WhiteHouse wants you to snitch....

[IceBergSLiM]

Those that are turned in will be added to the red list along with all legal gun owners and convicted felons.

 

[Pens1566]

So I'm confused, is the new conservative boogeyman that we're all supposed to be uber afraid of over spending, kenyan-muslim president, socialist kenyan-muslim president, bully chief of staff, uhc, socialism, or the DNC trying to dispute FUD that is being put out by insurance companies? I miss the good old days where it was limited to brown skinned "terrists", taxes, godless heathens getting abortions, gay marriages that would spell the downfall of western civilization.

You guys really need to cut back and keep it simple.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
So I'm confused, is the new conservative boogeyman that we're all supposed to be uber afraid of over spending, kenyan-muslim president, socialist kenyan-muslim president, bully chief of staff, uhc, socialism, or the DNC trying to dispute FUD that is being put out by insurance companies? I miss the good old days where it was limited to brown skinned "terrists", taxes, godless heathens getting abortions, gay marriages that would spell the downfall of western civilization.

You guys really need to cut back and keep it simple.

dont forget people being put on lists for round up for being against uhc

 

[Pens1566]

I was trying to keep it short so the ADD of the intended audience doesn't kick in ...

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Freedom of speech, unless you agree with us.

It's so refreshing to see America wake up to what this bastard is doing and fighting back. The DNC even sent out a press memo about how those speaking out against congress in town hall meetings are some funded organization that should be stopped.

Fuck you. This is the people fighting against you. This is OUR COUNTRY, we own it, you work for us. Fuck you obama.

-edit-
Email sent.

Mr. President,

Although your misinformation campaign is in full swing we will stop you. Your lies are seen and the people no longer trust you. I wish to flag your propaganda and flat out lies so that the truth can be known. Your motives are understood and we don't want it. Give me Liberty, freedom and choice with my healthcare. Respond to me when you've read the bill because otherwise you are flat out wrong and the people will not put up with your lies any longer.

Loon

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Originally posted by: Craig234
The medical insurance industry has a massive budget for lying to the American peple to shift the public opinion its way, and has doen so or decades.

Where's the budget for the public interest on the other side? There isn't much of one.

So, to try to battle the propaganda, asking for the public to alert it to the PR activities of the well-funded propagandists is wrong how?

The medical insurance industry has reportedly hired *350 former Congressional members and staffers* for this battle to protect its gouging of the public.

And we have people here who are fighting hard for them to do just that.

This has to be one of your dumber posts that I have read. For one, the medical industry needs a budget to buy adds and what not, but the idiots in DC are on the tube everyday for free. Now, if you bothered to listen to most of the people that are upset you would find that they are not against health care reform. Most reasonable people would look at several possible solutions and then pick the best one. In reality, the best solution is most likely adding some additional over site and regulation to the industry and deal with illegals weighing the system down. As far as the waste in administration costs, fund a new system for all the insurance companies to use and standardize that part so we can have control of it, it's just paperwork. Only a jackass tears a house down to fix the foundation.

since when does tweaking a bloated and corrupt system work? seriously, when?

the irony is that tons of people who support status quo (or nearly so) for health insurance probably also support the fair tax movement.

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Originally posted by: Craig234
The medical insurance industry has a massive budget for lying to the American peple to shift the public opinion its way, and has doen so or decades.

Where's the budget for the public interest on the other side? There isn't much of one.

So, to try to battle the propaganda, asking for the public to alert it to the PR activities of the well-funded propagandists is wrong how?

The medical insurance industry has reportedly hired *350 former Congressional members and staffers* for this battle to protect its gouging of the public.

And we have people here who are fighting hard for them to do just that.

This has to be one of your dumber posts that I have read. For one, the medical industry needs a budget to buy adds and what not, but the idiots in DC are on the tube everyday for free. Now, if you bothered to listen to most of the people that are upset you would find that they are not against health care reform. Most reasonable people would look at several possible solutions and then pick the best one. In reality, the best solution is most likely adding some additional over site and regulation to the industry and deal with illegals weighing the system down. As far as the waste in administration costs, fund a new system for all the insurance companies to use and standardize that part so we can have control of it, it's just paperwork. Only a jackass tears a house down to fix the foundation.

since when does tweaking a bloated and corrupt system work? seriously, when?

the irony is that tons of people who support status quo (or nearly so) for health insurance probably also support the fair tax movement.

Nobody said tweak, oversight and regulations are never small and simple. The Obama/Pelosi answer is to copy a failed program (Medicaid) and put everyone except themselves on it. Which one looks more stupid? Another major issue is Obama is pushing this when he does not even know what it is yet, even making absolute statements about what is in there when it is not or vise versa. I think he just wants to pass it for his ego's sake, not caring what the liberals actually put in there. His last prime time press conference didn't even explain one thing about the bill except the almost lie, that you will get to keep your current insurance. It lets you keep it if nothing ever changes in the plan or coverage.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: bob4432
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog...s-Are-Stubborn-Things/

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can?t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we?re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

BHO your speech this morning sounded a lil fishy.
regards,
Dan

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Who the hell is this glenn beck guy you keep associating me with? I've honestly never heard of him.

Are you so scared of Americans standing up and speaking out against what could be the most impactful legislation on every citizen and really effect everybody on a personal level? Or are we just supposed to shut up and be reported?

this is our country, we own it

This is our country, we own it. By we I mean the people who voted in a Democratic president, a Democratic House and a Democratic Senate. You know, the people who won the fair elections, this is also called the majority.
So no, you don't own it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: spidey07
Who the hell is this glenn beck guy you keep associating me with? I've honestly never heard of him.

Are you so scared of Americans standing up and speaking out against what could be the most impactful legislation on every citizen and really effect everybody on a personal level? Or are we just supposed to shut up and be reported?

this is our country, we own it

This is our country, we own it. By we I mean the people who voted in a Democratic president, a Democratic House and a Democratic Senate. You know, the people who won the fair elections, this is also called the majority.
So no, you don't own it.

This is your opportunity to serve the whole nation. Don't make the same mistake the Reps and the Dems of a prior generation and think you own us. We'll kick you to the door in your turn.

 

[OutHouse]

lol if GWB did this shit you guys would need some psychotropic prescription to calm down.

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: ccbadd
This has to be one of your dumber posts that I have read. For one, the medical industry needs a budget to buy adds and what not, but the idiots in DC are on the tube everyday for free. Now, if you bothered to listen to most of the people that are upset you would find that they are not against health care reform. Most reasonable people would look at several possible solutions and then pick the best one. In reality, the best solution is most likely adding some additional over site and regulation to the industry and deal with illegals weighing the system down. As far as the waste in administration costs, fund a new system for all the insurance companies to use and standardize that part so we can have control of it, it's just paperwork. Only a jackass tears a house down to fix the foundation.

since when does tweaking a bloated and corrupt system work? seriously, when?

the irony is that tons of people who support status quo (or nearly so) for health insurance probably also support the fair tax movement.

Nobody said tweak, oversight and regulations are never small and simple. The Obama/Pelosi answer is to copy a failed program (Medicaid) and put everyone except themselves on it. Which one looks more stupid? Another major issue is Obama is pushing this when he does not even know what it is yet, even making absolute statements about what is in there when it is not or vise versa. I think he just wants to pass it for his ego's sake, not caring what the liberals actually put in there.

so you're criticising Obama for *his* plan to copy Medicaid, and then you rag on him for not having a plan yet. choose your angle of attack, you can't have both. the truth of the matter is that Obama has outlined what he wants, and he's allowing Congress to hash out the details. he doing it this way because if he came to Congress with a fully-defined plan and demanded its passage, the bill would likely meet the same fate as the one which Clinton pushed in that manner. nothing "stupid" or nefarious there, just sound political logic.

His last prime time press conference didn't even explain one thing about the bill except the almost lie, that you will get to keep your current insurance. It lets you keep it if nothing ever changes in the plan or coverage.

the fearmongering behind this fanciful reading of the bill was debunked almost a month ago. all the bill states is that grandfathered private plans can continue as is without interference. new private plans or altered private plans are also fine, but they must be part of the Health Insurance Exchange, a system which allows individuals and employers to comparison shop easily:

IN GENERAL.?Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan.

The actual bill, pre Limbaugh distortion

 

[Drako]

I sent http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog...s-Are-Stubborn-Things/ to flag@whitehouse.gov.

It seems pretty fishy to me .

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07
It's so refreshing to see America wake up to what this bastard is doing and fighting back. The DNC even sent out a press memo about how those speaking out against congress in town hall meetings are some funded organization that should be stopped.

Uh, well, yeah they are. Funded by the RNC and the health insurance lobby. Ever heard of astroturf? I'm sure there's a few people in there who are independent, but they get their information from the same sources.

Mr. President,

Although your misinformation campaign is in full swing we will stop you. Your lies are seen and the people no longer trust you. I wish to flag your propaganda and flat out lies so that the truth can be known. Your motives are understood and we don't want it. Give me Liberty, freedom and choice with my healthcare. Respond to me when you've read the bill because otherwise you are flat out wrong and the people will not put up with your lies any longer.

What misinformation campaign? Are you upset that Obama hasn't read those cherry picked and out of context email forwards?

The real misinformation is coming from the astroturf on the Republican side... dead Grandmas and all that.

Am I funded by the RNC? Do I get money? No. Do any of my friends and cowokers who feel exactly the way I do about this legislation get paid or organized by a 3rd party? No.

This is the people speaking out against the supposed representatives and obamas push. We don't want it. It's not some conspiracy or organized effort, people don't want this crap and I'm very happy they are speaking out.

And where do you get your information? Glenn Beck? Rush? Hannity? FoxNews.com? Townhall.com? Drudge?

Seriously, ask them to cut you guys a check.

Who the hell is this glenn beck guy you keep associating me with? I've honestly never heard of him.

Are you so scared of Americans standing up and speaking out against what could be the most impactful legislation on every citizen and really effect everybody on a personal level? Or are we just supposed to shut up and be reported?

this is our country, we own it

You post on P&N and have over 40,000 posts and you don't know who Glenn Beck is? Are you also unfamiliar with John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly? :roll:

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07
Who the hell is this glenn beck guy you keep associating me with? I've honestly never heard of him.[/b]

You post on P&N and have over 40,000 posts and you don't know who Glenn Beck is? Are you also unfamiliar with John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly? :roll:

I've been here for a number of years and am routinely accused of pushing the talking points of people whom I've never heard of, let alone listened to / watched / read. It's a standard macro response by many P&N'ers. Their instinctive reaction to something they don't like is to shout "oh did you just pick that up from [insert entertainer here]." Personally, I know who Beck is, but many times I'm just thinking to myself "I have no idea wtf you're talking about, but if it makes you feel like you're accomplishing something with that macro, don't let any statement of substance get in the way." It's not creative anymore. I'm not sure that it ever was. I'm convinced it's just the default response when there's nothing else to say.

 

[coolVariable]

Why so stimulus in this thread?

 

[PJABBER]

ABC's The Note - GOP Senator: White House Encroaching on First Amendment

ABC News? Rick Klein reports:

A Republican senator is calling for the White House to suspend a new project that asks members of the public to flag ?fishy? claims about President Obama?s health care plans, arguing that it raises privacy concerns and will serve to chill free speech.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, is sending a letter to the White House today asking the president to ?cease this program immediately? -- or to explain how Americans? privacy will be protected if e-mails are forwarded to the White House as requested.

Senator Cornyn's Letter To President Obama

?I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ?fishy? or otherwise inimical to the White House?s political interests,? Cornyn writes

?I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward emails critical of his policies to the White House. I suspect that you would have been leading the charge in condemning such a program -- and I would have been at your side denouncing such heavy-handed government action.?

Yesterday, White House director of new media Macon Phillips wrote a blog posting urging readers to flag questionable claims about health care proposals.

?There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can?t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we?re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.?

Cornyn specifically asks whether those who quote the president?s past statements -- such as his 2003 statement that he was a ?proponent? of single-payer care -- qualifies as ?disinformation.? He also asks what actions the White House would take against those engaging in ?fishy? speech.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Originally posted by: Craig234

--snip--

This has to be one of your dumber posts that I have read. For one, the medical industry needs a budget to buy adds and what not, but the idiots in DC are on the tube everyday for free. Now, if you bothered to listen to most of the people that are upset you would find that they are not against health care reform. Most reasonable people would look at several possible solutions and then pick the best one. In reality, the best solution is most likely adding some additional over site and regulation to the industry and deal with illegals weighing the system down. As far as the waste in administration costs, fund a new system for all the insurance companies to use and standardize that part so we can have control of it, it's just paperwork. Only a jackass tears a house down to fix the foundation.

Careful now -- with talk like this, you will be receiving a cease and desist order from Craig via PM at any minute.

Better than a hit-and-run PM by nobodyknows :laugh:

BUHWAAAAAHHH.

Start any more PFI threads against people you disagree with lately? What a Pussy!!

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Craig234
The medical insurance industry has a massive budget for lying to the American peple to shift the public opinion its way, and has doen so or decades.

Where's the budget for the public interest on the other side? There isn't much of one.

So, to try to battle the propaganda, asking for the public to alert it to the PR activities of the well-funded propagandists is wrong how?

The medical insurance industry has reportedly hired *350 former Congressional members and staffers* for this battle to protect its gouging of the public.

And we have people here who are fighting hard for them to do just that.

Spare us the rhetoric and move to Venezuela already. You can go live in the country run like you want. Let the rest of us live in a country where we're mostly happy with the way it is currently being run.

 

[coolVariable]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I have to say I'm really enjoying watching Obama bring out the crazy in people on here. I mean during the Bush years these people were just ultra right wing, now they've actually graduated to full blown foaming at the mouth insanity. A good social science experiment if nothing else.

Yeap, I'm looking at you spidey.

smug much?

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: spidey07
It's so refreshing to see America wake up to what this bastard is doing and fighting back. The DNC even sent out a press memo about how those speaking out against congress in town hall meetings are some funded organization that should be stopped.

Sup hate to break it to you but the stooges shouting down townhalls are astroturfed as fuck, basically the RNC is busing around the craziest of the crazy to yell and specifically tell them not to get into an intelligent debate but to shake them.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: coolVariable

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I have to say I'm really enjoying watching Obama bring out the crazy in people on here. I mean during the Bush years these people were just ultra right wing, now they've actually graduated to full blown foaming at the mouth insanity. A good social science experiment if nothing else.

Yeap, I'm looking at you spidey.

smug much?

This time last year he'd be complaining about this.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: spidey07
It's so refreshing to see America wake up to what this bastard is doing and fighting back. The DNC even sent out a press memo about how those speaking out against congress in town hall meetings are some funded organization that should be stopped.

Sup hate to break it to you but the stooges shouting down townhalls are astroturfed as fuck, basically the RNC is busing around the craziest of the crazy to yell and specifically tell them not to get into an intelligent debate but to shake them.

Yea, those crazy fucks, demanding that congress actually read the bills that they push through.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: PJABBER


Cornyn specifically asks whether those who quote the president?s past statements -- such as his 2003 statement that he was a ?proponent? of single-payer care -- qualifies as ?disinformation.? He also asks what actions the White House would take against those engaging in ?fishy? speech.

GOOD! At least this crap is getting some media attention. Everybody should know about this heavy handed action.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: spidey07
It's so refreshing to see America wake up to what this bastard is doing and fighting back. The DNC even sent out a press memo about how those speaking out against congress in town hall meetings are some funded organization that should be stopped.

Sup hate to break it to you but the stooges shouting down townhalls are astroturfed as fuck, basically the RNC is busing around the craziest of the crazy to yell and specifically tell them not to get into an intelligent debate but to shake them.

Got proof? Here's a recent poll about who would attend such meetings, it's mainly people that care about their health care and hence they don't want what is being pushed.

http://www.nowhampshire.com/20...-in-their-communities/

?Nearly half of those who oppose the Obama plan say they are more likely to attend town hall meetings to express their views on health care; only 37 percent of those who support Obama?s plan are very likely to attend a public forum on that issue,? said CNN?s Polling Director Keating Holland.