Which is worse terrorist or socialist?

[Perknose]

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

Warren Buffett, New York Times, November 26, 2006.

Ugh Buffet said that? Holy shit *shaking head*

Yeah, a lifelong establishment capitalist without a single radical bone in his body tells it like it is.

Don't take this in and let it change your perspective any, though. Just shake your head and cling to your pre-established beliefs.

 

[mav451]

Yeah, a lifelong establishment capitalist without a single radical bone in his body tells it like it is.

Don't take this in and let it change your perspective any, though. Just shake your head and cling to your pre-established beliefs.

Amazing what you deducted from me shaking my head. Just ATOT's P&N section living up to its billing of black&white logic.

 

[Perknose]

Amazing what you deducted from me shaking my head. Just ATOT's P&N section living up to its billing of black&white logic.

You are entirely correct and I apologize for my presumptuousness.

But since I have your ear, allow me to ask: What deeper and more reflective response do you have to Mr. Buffet's statement?

 

[mav451]

Well I took the quote at face value, until I realized it came from a Ben Stein article (which I just read).

Further, in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesn’t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires. “How can this be fair?” he asked of how little he pays relative to his employees. “How can this be right?”

I think it's that when Buffet adds, "is it fair (that he's paying less taxes on his income)" - well no, it isn't fair. But it's not like Buffet is going to want to do anything about it. It's almost like false empathy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well I took the quote at face value, until I realized it came from a Ben Stein article (which I just read).



I think it's that when Buffet adds, "is it fair (that he's paying less taxes on his income)" - well no, it isn't fair. But it's not like Buffet is going to want to do anything about it. It's almost like false empathy.

I don't think he'd do anything against it either, but before we go into the "greedy" rich understand that he's given more to philanthropic interests than DC would take for their own purposes.

He's ridiculously frugal, however he is not a Scrooge.


Back to the usual hackery.

 

[Perknose]

Well I took the quote at face value, until I realized it came from a Ben Stein article (which I just read).

I think it's that when Buffet adds, "is it fair (that he's paying less taxes on his income)" - well no, it isn't fair. But it's not like Buffet is going to want to do anything about it. It's almost like false empathy.

So, your "deeper and more reflective response" to this startling insight is . . . to dismiss it . . . because you believe that Warren Buffet himself, famous for being quite apolitical for such a (reluctantly) public figure and uh, busy doing other things, hasn't devoted himself to leading a public crusade against it.

Got it.

Nevertheless, your stated claim, and I quote, "But it's not like Buffet is going to want to do anything about it. It's almost like false empathy" is easily proved FALSE by the very article you claim to have read.

Here's EXACTLY what he does, which costs him plenty of money, btw:

Further, in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesn’t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires.

No doing "nothing."

No "false empathy" there at all.

By doing this, he is personally doing plenty, putting his own money where his mouth is.

You read the article. You even quoted the very evidence you so smugly and cavalierly dismiss! And you do so IN the very post where you dismiss it!
How can this be? Ask yourself why. Perhaps my original suspicion about you was spot on after all.

Oh, when you quote from an article, please be so kind as to link to it.

Put simply, the rich pay a lot of taxes as a total percentage of taxes collected, but they don’t pay a lot of taxes as a percentage of what they can afford to pay, or as a percentage of what the government needs to close the deficit gap.

Mr. Buffett compiled a data sheet of the men and women who work in his office. He had each of them make a fraction; the numerator was how much they paid in federal income tax and in payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare, and the denominator was their taxable income. The people in his office were mostly secretaries and clerks, though not all.

It turned out that Mr. Buffett, with immense income from dividends and capital gains, paid far, far less as a fraction of his income than the secretaries or the clerks or anyone else in his office.

Further, in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesn’t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires.

“How can this be fair?” he asked of how little he pays relative to his employees. “How can this be right?”

Even though I agreed with him, I warned that whenever someone tried to raise the issue, he or she was accused of fomenting class warfare.

“There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

 

[piasabird]

A terrorists believes and is willing to die for what he believes in.

A socialist believes in nothing, is godless, and wants you to die because he is too scared to risk his own life.

 

[theeedude]

A terrorists believes and is willing to die for what he believes in.

A socialist believes in nothing, is godless, and wants you to die because he is too scared to risk his own life.

Hehe, let me guess, you believe in God?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Why am I reminded of a violent arguement without anyone having a clue what it's about?

 

[JS80]

Terrorists you can kill. Socialists you have to live with.

 

[manimal]

Words like socialism and terrorism are bandied about to illicit a formulated response. Were the founding fathers terrorists? Hot button social issues are there to inveigle and obfuscate the real problems at hand.
What Warren Buffet said is essentially true, while the robber barons of old do not get to run rough shod new unregulated markets like derivatives in the shadow markets are no different than what transpired in the lead-up to regulation reform in the late 1800s.
While I can personally say that acts of terrorism are wrong and taking life for what ever the reason is unjust. The thing is are we any better? Is bombing civilian areas where terrorist may be just in the eyes of the rest of the world? Is holding people without trial or just representation any way to lead by example? When I traveled after the Obama election the excitement and relief expressed by many in Italy, France, Germany, Chile, Argentina, was amazing. The foreign policy decisions of the Bush administration created a massive PR mess internationally that created space and recruitment tools for a new generation of terrorist.
If we were to look at the US during the manifest destiny period what using our modern sensibilities would we think about the way we treated Mexico and the remainder of the indigenous people of the Americas? Lets not forget that within those times was the loose belief that anglo saxon race was superior and justified in the war with Mexico. Can countries who are younger than the US have their own manifest destiny period?

Socialism is the new communism. Its been thrust out to scare the kids with propaganda and misinformation. Socialism, communism, capitalism,caste system, etc are not inherently evil. Its their implementation that leads to evil for man is unchecked the personification of evil.

Extremism is a more correct definition than terrorism. Lets worry less about labels and more about the root causes of extremism. Lack of education, Lack of opportunity, Lack civil rights are the building blocks of extremism. Sadly these things are present here in the US as well. Home grown extremeism is at an all time high. What are we doing to prevent it?

 

[mav451]

So, your "deeper and more reflective response" to this startling insight is . . . to dismiss it . . . because you believe that Warren Buffet himself, famous for being quite apolitical for such a (reluctantly) public figure and uh, busy doing other things, hasn't devoted himself to leading a public crusade against it.

Got it.

Nevertheless, your stated claim, and I quote, "But it's not like Buffet is going to want to do anything about it. It's almost like false empathy" is easily proved FALSE by the very article you claim to have read.

Here's EXACTLY what he does, which costs him plenty of money, btw:
No doing "nothing."

No "false empathy" there at all.

By doing this, he is personally doing plenty, putting his own money where his mouth is.

You read the article. You even quoted the very evidence you so smugly and cavalierly dismiss! And you do so IN the very post where you dismiss it!
How can this be? Ask yourself why. Perhaps my original suspicion about you was spot on after all.

Oh, when you quote from an article, please be so kind as to link to it.

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Again, wow. You are making mountains out of mole hills. He said he is winning the class war - BECAUSE - he is paying a smaller fraction of taxes on his income, compared to his clerks/secretaries/etc. True he is not "cheating" the system per-say, by paying his taxes without much meandering. That's great. But all he has is words, in an interview about how his underlings are getting pwned. Has he influenced the political process at all? Has anything changed in the tax system since then to be more fair for people who are getting taxed more, as a fraction of income? No.

 

[Zebo]

you're as big a troll as the rest of us in this forum.

lolz

 

[Craig234]

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Again, wow. You are making mountains out of mole hills. He said he is winning the class war - BECAUSE - he is paying a smaller fraction of taxes on his income, compared to his clerks/secretaries/etc.

No, that's not what he said. He was making a far, far broader comment about class war that you don't get. And he's right about that.

Want to see a scorecard?

Look at the numbers of the top 0.01% - their increase in wealth the last 30 years, the skyrocketing concentration of wealth.

 

[Hacp]

No, that's not what he said. He was making a far, far broader comment about class war that you don't get. And he's right about that.

Want to see a scorecard?

Look at the numbers of the top 0.01% - their increase in wealth the last 30 years, the skyrocketing concentration of wealth.

If he were so concerned about paying taxes, why doesn't he give some of his wealth to the IRS? The will gladly take his money.

 

[CallMeJoe]

If he were so concerned about paying taxes, why doesn't he give some of his wealth to the IRS? The will gladly take his money.

Mr. Buffett doesn't have that much left over after the charitable trusts he's set up.

 

[Craig234]

If he were so concerned about paying taxes, why doesn't he give some of his wealth to the IRS? The will gladly take his money.

I rarely say duh, but duh. You don't understand the concept of taxes.

"If you like the idea of stop signs so much, YOU stop at the intersection."

Taxes are not about one person. They're about the society paying for society's needs.

If Warren Buffet gave every cent to the government, it'd be a drop in the bucket of this nation of 300 million.The point is that the rich are undertaxed compared to others.

'Winning the class war only his side is fighting', while on the other side like you are traitors.

 

[Colt45]

Troll harder bitches.

 

[Robor]

Blah blah blah, blow me Manimal. You're as big a troll as the rest of us in this forum.

Or did you not realize this whole forum is just one big trolling match?

So true... I haven't been following this site like I used to but figured I'd drop by and have a look. Nothing has changed. Carry on...

 

[umbrella39]

The terrorists are compensating males trying to beat everyone down to escape the humiliation of their failing cultures (that degraded them at home and in the madrassas)

The socialists and liberals etc are comprised of feminized men - and the angry, willful women that create them (think the Clintons).

Both the terrorists and libs are emotional thinkers who are subsequently irrational. The more emotional and irrational they become the more they view the center and normality with hostility.

Feminized, liberal homosexuals will hate Christianity as much as the Terrorists do despite fact the terrorists want to throw them off buildings (the proscribed method).

Like a woman with battered woman's syndrome, libs embrace bullies and dictators etc. People without character who give in to bullies usually dont see their capitulations as cowardice but as a higher form of love and understanding. Their real rage they save for safe targets - often the people actually standing up to the bully (who libs see as the real problem and not the bully).

Libs are programmed to self destruct on a personal level and collectively they pull a nation down by always excusing wrong and attacking anyone not as dysfunctional as them (they see these people as evil because they feel persecuted by them inwardly - they remind them of what they have lost - they especially hate innocence which is why they can't do kids in fast enough).

Terrorists also do themselves and their societies in - all the time feeling holy (like libs).

Both extremes have big egos that call for an exaggerated sense of self and desire for recognition (like lib celebs). They are two horns on the same goat. Just think of libs and terrorists as abnormal and filling out the two extremes of failure on each side of the center.

As our feminized society becomes more perverse, cowardly and dysfunctional (which feeeeels like progress to libs) the male compensating terrorists become more emboldened. We are watching this now as Muslim groups set out Islamicize the US with libs help.

Libs are like the nutty scientist from the 1950's movies who always see the monster trying to destroy people as a beautiful creation that needs to be preserved. They did this with the USSR before the Muslim terrorists

Wow you are a busy little sock puppet. You typed all that with someones fist up your ass! Congrats.

 

[umbrella39]

Socialists are terrorists.

The GOP uses the class warfare to generate fear and use that fear to further their political agenda.

Fixed for ya. Easiest fix ever winnar.

 

[Hacp]

I rarely say duh, but duh. You don't understand the concept of taxes.

"If you like the idea of stop signs so much, YOU stop at the intersection."

Taxes are not about one person. They're about the society paying for society's needs.

If Warren Buffet gave every cent to the government, it'd be a drop in the bucket of this nation of 300 million.The point is that the rich are undertaxed compared to others.

'Winning the class war only his side is fighting', while on the other side like you are traitors.

So you mean he's fine with the government taking and using other people's money. Why are people always so generous with others' money?

 

[BoberFett]

lolz

Hey, I just call it like I see it. Every asshole in this forum, me included, is just trying to beat everybody else down with as big a stick as possible. There's no rational discussion here.

 

[Craig234]

So you mean he's fine with the government taking and using other people's money. Why are people always so generous with others' money?

Let's get rid of all taxes. If you disagree, you're a thief who is generous with other people's money.

 

[TehMac]

Good news! I found an answer to this very troubling question. And what's so awesome is that the Taliban were kind enough to give me their answer

by Marlou Visser

The Taliban thanks the PvdA [Labour Party, Socialists] for the upcoming departure of Dutch troops form Uruzgan. The radical Islamic terrorist organization says it hopes the PvdA will again become part of the Dutch government so that there will be a lasting friendly policy “toward Afghanistan”.

Apparently a vote for socialism is also a vote for the Taliban/global terrorist domination. Great work boys, talk amongst yourselves.