Which is worse terrorist or socialist?

[Perknose]

unfortunately this seems to be becoming more and more true.

Example?

Never said it was true - I said it's becoming more and more like it's true.

Lol @ Mr. Slippery, up to his old tricks once again.

I'm not saying you're a slippery word weasel, just more and more like a slippery word weasel! :awe:

 

[Acanthus]

We can all play these stupid games. So stop being retarded.

LOL Capitalism!

 

[dahunan]

We can all play these stupid games. So stop being retarded.

LOL Capitalism!

nice... and /tear at same time

I think the poster might be real and is in the boardroom at The World Bank

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Anyone for a ride?

 

[Craig234]

They're the same thing.

And your head and a rock...

 

[Zebo]

U really need to study islam. There is no democracy it's all based on an inflexible immutable law called sharia. Socialism is the ultimate democracy right down to workers voting for their bosses. This is like comparing black and white.

Spend a week at world socialist website and a week a nefa.org reading terrorists communiques. You'll recognize a world of difference.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

U really need to study islam. There is no democracy it's all based on an inflexible immutable law called sharia. Socialism is the ultimate democracy right down to workers voting for their bosses. This is like comparing black and white.

Islam != terrorism.

 

[BoberFett]

Well I have a solution. If some people think the US is sooo bad and socialist why dont they go to a truly libertarian country that lets corporations and individuals do what they want. There are no taxes, you can exclude anyone you want from your establishment and land is free for the taking.

Where is this you ask?

Somalia....

Why do idiots always conflate libertarianism to anarchy?

Libertarians recognize government is a necessary evil. It's necessary, but it's also evil, so try to minimize it. Morons like you seem to think that the goal is zero government.

Go back to wherever you came from, P&N has enough idiots without new ones coming around.

 

[Zebo]

islam != terrorism.

lol Please move to a Muslim country and get back to me. EVERYONE is terrorized. Not quite Muslim enough especially.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

lol Please move to a Muslim country and get back to me. EVERYONE is terrorized. Not quite Muslim enough especially.

Negatory.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And your head and a rock...

Was that a threat to stone me? Further proof that Islamist terrorism and Euro-style socialism are one and the same.

 

[manimal]

Why do idiots always conflate libertarianism to anarchy?

Libertarians recognize government is a necessary evil. It's necessary, but it's also evil, so try to minimize it. Morons like you seem to think that the goal is zero government.

Go back to wherever you came from, P&N has enough idiots without new ones coming around.

Congratulations, only the true fool and simpleton escalates to insults in a civil conversation. The point I was trying to make was the times we live in are not simple. Libertarians are quick to say abolish the FDA, abolish the Department of Education, remove all oversight of business and allow them to police themselves because the true capitalism in the only solution.

We can see what was wrought by these libertarian ideals. Deregulation much like Reagen's deregulation created a vacuum of responsibility, While no single person is responsible for all of the ills of the last few years removing the safeguards that kept investment banks and commercial and retail banks separate created the backdrop of the current financial crisis. If past is prologue we should have known better after the savings and loan crisis. Too bad we didnt.....

Politics has become too polarizing with people such as yourself incapable of having civil discourse in a public forum without resulting in brick-bats... Rigid absolutism is the byproduct of a generation of fear mongering and name calling. If someone disagrees with you they must be an idiot and must be forced to see your world view. I truly feel sorry for your ilk because you will truly never be happy unless the world conforms to your myopic and sad vision of reality.

Sadly you are not alone, when people only get their news and information from one source they are doomed to repeat what they hear. If only people took the time to challenge their own ideas not surround themselves with things that support their ignorance.

I used to be a republican and worked and fund raised for several republicans over the last 30 years. Sadly I have seen the republican party co-opted by zealots and ideologues with no practical knowledge of what it takes to compromise. If you look at the retiring Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens he by most of his peers at the zenith of his career was considered a Liberal. The truth of the matter is he was appointed by a Republican and was considered at the time of his posting to be very conservative. The crux of my point is the US has taken many steps to the right over the last 40 years. So many infact that people who used to be clearly conservative now appear to be pinko liberals.

The funniest part of this whole thread was that it was clearly a troll thread trying to incite the weak into flames. It appears it succeeded.

Lastly I would like to point out your comment about me leaving or more accurately going back to wherever I came from, well I choose to be where I am, that is the beauty of a democracy. If you truly are a libertarian than how does telling someone they do not belong somewhere jive in your little sad play of a life?

In regards to to your only coherent point "The necessary Evils" of government I will posit this: If what you say is true then would the work of the last two years to prevent a Long and protracted Great Depression be allowed the same rationale? Can we stop the constant socialism name calling because thats exactly the same overly simplistic Devil's advocate position I took in this obvious troll thread. If you want to debate Keynesian economics I would relish the opportunity to learn something from someone point of view. What I wont do is listen to more name calling and vilification by a deluded minority who thinks its in the majority.

Peace!

Edit: I just realized your tag says your from Minneapolis, Are you Barbara Bachman in a mandelorian suit?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The funniest part of this whole thread was that it was clearly a troll thread trying to incite the weak into flames.

The way you framed your previous post was similar to the OP. As I'm sure you know there exists no purely socialist state. China is about as close as it gets, yet it's economy depends on trade with more capitalistic societies.

If I were to characterize the Socialist as you have Libertarians then all means of production are owned by the state and you live or die at it's pleasure- See Mao and Stalin.

Your "Somalia" scenario is absurd on the face of it.

While people run around yelling "socialist" as if it were a legendary bird which runs into a sack at night when hunted the equal but opposite view is no more valid. Perhaps you were using hyperbole as a means to counter that?

In any case there are issues which arise where the individual and collective rights conflict. In theory our government is a tool to resolve such issues, however in practice governments tend to do so in a way that increases its power. At that point its not the one vs the many, but citizens vs government. We ought to be continually aware of that latter point. My "libertarian" part believes that the proper role of government is to serve the people, not the reverse, and no I am not against taxes. I am however against taxes being seen as a resolution to problems which are not addressed, just continued by the poor stewardship of our elected.

 

[BoberFett]

Blah blah blah, blow me Manimal. You're as big a troll as the rest of us in this forum.

Or did you not realize this whole forum is just one big trolling match?

 

[manimal]

The way you framed your previous post was similar to the OP. As I'm sure you know there exists no purely socialist state. China is about as close as it gets, yet it's economy depends on trade with more capitalistic societies.

If I were to characterize the Socialist as you have Libertarians then all means of production are owned by the state and you live or die at it's pleasure- See Mao and Stalin.

Your "Somalia" scenario is absurd on the face of it.

While people run around yelling "socialist" as if it were a legendary bird which runs into a sack at night when hunted the equal but opposite view is no more valid. Perhaps you were using hyperbole as a means to counter that?

In any case there are issues which arise where the individual and collective rights conflict. In theory our government is a tool to resolve such issues, however in practice governments tend to do so in a way that increases its power. At that point its not the one vs the many, but citizens vs government. We ought to be continually aware of that latter point. My "libertarian" part believes that the proper role of government is to serve the people, not the reverse, and no I am not against taxes. I am however against taxes being seen as a resolution to problems which are not addressed, just continued by the poor stewardship of our elected.

Excellent post Hay-

And yes I did think the Somalia part was overreaching, and a little funny-

 

[Anarchist420]

Socialism is terrorism, because if you don't pay what you're forced to, then you'll be the victim of governmental violence.

 

[Tristicus]

Both are scum.

 

[Craig234]

Was that a threat to stone me? Further proof that Islamist terrorism and Euro-style socialism are one and the same.

No, it was naming two similar things.

 

[Craig234]

Socialism is terrorism, because if you don't pay what you're forced to, then you'll be the victim of governmental violence.

Welcome to the tax-free world of Anarchist, where there are no organized groups who exploit others. That's happened a lot in history!

Let's get rid of any forces accountable to the public to protect them from criminal organizations like gangs and mafia, from dictators who arise in anarchy.

As I said before, no thread should be locked again as a troll thread, when this crap was not locked.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

I'm not sure what you're asking - socialism is a political ideology, while terrorism is a crusade to cause fear and push insane religion. Both believe they are doing the right thing, but only one (socialism) really infects a government. The other is mostly a military operation with a PR element.

 

[Patranus]

Socialists are terrorists.

They use the class warfare to generate fear and use that fear to further their political agenda.

 

[Jaskalas]

Socialism is political, terrorism is warfare.

War is obviously worse than politics, though not by much.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Socialists are terrorists.
They use the class warfare to generate fear and use that fear to further their political agenda.

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

Warren Buffett, New York Times, November 26, 2006.

 

[mav451]

Ugh Buffet said that? Holy shit *shaking head*

 

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

i don't agree with socialism but their are some useful ideas from it but comparing it terrorism is a stretch