When will this honeymoon with Obama end?

[StageLeft]

Don't get me wrong, I think he's the best of the current lot, but I see over-the-top brown-nosing, even by our resident Bush-lovers.

As things heat up I expect the normal rabid Obama and McCain fans that we'll see up until the final election, but this is something different, it's like people have been taken under his spell and I just wonder what its longevity is...I simply cannot believe that all of you are really so calm and composed and objective to see nothing but good in him and turn all criticisms into an unintended positive.

Just as Hildebeast probably isn't as bad as most people seem to think, I cannot believe that some of the criticism of Obama is not both warranted and accurate.

 

[fskimospy]

His longevity will last exactly as long as it takes for him to wrap up the nomination. As soon as that happens a large percentage of the people painting him as 'reasonable', blah blah, will miraculously find all sorts of things terribly wrong with him that makes them change their position.

If you really want to see when it will happen keep checking the right wing blogs and websites. If Obama wins you'll see them shift their attacks to him from Hillary in the next month or two, and the people here will follow suit shortly thereafter.

What I find funny is that Hillary and Obama have almost identical platforms, yet people constantly attack the awful things they think Hillary will do to the country and look to the guy who wants to do 98% of the same things as their saviour. I mean I like them both so it doesn't really matter to me, but I feel like a lot of people don't.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
His longevity will last exactly as long as it takes for him to wrap up the nomination. As soon as that happens a large percentage of the people painting him as 'reasonable', blah blah, will miraculously find all sorts of things terribly wrong with him that makes them change their position.

If you really want to see when it will happen keep checking the right wing blogs and websites. If Obama wins you'll see them shift their attacks to him from Hillary in the next month or two, and the people here will follow suit shortly thereafter.

What I find funny is that Hillary and Obama have almost identical platforms, yet people constantly attack the awful things they think Hillary will do to the country and look to the guy who wants to do 98% of the same things as their saviour. I mean I like them both so it doesn't really matter to me, but I feel like a lot of people don't.

Actually I see most people on here recognize the similarity in all the Dems platforms, but they feel the Obama presidency will be of a different tone than a Clinton one. I agree that the tone will be different. I don't agree that a conciliatory unifying tone will help get anything more done with the opposition party than the badgering balls to the wall scrapfest that would be Hillary v Congress. Reps will not want to raise taxes, ban guns, support stem cell research, bring the troops home, etc. No matter how prettily you ask. Nor how seductivly you dance.

 

[Arkaign]

Yep. Obama is overwhelmingly positive in his public statements and attitudes. It's a far cry from pretty much anyone else on the campaign trail at this point. Everyone else seems to be looking back at the past, and Obama is looking towards the future.

 

[nageov3t]

man, you're thinking about criticizing him? you're such a racist :roll: why don't you just join the klan already?

 

[AnnonUSA]

Obama is a typical Democrat, he is looking to the future, with our checkbook in his hands......

 

[Pabster]

On one hand, it is difficult to attack someone who is overwhelmingly positive. Hence why McCain wasn't criticized much early on, as he had ran a fairly positive campaign. The present is a totally different story.

There will be plenty of time to "attack" Obama and McCain or whoever the nominees will be.

One thing is certain, however; An Obama nomination will be a victory for this country, because we'll be able to discuss and debate real, substantive issues...instead of reliving Days Of Our Lives, starring Billary.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Regardless of whether he wins or not, the media needs to be taken to task for it's blind cheerleading for Obama. Regardless of your opinions on Obama, or any other candidate, it is not the medias place to choose a candidate. NBC is flat out in love with him.

 

[Pabster]

They're flat-out in love with McCain, too. For now.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
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What I find funny is that Hillary and Obama have almost identical platforms, yet people constantly attack the awful things they think Hillary will do to the country and look to the guy who wants to do 98% of the same things as their saviour. I mean I like them both so it doesn't really matter to me, but I feel like a lot of people don't.

I gotta agree with sirjonk.

I recognize that their platforms are the same. It is the expected TONE of their campaigns and style of governing that are different.

I think this lack of criticism could change even BEFORE the primaries are concluded. Obama needs to avoid getting down in the mud with Billary and remain above those tactics to continue enjoying a criticism-free primary campaign.

I for one do NOT expect to be singing praises of his policy stances once the general election campaign begins. I WILL have criticisms of those. However, unlike with HRC, I do NOT expect to have crticisms of a personal nature about him (lying, distorting, cheating, arrogance, unbridled personal ambition etc).

As some here may credit me, I can respect people those with whom I disagree. I honestly look forward to that experience with a President Obama. I expect to disagree with him without disliking him.

These things are significant differences to me personally.

Fern


(H3ll, it IS the Dem platform. As to the details of each, IMO it's unimportant. By the time they get through Congress those details will chamnge anyway)

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Obama is a typical Democrat, he is looking to the future, with our checkbook in his hands......

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Hey. GWB has been really looking to the future--GWB done spent your checkbook and is now working on your unborn grandchildren's checkbook.

But I used to think of Obama as that Joe Biden clean cut kid. Until Obama opened his mouth and said a few disturbing things. And suddenly I find he is not just what I want him to be and the image does not quite match the substance.

So I then look at the other jerks in the race and discover they are even worse which puts things in perspective. No matter what, we are doomed to less than ideal leadership.

But since, IMHO, the republirats are totally putrid and the demorats are less putrid, my choice is either Hillary or Obama. With a guarantee either will be attacked with an armada of swiftboats. The Hillary armada is already sailing and has been 17 years in the making. And the Obama swiftboats are still under construction. I can only take cheer in the fact that no one will
postulate that Obama has fathered a lily white baby. Other than that, I expect to see and hear all manner of sleeze as this campaign progresses.

 

[Arkaign]

Well said, Fern. I hope that regardless of our next President, we can start to heal this country's gaping partisan wounds.

 

[Moonbeam]

How much bad can you say about Abraham Lincoln?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
His longevity will last exactly as long as it takes for him to wrap up the nomination. As soon as that happens a large percentage of the people painting him as 'reasonable', blah blah, will miraculously find all sorts of things terribly wrong with him that makes them change their position.

If you really want to see when it will happen keep checking the right wing blogs and websites. If Obama wins you'll see them shift their attacks to him from Hillary in the next month or two, and the people here will follow suit shortly thereafter.

What I find funny is that Hillary and Obama have almost identical platforms, yet people constantly attack the awful things they think Hillary will do to the country and look to the guy who wants to do 98% of the same things as their saviour. I mean I like them both so it doesn't really matter to me, but I feel like a lot of people don't.

Your theory is interesting, but I suspect not entirely accurate. It's also interesting that many on the right have the same theory regarding the MSM cheerleading of McCain and his Hollywood endorsements. The general feeling being that they see McCain as weak and vulnerable in a general election and are just itching to use him as bait to destroy the Conservative base.

You are correct that from a policy standpoint, there isn't a huge difference between Obama and Billary. They're both similarly planted in the left field of the political sphere. However, there is (I believe) a night and day difference in their hearts and intentions, as well as their ability (or lack of it) to compromise and get something done for the good of the country.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How much bad can you say about Abraham Lincoln?

Don't even start. Abe was f*cking horrible. Jailing journalists, letting Sherman cut a bloody swath of American civilians to shreds, 'freeing' slaves that already lived in the north but not the south, and so on. He was dirt.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Well said, Fern. I hope that regardless of our next President, we can start to heal this country's gaping partisan wounds.

yea sure....

 

[Lemon law]

Since the Partisan wounds are mainly Newt Gingrich republican inspired with new Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and GWB extra added ingredients, the solution is clear, get rid of the republirats
in congress and the Presidency and problem solved.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How much bad can you say about Abraham Lincoln?

Don't even start. Abe was f*cking horrible. Jailing journalists, letting Sherman cut a bloody swath of American civilians to shreds, 'freeing' slaves that already lived in the north but not the south, and so on. He was dirt.

Yep, and the US no longer exists because of him and blacks are still slaves. Wait...

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How much bad can you say about Abraham Lincoln?

Don't even start. Abe was f*cking horrible. Jailing journalists, letting Sherman cut a bloody swath of American civilians to shreds, 'freeing' slaves that already lived in the north but not the south, and so on. He was dirt.

Yep, and the US no longer exists because of him and blacks are still slaves. Wait...

I never claimed anything that drastic. But the fact remains he did many terrible things.

Suspended/Ignored Habeus Corpus
Waged brutal war on US Civilians
Jailed Journalists who didn't agree with his policies
'Freed' Slaves during the war who were in fact, already in the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation

"The proclamation did not free any slaves in the border states (Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia), or any southern state already under Union control."

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How much bad can you say about Abraham Lincoln?

Don't even start. Abe was f*cking horrible. Jailing journalists, letting Sherman cut a bloody swath of American civilians to shreds, 'freeing' slaves that already lived in the north but not the south, and so on. He was dirt.

Yep, and the US no longer exists because of him and blacks are still slaves. Wait...

I never claimed anything that drastic. But the fact remains he did many terrible things.

Suspended/Ignored Habeus Corpus
Waged brutal war on US Civilians
Jailed Journalists who didn't agree with his policies
'Freed' Slaves during the war who were in fact, already in the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation

"The proclamation did not free any slaves in the border states (Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia), or any southern state already under Union control."

AFAIK, slaves who escaped to the north were required by law to be returned. They weren't actually free...

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How much bad can you say about Abraham Lincoln?

Don't even start. Abe was f*cking horrible. Jailing journalists, letting Sherman cut a bloody swath of American civilians to shreds, 'freeing' slaves that already lived in the north but not the south, and so on. He was dirt.

Yep, and the US no longer exists because of him and blacks are still slaves. Wait...

I never claimed anything that drastic. But the fact remains he did many terrible things.

Suspended/Ignored Habeus Corpus
Waged brutal war on US Civilians
Jailed Journalists who didn't agree with his policies
'Freed' Slaves during the war who were in fact, already in the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation

"The proclamation did not free any slaves in the border states (Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia), or any southern state already under Union control."

Do you really think Abraham Lincoln was going to be so stupid as to free slaves in the border states still in the Union at a time where things weren't going so well for the Union?

The Union would've still won in the end, but at a much greater price.

 

[miketheidiot]

if you want to debate the merits of Lincoln's presidency go make your own thread.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

It's just a big circle jerk fest on how great Obama is.

That's all I'm getting from people.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Pabster
On one hand, it is difficult to attack someone who is overwhelmingly positive. Hence why McCain wasn't criticized much early on, as he had ran a fairly positive campaign. The present is a totally different story.

There will be plenty of time to "attack" Obama and McCain or whoever the nominees will be.

One thing is certain, however; An Obama nomination will be a victory for this country, because we'll be able to discuss and debate real, substantive issues...instead of reliving Days Of Our Lives, starring Billary.

That much is certain :thumbsup:

 

[manowar821]

When he stops being an actual decent candidate, versus all the rest.