn, you will get a ticket for failure to yield. Traffic laws are made to rotect you. The guy who ran the red is failing to sto at a red light but you must yield to him for your own safety and the law.

Absolutely not true. I have another $100 says you're wrong. Got paypal? See above.

I was taught the same thing in driving school about six months ago. =/

Funny how they all ignore this one... sigh. I'm done trying. Get in the accident and learn your lesson.

Peace out folks.

 

[jersiq]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Ok here's a scenario. . .
You are waiting to make a U-turn at a regular green light. This is a 4 way intersection. NO protected left turn arrow at this light. Only a normal green light. The oncoming traffic on the opposite side of the road has passed and you have a clear opening to make your U-Turn BUT, there is a guy waiting to make a right on red sitting on the road to the left. He's trying to make a right on red into the same lane you're trying to U-Turn into. Clearly you have to yield to oncoming traffic that is in the opposing lane before you can make your u-turn but do you also have to yield to the guy who wants to turn right on red as well before you can legally make your U-Turn or do you get to go before him? I am fairly confident I know the correct answer to this but I just want to see what others think. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching tweak make a complete asshat out of himself.

Maybe I will make a separate thread with this as the topic and include a poll.

I was always under the impression that a right-on-red is only allowed AFTER you have yielded to ALL legal traffic in that intersection, not just the ones you pick and choose.

But I am probably wrong.

 

[Perknose]

Oh, and:

Sections 21451 and 21453 of the California Vehicle Code stipulate that a vehicle turning left on a green arrow has the right of way over a vehicle approaching from the opposite direction because the second vehicle would be facing a red light during that segment of the signal sequence and therefore can turn right only when it's safe, including after yielding to vehicles legally in the intersection.

/thread :thumbsup:

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Ok here's a scenario. . .
You are waiting to make a U-turn at a regular green light. This is a 4 way intersection. NO protected left turn arrow at this light. Only a normal green light. The oncoming traffic on the opposite side of the road has passed and you have a clear opening to make your U-Turn BUT, there is a guy waiting to make a right on red sitting on the road to the left. He's trying to make a right on red into the same lane you're trying to U-Turn into. Clearly you have to yield to oncoming traffic that is in the opposing lane before you can make your u-turn but do you also have to yield to the guy who wants to turn right on red as well before you can legally make your U-Turn or do you get to go before him? I am fairly confident I know the correct answer to this but I just want to see what others think. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching tweak make a complete asshat out of himself.

Maybe I will make a separate thread with this as the topic and include a poll.

If you have a green arrow, then, yes, you have the right of way. At a regular green? I wouldn't think so.

My scenario clearly states you have NO protected left turn green arrow in this situation. Just a green light.

But anyway, what I think is that the guy making the U would have right of way in this case. I'm pretty sure green > red always. A person making a right on red usually has the very least right of way of anybody in a situation. The only people who have less right of way than he does are those who are waiting at a red to go straight. They basically have no right of way at all.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Ok here's a scenario. . .
You are waiting to make a U-turn at a regular green light. This is a 4 way intersection. NO protected left turn arrow at this light. Only a normal green light. The oncoming traffic on the opposite side of the road has passed and you have a clear opening to make your U-Turn BUT, there is a guy waiting to make a right on red sitting on the road to the left. He's trying to make a right on red into the same lane you're trying to U-Turn into. Clearly you have to yield to oncoming traffic that is in the opposing lane before you can make your u-turn but do you also have to yield to the guy who wants to turn right on red as well before you can legally make your U-Turn or do you get to go before him? I am fairly confident I know the correct answer to this but I just want to see what others think. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching tweak make a complete asshat out of himself.

Maybe I will make a separate thread with this as the topic and include a poll.

I was always under the impression that a right-on-red is only allowed AFTER you have yielded to ALL legal traffic in that intersection, not just the ones you pick and choose.

But I am probably wrong.

I believe you are correct. But a lot of idiots out there think that because they are making a right turn they have right of way over somebody waiting to make a non-protected left U-Turn. That would be true only if both drivers had a steady green light. Soon as the guy wanting to turn right has a red, the guy making the u turn gets the right of way regardless of whether he has a green arrow or just a regular green light.

 

[frostedflakes]

Wouldn't failure to yield on a green arrow only apply to emergency vehicles? They are exempt from this rule, and I think this may be what's confusing Tweak. I'm pretty sure a regular driver would be 100% at fault if he/she ran a red light and hit a person who had the right of way.