White? Dont teach here. Op Updated to address false 'racist' labal

[michal1980]

Your premise is flawed. You are grouping all white people into the same category whereas if you are white and grow up in south Texas you are a minority that is disliked just as much as any other and also growing up in poor school systems and DO know what it is like. This is also true in any neighborhood where other races are the predominant race - which there are plenty in America. So saying a white person couldn't possibly understand is flawed... like saying all white people come from privileged families/life when actually a lot of white people have their own family history filled with famine, migration, slavery, oppression, and working hard to build something from scratch when their ancestors came to America and even after.

The thing about History and why someone doesn't need to be a particular culture to teach it; is because like all subjects - it is taught from a book. Unless it is a debate class; personal lives and views should stay out of the classroom; especially under college age. In this case they are also picking a well qualified teacher to teach and they are dismissing him for possibly a less qualified teacher who will not teach the kids near as well just because he isn't their color... it promotes the same type of thinking they are trying to get rid of.

this

 

[michal1980]

http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/07/28/4044162/southwest-fresno-leaders-criticize.html

Blacks and Hispanics complain a WHITE teacher was hired at a public school.

talk about racists.

They want to be taught 'their' history. Where they come from.

Well they are in America, and should learn American history.

Don't like it, go back to where you came from to get 'your' history.

Update

Perknose. And others calling me a racists.

1) read the article

2) They- I was referring to the people that say blacks should be educated by blacks, and Hispanics, by Hispanics, the true racists. They had their say in the article, which if you would have bothered to read you would see.

Here are some quotes about the 'they' I refered too



and


and



That's who 'they' are you fools.


"They?" The bolded by me above is unacceptable. Take your crude racism elsewhere, please.

Perknose
Forum Director

So white supremacists did not patent their business model? Bad on them. Fuck all of you. Only intolerance you are all gonna need in this life is intolerance against intolerant folks like ie. you.

You like all the others calling me a racists, should read the article before dropping labels. Then maybe you'd have a clue as to who I was calling out.

Unless you want schools to have a new litmus test for teachers.

The part in red - that, as well as your thread title which exaggerates the situation (those protesting only wanted the teacher who is teaching black/Hispanic/Asian cultural/history classes to belong to one of those groups) - is why your post was called racist. AND THIS WAS EXPLAINED TO YOU IN MODERATOR DISCUSSIONS when you asked. If that's not how you meant it, perhaps you should have taken the time to clarify your position, rather than escalating the situation with a mod call-out. I'll de-escalate the situation by vacationing you for a few days - during that time, you'll still be able to post in moderator discussions; though that can be removed as well. -Admin DrPizza

 

[MrPickins]

You like all the others calling me a racists, should read the article before dropping labels. Then maybe you'd have a clue as to who I was calling out.

Unless you want schools to have a new litmus test for teachers.

Say what you will, 99% of people are going to find this racist:

They want to be taught 'their' history. Where they come from.

Well they are in America, and should learn American history.

Don't like it, go back to where you came from to get 'your' history.

 

[Whiskey16]

You like all the others calling me a racists, should read the article before dropping labels.

I submitted the second post. I certainly read the article. Unlike yourself, I even quoted your article to demonstrate your misrepresentation of it.

For your convenience and opportunity to respond to my questions, here again is that post:

~~~~~~~

Troll, you start a number of threads and then run off when challenged.

They [Blacks and Hispanics] want to be taught 'their' [Blacks and Hispanics] history. Where they [Blacks and Hispanics] come from.

Well they [Blacks and Hispanics] are in America, and should learn American history.

Don't like it, go back to where you [Blacks and Hispanics] came from to get 'your' [Blacks and Hispanics] history.

Please define for us:

• What "American history" is
• Why "Blacks and Hispanics" are separate from the US identity?
• Is US history only a single identity? White?
• Why must these uppity outsider to hush up and "to go back to where they came from?"

Here some hints michael1980, bigoted troll, for Hispanics, the US is the relative new kid in the South West's block. History lessons year zero in a region ought not to start with the USA.

Here, from your article:

With just weeks before the new Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School opens in southwest Fresno, community and church leaders are calling on Fresno Unified School District to reconsider its hiring of a white teacher to instruct African-American, Latino and Southeast Asian studies there.

As that's the course, it succinctly nullifies your complaint of:

They [Blacks and Hispanics] want to be taught 'their' [Blacks and Hispanics] history.

Well, yes they do expect that, and why not, as it's the subject of the course!

Clearly, your angst is partly of such an offensive course being offered. How dare a the monolithic myth of homogenous melting pot not be upheld, in all its white dominated purity???

At an early morning news conference Monday, a small group of concerned citizens led by Rev. Karen Crozier met in front of the school on Church Avenue and Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.


People at the gathering said the new school, which is the first southwest Fresno middle school in decades, needs teachers who reflect the ethnic and racial background of its students.

michael1980, rather than stick to the contentious issue of the race of the instructor, you made your troll thread to admonish the presence of blacks and Hispanics in your country, and demand them to submit to your pure views of national identity and history or "go back to where they came from...."

Seig Heil!

This forum's vocal membership expectedly and immorally disappoints. Like clockwork, the supremacist racial bigots regular make their published presence felt.

 

[michal1980]

I submitted the second post. I certainly read the article. Unlike yourself, I even quoted your article to demonstrate your misrepresentation of it.

For your convenience and opportunity to respond to my questions, here again is that post:

~~~~~~~

Troll, you start a number of threads and then run off when challenged.
Please define for us:

• What "American history" is
• Why "Blacks and Hispanics" are separate from the US identity?
• Is US history only a single identity? White?
• Why must these uppity outsider to hush up and "to go back to where they came from?"

Here some hints michael1980, bigoted troll, for Hispanics, the US is the relative new kid in the South West's block. History lessons year zero in a region ought not to start with the USA.

Here, from your article:

As that's the course, it succinctly nullifies your complaint of:

Well, yes they do expect that, and why not, as it's the subject of the course!

Clearly, your angst is partly of such an offensive course being offered. How dare a the monolithic myth of homogenous melting pot not be upheld, in all its white dominated purity???

michael1980, rather than stick to the contentious issue of the race of the instructor, you made your troll thread to admonish the presence of blacks and Hispanics in your country, and demand them to submit to your pure views of national identity and history or "go back to where they came from...."

Seig Heil!

This forum's vocal membership expectedly and immorally disappoints. Like clockwork, the supremacist racial bigots regular make their published presence felt.

So your the one saying blacks should teach black history.

And I'm the racist?

What other thoughts/words are you going to attribute to me to justify your hate?

When the outside demands that their race teach their history, and no other race be allowed to, then they should leave. America should be beyond such racism. But you are endorsing it.

 

[dank69]

Your premise is flawed. You are grouping all white people into the same category whereas if you are white and grow up in south Texas you are a minority that is disliked just as much as any other and also growing up in poor school systems and DO know what it is like. This is also true in any neighborhood where other races are the predominant race - which there are plenty in America. So saying a white person couldn't possibly understand is flawed... like saying all white people come from privileged families/life when actually a lot of white people have their own family history filled with famine, migration, slavery, oppression, and working hard to build something from scratch when their ancestors came to America and even after.

The thing about History and why someone doesn't need to be a particular culture to teach it; is because like all subjects - it is taught from a book. Unless it is a debate class; personal lives and views should stay out of the classroom; especially under college age. In this case they are also picking a well qualified teacher to teach and they are dismissing him for possibly a less qualified teacher who will not teach the kids near as well just because he isn't their color... it promotes the same type of thinking they are trying to get rid of.

Excuse me for a minute couple hours while I laugh for a LONG time at the notion that you, as a white person, have a family history of slavery.

 

[dank69]

You win. Sorry for my impertinence.

What? What do you mean I win? Are you conceding a specific point or the whole shebang?

 

[alzan]

What? What do you mean I win? Are you conceding a specific point or the whole shebang?

I think he's given up. The interpretation is yours.

With the unbanning/reappearance of the OP, who may or may not be racist but sure says some racist-like things, we appear to be back at square one.

 

[Whiskey16]

So your the one saying blacks should teach black history.

I said no such thing. You misrepresenting troll, how could you possibly conclude that by my statement of :

michael1980, rather than stick to the contentious issue of the race of the instructor....

I made no call either way upon the race of the instructor.

You misrepresented the story to deride the presence of blacks and Hispanics in your country with the call for "them" to return to "their own countries. "

And I'm the racist?

Yes, as supported by your words. This is not just my opinion.

 

[RandomWords]

xcuse me for a minute couple hours while I laugh for a LONG time at the notion that you, as a white person, have a family history of slavery

Have you ever cracked open more than one history book. I have Irish blood in me - Irish were held as slaves IN AMERICA and in a lot of cases since they were cheaper - were treated worse - blacks do not have an all inclusive ownership of slavery. ALL races kept slaves - and that includes black people - and ALL races have been slaves. In the 16th - 18th century Africans went up the European coast enslaving the Europeans - who are considered "white". The difference is - we don't look for a pity party.

 

[waggy]

Excuse me for a minute couple hours while I laugh for a LONG time at the notion that you, as a white person, have a family history of slavery.

you really need to open a history book. Blacks are not the only race to have been slaves.

 

[cytg111]

this

I learned very few useful things at uni but of em being "criticism of source.", you know your statistics, go figure it out, its not that hard.

 

[cytg111]

you really need to open a history book. Blacks are not the only race to have been slaves.

Seen District 9? Awsome flick. Also makes you think. If we cant handle our own how in *'s name are we're gonna handle someone elses.
This in an age where colonizing Mars is viable. I reject your way of thinking and move my eyes towards the sky. Possibilites, support CERN, The Large Hadron Collider. Support NASA, support SpaceX. Dont look inwards, look outwards.

 

[justoh]

Seen District 9? Awsome flick. Also makes you think. If we cant handle our own how in *'s name are we're gonna handle someone elses.
This in an age where colonizing Mars is viable. I reject your way of thinking and move my eyes towards the sky. Possibilites, support CERN, The Large Hadron Collider. Support NASA, support SpaceX. Dont look inwards, look outwards.

if by awesome you mean awful.

 

[dank69]

Have you ever cracked open more than one history book. I have Irish blood in me - Irish were held as slaves IN AMERICA and in a lot of cases since they were cheaper - were treated worse - blacks do not have an all inclusive ownership of slavery. ALL races kept slaves - and that includes black people - and ALL races have been slaves. In the 16th - 18th century Africans went up the European coast enslaving the Europeans - who are considered "white". The difference is - we don't look for a pity party.

you really need to open a history book. Blacks are not the only race to have been slaves.

Oh I am sorry, I thought you said family history, not somewhere in history. Yes I am aware white people have been slaves at certain points in history. My bad. Wait...

 

[realibrad]

Blah blah Blah

Minorities are apart of US history as long as that is confined to the experience in the US context. American History does not include pre slavery Africa. So when the OP said that "They" should learn "American" history, that inherently includes minority history in the US. When the OP said that if "They" wanted to learn your race's history from the native historical land, "They" should go back, he was referring to history from where ever is considered to be the native land of the race. Why would American history include what happened to blacks in Europe or pre slavery Africa?

To call the OP racist in this context, its to break the very first rule of this forum. You are getting quite close to being reported by me.

 

[dank69]

Minorities are apart of US history as long as that is confined to the experience in the US context. American History does not include pre slavery Africa. So when the OP said that "They" should learn "American" history, that inherently includes minority history in the US. When the OP said that if "They" wanted to learn your race's history from the native historical land, "They" should go back, he was referring to history from where ever is considered to be the native land of the race. Why would American history include what happened to blacks in Europe or pre slavery Africa?

To call the OP racist in this context, its to break the very first rule of this forum. You are getting quite close to being reported by me.

The bolded isn't part of the OP I don't think.

Are you saying we shouldn't teach anything other than American History in America? That seems to be what the OP is saying and you seem to be defending him.

 

[realibrad]

The bolded isn't part of the OP I don't think.

Are you saying we shouldn't teach anything other than American History in America? That seems to be what the OP is saying and you seem to be defending him.

The OP seems to be nationalistic, and wants the nations history taught, instead of individual minority histories. It goes along the lines of wanting people to "become" American and merge into the melting pot. Right or wrong, its nationalistic, and not racist.

 

[dank69]

The OP seems to be nationalistic, and wants the nations history taught, instead of individual minority histories. It goes along the lines of wanting people to "become" American and merge into the melting pot. Right or wrong, its nationalistic, and not racist.

And either way it is bigoted.

 

[realibrad]

Also, this comment by Karen in full context seems to say, "we did not fight to get a white person to teach us, we dont want a white person teaching our kids"

“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, one of the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/b...white-cultural-studies-teacher/#ixzz39iY4EdV4

 

[realibrad]

And either way it is bigoted.

Nationalism is bigoted, but I suppose so is choosing a sports team, or a political party.

 

[dank69]

Nationalism is bigoted, but I suppose so is choosing a sports team, or a political party.

Insomuch as choosing a sports team means you don't want other sports teams in your country and choosing a political party means you don't want other political parties in your country.

 

[realibrad]

Insomuch as choosing a sports team means you don't want other sports teams in your country and choosing a political party means you don't want other political parties in your country.

So, I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

A bigot has nothing to do with wanting people out of the country. I have checked every definition and I dont see that.

The word intolerance is used, but that means different things. You can be intolerance and not want people to talk to you. It can mean many different things.

Either way, Nationalism is not typically denoted with bad. The OP does not seem to be racist, but Nationalistic and wanting minorities to conform to his view of "American" society.

 

[Retro Rob]

Nationalism is bigoted, but I suppose so is choosing a sports team, or a political party.

...or choosing a favorite food, or having a favortie TV program, or....

 

[dank69]

So, I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

A bigot has nothing to do with wanting people out of the country. I have checked every definition and I dont see that.

The word intolerance is used, but that means different things. You can be intolerance and not want people to talk to you. It can mean many different things.

Either way, Nationalism is not typically denoted with bad. The OP does not seem to be racist, but Nationalistic and wanting minorities to conform to his view of "American" society.

Right, he doesn't want any history other than American History taught in America. I'm pretty sure that fits the definition of bigotry in a very different way than choosing a sports team, political party, etc.