White House preparing draft national emergency order and identified $7B for wall

Thebobo

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Heard some talk about this on the tube and they are saying it will never fly mostly because congress controls the money and it's hardly an emergency. And emergency means imminent. how would building a wall which would take years fulfill that need.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Heard some talk about this on the tube and they are saying it will never fly mostly because congress controls the money and it's hardly an emergency. And emergency means imminent. how would building a wall which would take years fulfill that need.


Truman tried it during an actual time of war and he got smacked so hard he's still spinning in his grave.
 

fskimospy

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This is the surrender path I first identified and one I’m surprised Trump hasn’t taken until now. Apparently Jared Kushner has been telling Trump he could get Democrats to cave (because he is an incompetent moron), which may explain why Trump hasn’t taken it yet. So as we said weeks ago Trump declares the emergency, loses in court, and gets out of this without surrendering directly to Pelosi because that would be too humiliating.

I hope this comes to pass as it is frankly the best option around.
 

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He's been saying he'll declare an emergency for months now. That tells you how much of an "emergency" it actually is. Don't know how courts will respond because I'm unfamiliar with the governing law, which I heard is vague.
 
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fskimospy

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He's been saying he'll declare an emergency for months now. That tells you how much of an "emergency" it actually is. Don't know how courts will respond because I'm unfamiliar with the governing law, which I heard is vague.

For what it’s worth the reporting on the issue says that the administration itself anticipates that such a move will be blocked by the courts.

You’re right though, you never do know. One side that really would be horrific about this would be if Trump won in court. That would mean that the president could declare emergencies under transparently false pretenses, take money not appropriated by Congress and property not owned by the government, and use it to fund his own pet projects that he couldn’t get the legislature to pass. That sort of outcome would be nothing short of an existential threat to our system of government.
 

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It’s a bluff and they leaked to cnn on purpose

Who are they attempting to bluff with that? I suspect Democrats WANT him to do it. He very likely loses in court so he gets nothing he wants and then they use the fodder of him trying to steal money and people’s land against him.
 
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He’d definitely lose in courts but then could blame them and Dems and say well I tried.
It’s not trying when it’s something everyone knows well in advance will never pass judicial review. You’d have to be one of the dumbest people on the planet to think he tried and it’s not like Trumps supporters are that stu... yeah I heard myself saying it. Carry on.
 
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Thebobo

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What's interesting the building we were in were suppose to get out of because the lease was over. Wonder how they handle that. And now all my plants will be dead in my office if and when I go back :(
 

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The problem I see is that even if he loses in court he may still not allow the government to reopen. I think impeachment and conviction are required. What I don't know is if states have a mechanism to throw their senators out mid term and put somebody else in who will vote to convict. I just don't think a disaster like Trump can be allowed to continue.
 

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Who are they attempting to bluff with that? I suspect Democrats WANT him to do it. He very likely loses in court so he gets nothing he wants and then they use the fodder of him trying to steal money and people’s land against him.

I sure don't want him to. What if he wins? Then Trump effectively becomes dictator just like Hitler did under emergency powers.
 

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Republicans shut down the government many times and Americans didn't punish them for it. Lots either voted for GOP or didn't bother voting against it. So Americans deserve whatever pain they get from this shutdown. Maybe now they'll learn the lesson and clean house in 2020.
 
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The problem I see is that even if he loses in court he may still not allow the government to reopen. I think impeachment and conviction are required. What I don't know is if states have a mechanism to throw their senators out mid term and put somebody else in who will vote to convict. I just don't think a disaster like Trump can be allowed to continue.
If Trump has declared an emergency which seemingly provides the wall money already, keeping the government shut down anyways becomes completely politically unfeasible. (Court rulings blocking the move would take a certain amount of time to actually happen.) After at most a slight delay, Republicans in Congress worried about their political survival in 2020 would if necessary override a Trump veto to reopen the government at that point.
 
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The real thing that needs to happen is impeachment if he takes this action, but I doubt that'll actually be the case as people will focus on the courts as remedy for his abuse of power.
 

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The real thing that needs to happen is impeachment if he takes this action, but I doubt that'll actually be the case as people will focus on the courts as remedy for his abuse of power.

I don't believe Trump will escape impeachment & removal from office. The shutdown is just a distraction from his other problems, as would be declaring a state of emergency. He'll keep playing uproar, I'm sure, but it ultimately won't do him any good.