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White House preparing draft national emergency order and identified $7B for wall

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FerrelGeek said:
Ummmm, that's called a military coup and is generally frowned upon. We have this thing called a constitution that lays out the process from removing the president from office. Even if your deranged little fantasy came true, who do you think the military will hand the government over to? Pence? Pelosi? Hillary? Who's to say that they won't decide to go full junta on us?
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Me.
 
FerrelGeek said:
Ummmm, that's called a military coup and is generally frowned upon. We have this thing called a constitution that lays out the process from removing the president from office. Even if your deranged little fantasy came true, who do you think the military will hand the government over to? Pence? Pelosi? Hillary? Who's to say that they won't decide to go full junta on us?
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I think that the argument that a President declaring an national emergency on something that is obviously not in order to use the military to do his bidding against the expressed wishes of Congress could also be considered a military coup.
 
It's a gray area, but I get your point. What Moonie suggested though is definitely NOT a gray area.

SMOGZINN said:
I think that the argument that a President declaring an national emergency on something that is obviously not in order to use the military to do his bidding against the expressed wishes of Congress could also be considered a military coup.
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I hope he does it and gets away with it so President O'Rourke can declare national emergencies for climate change and health care.
 
dainthomas said:
I hope he does it and gets away with it so President O'Rourke can declare national emergencies for climate change and health care.
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Unless having gotten away with it he declares a state of emergency to cancel the elections. This really is a door we do not want to open. It is not an exaggeration to say that this is actually how democracies fall.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Unless having gotten away with it he declares a state of emergency to cancel the elections. This really is a door we do not want to open. It is not an exaggeration to say that this is actually how democracies fall.
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Well, that's a good point. Especially if being in office is the only way he avoids prison for himself and his criminal spawn.
 
Vote day today on the resolution against the emergency declaration. In a twist the number of GOP senators now lined up to vote in favor of the resolution is up to 10. It was 5 this morning. I doubt they get a veto proof majority but it will be a major rebuke of Trump especially with all his threats.
 
Glad Congress was able to come together to tell him where to shove his wall.

Hopefully they can flip a couple more Rs to tell him to shove his veto into the same hole.
 
Ignoring the constitutional issues.

It’s a win-win to me, money pulled from military descression funds to pay for wall which doesn’t really bother me, next Democrat President calls healthcare a National Emergency

Maybe I am getting sick of winning
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Ignoring the constitutional issues.

It’s a win-win to me, money pulled from military descression funds to pay for wall which doesn’t really bother me, next Democrat President calls healthcare a National Emergency

Maybe I am getting sick of winning
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Except the GOP will fight tooth and nail to curb these powers but not until they give a pass on this because, well, he had the power to do it so it’s ok.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Ignoring the constitutional issues.

It’s a win-win to me, money pulled from military descression funds to pay for wall which doesn’t really bother me, next Democrat President calls healthcare a National Emergency

Maybe I am getting sick of winning
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I think Trump might actually have a legal argument for his action. If building the wall is seen as enforcing existing immigration law, executing the law is his actual job.

Not that I agree with his action in any way whatsoever, but if it stands on this principle I don't agree that it essentially expands Presidential power nearly to infinity. If a Democrat President were to try the same approach for, say, healthcare reform, they would only be able to do things within the scope of current law. That's far short of socialized healthcare.
 
interchange said:
I think Trump might actually have a legal argument for his action. If building the wall is seen as enforcing existing immigration law, executing the law is his actual job.

Not that I agree with his action in any way whatsoever, but if it stands on this principle I don't agree that it essentially expands Presidential power nearly to infinity. If a Democrat President were to try the same approach for, say, healthcare reform, they would only be able to do things within the scope of current law. That's far short of socialized healthcare.
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Okay, so everyone who is sick without insurance gets put on a Government plan like Medicare. Sounds like an emergency to me, they are sick and need care.
Republicans have fun gutting healthcare after an order like that.
 
interchange said:
I think Trump might actually have a legal argument for his action. If building the wall is seen as enforcing existing immigration law, executing the law is his actual job.

Not that I agree with his action in any way whatsoever, but if it stands on this principle I don't agree that it essentially expands Presidential power nearly to infinity. If a Democrat President were to try the same approach for, say, healthcare reform, they would only be able to do things within the scope of current law. That's far short of socialized healthcare.
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Enforcing immigration law would not be a legal defense or even close to one.

Just because laws exist does not mean the president can reallocate funds that congress has not appropriated. That’s illegal, and that’s what makes it a huge expansion of presidential power. Trump is also tasked with enforcing all federal criminal law but he can’t redirect health care funds to the DEA because he’s tasked with prosecuting marijuana offenders.

The constitution vests the power of spending with Congress, its the most important power they have. Now Trump is saying he can take that power over. Sure he might not be able to appropriate new funds but he’s saying once they are appropriated he can use them for whatever he wants by declaring a transparently fake emergency.
 
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