who has the right of way?

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Auryg
What about a stop light intersection where there is no "left turn yield to oncoming traffic sign?" There's one here where I live now and I have no idea.

dear lord I hope you're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding.

To put it simply - "if by changing your line you put your line in the path of somebody elses, you yield to them". ESPECIALLY when turning left, you never have right of way unless you have a green arrow.

Even on a green arrow for a left turner and a red light for oncoming traffic - the turner must yield. This seems to be a hard concept for many people to understand.

Everyone needs to keep in mind, traffic laws/lights/signs are ALL meant for safety. Logically we would want 2 people to stop to avoid an accident even though only 1 should have to. Keeping this in mind, laws are set up to protect BOTH parties.

Therefore, the person approaching the red light should stop, and the person making the left turn should yield even if the person is going through a red light. You will (or at least should) get a ticket for causing an accident while making a left turn through a green arrow and colliding with an oncoming vehicle that has gone through a red light.

Who had the "right of way" - The person making the left turn. But, the person still failed to yield to oncoming traffic which is required FOR ALL TURNS.

This is QUITE SIMPLY NOT TRUE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

 

[VoteQuimby]

In the UK/US the Red car has the "right of way." However in France the Blue car would have the "right of way."

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: beat mania

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: gingerstewart55

Originally posted by: Auryg
What about a stop light intersection where there is no "left turn yield to oncoming traffic sign?" There's one here where I live now and I have no idea.

A left turn at a traffic light always yields to oncoming traffic, unless you have an arrow specific to you making your left turn. If the traffic light is green to you and the oncoming traffic, left turn always yields.....it's a traffic rule....look it up in your driver's manual. I'm sure you still have one around from when you got your license last week.

Wrong. A person turning ALWAYS yields. When did you get your license?

From his response, probably America.

OMG there's an arrow on the ground pointing to where I'm heading, I have right of way! w00t!

Wow, do either of you actually drive? Dear Lord...

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose
Tweak and beat are incorrect, and apparently in full ignorance of the common situation in America where the traffic light at an intersection has a left green arrow, which, when on, gives left turners the absolute right of way.

You are full of ignorance as I never said the turner didn't have the right of way. I said they have to yield to oncoming traffic. Difference.

EDIT:

I also clarified this in a previous post.

My God, you are not only ignorant, but massively stupid and apparently unable to recognize your own non-sensical thought patterns.

If the turner has the right of way, THEN he doesn't have to yield, others MUST yield to him?

Damn, you're dumb. :roll:

Failure to yield and right of way are two different things.

You can tell the immature ones when they resort to insults to try and prove their point.

EDIT:

First site that came up googling "failure to yield":

http://www.njtrafficlawcenter.com/yeild.htm

Clips:

"Laws govern which vehicle has the right of way, but drivers should always be prepared to yield."

Clearly shows failure to yield and right of way are 2 different things.

Next (under a section titled "Controlled Intersections"):

"When making a left turn at an intersection, yield to oncoming traffic and all pedestrians within a crosswalk."

Funny this site does not distinguish between what lights or signs say... probably because laws are meant for SAFETY not who has the most arrogance and thinks they should be able to go through without stopping.

I see this is just NJ but like I said, first site that came up.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: crystal

Because your post don't make sense. When you have to yield - you give up your right of way. But then you said I have the right of way on the left arrow, why the hell should I give up my right of way to the other car which is illegally run the red light?

Clarified above.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Even on a green arrow for a left turner and a red light for oncoming traffic - the turner must yield. This seems to be a hard concept for many people to understand.

Everyone needs to keep in mind, traffic laws/lights/signs are ALL meant for safety. Logically we would want 2 people to stop to avoid an accident even though only 1 should have to. Keeping this in mind, laws are set up to protect BOTH parties.

Therefore, the person approaching the red light should stop, and the person making the left turn should yield even if the person is going through a red light. You will (or at least should) get a ticket for causing an accident while making a left turn through a green arrow and colliding with an oncoming vehicle that has gone through a red light.

Who had the "right of way" - The person making the left turn. But, the person still failed to yield to oncoming traffic which is required FOR ALL TURNS.

This is QUITE SIMPLY NOT TRUE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Incorrect and clarified above.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose
Tweak and beat are incorrect, and apparently in full ignorance of the common situation in America where the traffic light at an intersection has a left green arrow, which, when on, gives left turners the absolute right of way.

You are full of ignorance as I never said the turner didn't have the right of way. I said they have to yield to oncoming traffic. Difference.

EDIT:

I also clarified this in a previous post.

My God, you are not only ignorant, but massively stupid and apparently unable to recognize your own non-sensical thought patterns.

If the turner has the right of way, THEN he doesn't have to yield, others MUST yield to him?

Damn, you're dumb. :roll:

Failure to yield and right of way are two different things.

You can tell the immature ones when they resort to insults to try and prove their point.

Again, above, you said that a person turning left with a green arrow, and I quote, "has to yield to oncoming traffic." This is simply NOT SO. There is NO legal oncoming traffic, because, every single time YOU have a green arrow, ALL other traffic has been stopped by steady red.

You wrote:

Therefore, the person approaching the red light should stop, and the person making the left turn should yield even if the person is going through a red light. You will (or at least should) get a ticket for causing an accident while making a left turn through a green arrow and colliding with an oncoming vehicle that has gone through a red light.

You are WRONG.

If an oncoming vehicle were to run that red and hit you as you attempted to turn green on your green arrow, they would be legally at fault, because YOU had the right of way.

In response to another saying, "A left turn at a traffic light always yields to oncoming traffic, unless you have an arrow specific to you making your left turn YOU WROTE:

Wrong. A person turning ALWAYS yields. When did you get your license?

And you are, quite simply, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and a hypocrit who began the insult parade. :|

There CAN be no legal traffic to yield to when turning left with a green arrow. A green arrow means a protected left turn. All other traffic has a red.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Even on a green arrow for a left turner and a red light for oncoming traffic - the turner must yield. This seems to be a hard concept for many people to understand.

Everyone needs to keep in mind, traffic laws/lights/signs are ALL meant for safety. Logically we would want 2 people to stop to avoid an accident even though only 1 should have to. Keeping this in mind, laws are set up to protect BOTH parties.

Therefore, the person approaching the red light should stop, and the person making the left turn should yield even if the person is going through a red light. You will (or at least should) get a ticket for causing an accident while making a left turn through a green arrow and colliding with an oncoming vehicle that has gone through a red light.

Who had the "right of way" - The person making the left turn. But, the person still failed to yield to oncoming traffic which is required FOR ALL TURNS.

This is QUITE SIMPLY NOT TRUE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Incorrect and clarified above.

You haven't clarified squat. You are totally WRONG. See above.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Red car ALWAYS has right of way. Always.

-edit-
That's one of the rules of a roundabout.

:thumbsup:

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: VoteQuimby
In the UK/US the Red car has the "right of way." However in France the Blue car would have the "right of way."

I thought France changed to the red car scenario in the eighties.

Oh, in Florida no one has the right-of-way. The law only says who must yield the right-of-way.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Next (under a section titled "Controlled Intersections"):

"When making a left turn at an intersection, yield to oncoming traffic and all pedestrians within a crosswalk."

Funny this site does not distinguish between what lights or signs say... probably because laws are meant for SAFETY not who has the most arrogance and thinks they should be able to go through without stopping.

I see this is just NJ but like I said, first site that came up.

Well, there is a difference between the safe way and blindly following the law. Obviously it is less safe for someone to make a left turn at an intersection if there is an incoming car crossing the path even if you have a green arrow. However, the only reason it is not safe is due to that car blowing through a red light which is illegal of course.

In the case of yielding, it is in one's best interest to be cautious and be prepared to yield in the case where someone else breaks the law. However, when it comes to insurance decisions and the law, the car who has the right of way is not expected to yield to oncoming traffic when they have a green arrow to turn left. Therefore, no tickets will be issued to that person who turned and the insurance companies will side with you should an accident occur.

 

[Kelemvor]

Umm, if I have a green arrow telling me I can turn left, that means the oncoming people have a red light. This means that I have the right of way. I dont' have to yield to anyone from the other direction since they'd be running a red light if they turned in front of me with my green arrow and they'd be completely at fault, get a ticket, woudl pay for my car, etc.

Is that what you guys are talking about?

Now if I just have a green light but not a green arrow, then the other people also have a green light and then I do not have the right of way and do have to yield to oncoming people going straight or turning right..

All of this assumes you are in teh US of course...

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
In the case of yielding, it is in one's best interest to be cautious and be prepared to yield in the case where someone else breaks the law. However, when it comes to insurance decisions and the law, the car who has the right of way is not expected to yield to oncoming traffic when they have a green arrow to turn left. Therefore, no tickets will be issued to that person who turned and the insurance companies will side with you should an accident occur.

Bingo. :thumbsup:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Kelemvor
Umm, if I have a green arrow telling me I can turn left, that means the oncoming people have a red light. This means that I have the right of way. I dont' have to yield to anyone from the other direction since they'd be running a red light if they turned in front of me with my green arrow and they'd be completely at fault, get a ticket, woudl pay for my car, etc.

Is that what you guys are talking about?

Yep. Now try to convice Tweak please.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Perknose


Again, above, you said that a person turning left with a green arrow, and I quote, "has to yield to oncoming traffic." This is simply NOT SO. There is NO legal oncoming traffic, because, every single time YOU have a green arrow, ALL other traffic has been stopped by steady red.

YOU are making an assumption. Clearly accidents happen and would not occur if all cars are stopped. Why would we even be arguing about this? I mean seriously.

Therefore, the person approaching the red light should stop, and the person making the left turn should yield even if the person is going through a red light. You will (or at least should) get a ticket for causing an accident while making a left turn through a green arrow and colliding with an oncoming vehicle that has gone through a red light.

You are WRONG.

If an oncoming vehicle were to run that red and hit you as you attempted to turn green on your green arrow, they would be legally at fault, because YOU had the right of way.

Wrong. I've seen at least 2 posts in this very forum stating the very opposite. I will not do the searching for you.

In response to another saying, "A left turn at a traffic light always yields to oncoming traffic, unless you have an arrow specific to you making your left turn YOU WROTE:

Wrong. A person turning ALWAYS yields. When did you get your license?

And you are, quite simply, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and a hypocrit who began the insult parade. :|

- Maybe slightly hypocritical, but I did not start it. He made a comment stating that the person got their license last week which you happened to omit.

There CAN be no legal traffic to yield to when turning left with a green arrow. A green arrow means a protected left turn. All other traffic has a red.

This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

 

[Kelemvor]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...jan20,0,2987376.column

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tweak155
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

No, you don't. Your links all refer to a regular green light, NOT the "protected turn" of a green arrow.

It seems that everyone else here understands that BUT you. :disgust:

 

[Kelemvor]

Or the California DMV site:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs16thru17.htm

Green Arrow- A green arrow means "GO." You must turn in the direction the arrow is pointing after you yield to any vehicle, bicyclist, or pedestrian still in the intersection. The green arrow allows you to make a "protected" turn. This means oncoming vehicles, bicyclists, and pedestrians are stopped by a red light as long as the green arrow is lighted.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: gingerstewart55

Originally posted by: Auryg
What about a stop light intersection where there is no "left turn yield to oncoming traffic sign?" There's one here where I live now and I have no idea.

A left turn at a traffic light always yields to oncoming traffic, unless you have an arrow specific to you making your left turn. If the traffic light is green to you and the oncoming traffic, left turn always yields.....it's a traffic rule....look it up in your driver's manual. I'm sure you still have one around from when you got your license last week.

Wrong. A person turning ALWAYS yields. When did you get your license?

What about if you have a a protected left turn green arrow and there is somebody trying to make a right on red into the same lane that you are trying to make your left turn on green arrow into?

 

[Kelemvor]

Or Pennsylvania DMV:

Q: The only peeve I have with our traffic engineers is at intersections that have left-turn green arrows, and the other direction is still allowed to make a right turn on red. This allows a conflict, with each person seeming to have a right to turn into the other's path. I have a problem with this design, especially since it's not unusual for people to treat right-on-red as though it's a green light. There should never be a right-on-red allowed if there's a left-turn green arrow for traffic coming the other way.

Donald K. Heck

Allentown

A: Regional PennDOT Traffic Signals Manager Tom Walter confirmed that in these instances, the green-arrow traffic has the right of way, and the opposing right-turners must yield.

After the green arrow goes out -- you can usually tell by the fact that traffic in the adjacent through lanes starts moving -- left-turning traffic no longer has the exclusive right to continue flowing. Then it gets a little more complicated.

If a green ball remains lit, or comes on, after the arrow ''drops out,'' as the engineers say, left-turners still can proceed, but only if there's no conflicting through or right-turning traffic from the oncoming lanes. If vehicles in opposing directions have the same green ball signal, through traffic has the right of way, because left-turning traffic would be encroaching into its path. Left turns can be made, but only in the absence of through or right-turning traffic.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

No, you don't. Your links all refer to a regular green light, NOT the "protected turn" of a green arrow.

It seems that everyone else here understands that BUT you. :disgust:

It states clearly you have to yield.

I enjoy all the faces though, you are really distraught for no reason.

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: Tweak155
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This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

Nice link, definitly above board considering it was not an officail state site, but instead made by a lawyer.

instead why not look here. wisc. statutes

Green arrow. 1. Vehicular traffic facing a green arrow signal
may enter the intersection only to make the movement indicated
by the arrow but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians,
bicyclists, and riders of electric personal assistive mobility
devices lawfully within a crosswalk and to other traffic lawfully
using the intersection. When the green arrow signal indicates a
right or left turn traffic shall cautiously enter the intersection.

Does it say anywhere that they must yield to other traffic?

edit spelling

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Kelemvor
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...jan20,0,2987376.column

No one is arguing right of way, is there another point for this link?

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: Tweak155
[
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

Nice link, definitly above baord considering it was not an officail sate site, but instead made by a lawyer.

instead why not look here. wisc. statutes

Green arrow. 1. Vehicular traffic facing a green arrow signal
may enter the intersection only to make the movement indicated
by the arrow but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians,
bicyclists, and riders of electric personal assistive mobility
devices lawfully within a crosswalk and to other traffic lawfully
using the intersection. When the green arrow signal indicates a
right or left turn traffic shall cautiously enter the intersection.

Does it say anywhere that they must yield to other traffic?

No it does not, nor does it say you don't have to either. But I have bolded the only additional comment on it.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Tweak155
This is ridiculous. I have links supporting my comments. Where are yours?

No, you don't. Your links all refer to a regular green light, NOT the "protected turn" of a green arrow.

It seems that everyone else here understands that BUT you. :disgust:

It states clearly you have to yield.

I enjoy all the faces though, you are really distraught for no reason.

WOW, you really are stupid. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR OWN LINKS!

Are you really not bright enough to comprehend the difference between a regular green light, where OF COURSE the left turner has to yield to oncoming traffic, which is what every link of yours is referring to, and the special case of a green arrow?

Are you really that dim?

Jesus, man, get a friend to wise you up, you're making yourself look bad here.