Originally posted by: cliftonite
Schools policy says:
The goal of every member of our police, security, emergency services and parking and transportation departments is to provide for a safe, secure, enjoyable and fulfilling university experience.
Originally posted by: eleison
Some people have an irrational hated of guns. I do not. If knifes are killing more pople (regardless if they are more common... regardless if they are cheaper... etc.), why wouldn't you want to focus on the knife instead of the gun? A person who is dead is still dead -- be it by knife... by gun.. by fighting... he is still dead..
If people truely care about the well being of other people getting murdered they should figure out why... saying the banning guns will solve the murder issue (especially in Britian) makes no sense when most of the murders are from knifes... unless of course, these people have an irrational fear/hatred of guns...
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Atheus
They'd better - what else is gonna save me? A bunch of armed vigilantes?
you're right... be like water.. no one will save you...
http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Save-Lives-Americans-Defending/dp/1559502266
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: eleison
Some people have an irrational hated of guns. I do not. If knifes are killing more pople (regardless if they are more common... regardless if they are cheaper... etc.), why wouldn't you want to focus on the knife instead of the gun? A person who is dead is still dead -- be it by knife... by gun.. by fighting... he is still dead..
If people truely care about the well being of other people getting murdered they should figure out why... saying the banning guns will solve the murder issue (especially in Britian) makes no sense when most of the murders are from knifes... unless of course, these people have an irrational fear/hatred of guns...
I think you're missing the point. The fact that knives are the largest killer in Britain is very very likely to be because guns are so hard to come by. This is more of a statemet to Britain's effective gun control then the dangerousness of knives.
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I don't think guns should be eliminated, but there should be better restrictions on the types of guns people can have. Not that I think it would have helped here, as I think the VA Tech guy used a shotgun (correct me if I'm wrong). I also think there should be many more restrictions or requirements on getting them.
This being said, somehow and someway the wrong people are going to get a hold of guns they shouldn't have. I don't think we can eliminate that through rules and regulations, at least not completely, but we've got to start somewhere. There are other ways of trying to fix that, but you can't think you're going to fix the entire problem with one solution, and keep everyone happy. It's got to be broken into step and these steps need to start being taken.
Ok... What type of guns do you think should be restricted? How about the so called "assault weapons"? It sounds nice but when you look at the statistics its pointless and a waste of time. First of all, the definition the legislators use for assault weapons is completely absurd. "Assault weapons" are currently readily available to law abiding citizens (using the definition the legislators use). Yet, less than 3% of gun crimes involve a weapon that "resembles" an assault weapon. In general assault weapons are to expensive and bulky for criminals to consider using. You could ban every single rifle in existence, including hunting rifles, and you would not put a single dent in gun crime.
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Atheus
They'd better - what else is gonna save me? A bunch of armed vigilantes?
you're right... be like water.. no one will save you...
http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Save-Lives-Americans-Defending/dp/1559502266
Oh yea I'll just wait for an American to save me :laugh:
The title of that book is so much like Orwellian doublethink it's almost funny.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
29 confirmed.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Allowing students to carry guns on campus is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
That's too bad because maybe if one of those 29 was packing the number wouldn't be 29.
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I agree. I grew up hunting most of my life and my father's arsenal consisted primarily of rifles and shotguns. Personally, I can't imagine needing anything else. I've never understood the need for pistols or automatic weapons. I understand the need to use them for hunting and for defense, but I don't see a justifiable reason for anything except those two types, except for perhaps law enforcement.
Like I said, I don't think this would have help in the VT case, and it's not going to solve every potential problem, but it's a start. Additional measure could be taken with longer waiting period and better background checks. If you're only using the gun for hunting, there is no reason you can't abide with a waiting period.
This is JMO, but I think something definitely needs to be done.
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: eleison
Some people have an irrational hated of guns. I do not. If knifes are killing more pople (regardless if they are more common... regardless if they are cheaper... etc.), why wouldn't you want to focus on the knife instead of the gun? A person who is dead is still dead -- be it by knife... by gun.. by fighting... he is still dead..
If people truely care about the well being of other people getting murdered they should figure out why... saying the banning guns will solve the murder issue (especially in Britian) makes no sense when most of the murders are from knifes... unless of course, these people have an irrational fear/hatred of guns...
I think you're missing the point. The fact that knives are the largest killer in Britain is very very likely to be because guns are so hard to come by. This is more of a statemet to Britain's effective gun control then the dangerousness of knives.
^ that one
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: eleison
Some people have an irrational hated of guns. I do not. If knifes are killing more pople (regardless if they are more common... regardless if they are cheaper... etc.), why wouldn't you want to focus on the knife instead of the gun? A person who is dead is still dead -- be it by knife... by gun.. by fighting... he is still dead..
If people truely care about the well being of other people getting murdered they should figure out why... saying the banning guns will solve the murder issue (especially in Britian) makes no sense when most of the murders are from knifes... unless of course, these people have an irrational fear/hatred of guns...
I think you're missing the point. The fact that knives are the largest killer in Britain is very very likely to be because guns are so hard to come by. This is more of a statemet to Britain's effective gun control then the dangerousness of knives.
^ that one
So now in Britain aren't they pushing for knife control? Talk about something easy to make if you really want one.
What are you going to do when it gets down to "sharp, pointy stick" control, cut down all the trees?
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
29 confirmed.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Allowing students to carry guns on campus is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
That's too bad because maybe if one of those 29 was packing the number wouldn't be 29.
That's pretty much nonsense.
If student was packing a gun I can guarantee you that there will be a shooting incident at least once every 2 week.
Sure 29 students won't die in one day like today, but the total deaths from guns will either still be the same (or may even end up higher) by the end of the year.
How many students on campus has died from guns at VA Tech this year?
Like was said earlier most college students aren't mature enough.
People will shoot while drunk, shoot the boyfriend their ex is going out with, and shoot teachers who gave them bad grades.
Hell, since I've been going to this school for 5 years now there has been numerous suicides...
1.) A student jumped from the School of Business.
2.) A student jumped from the School of Engineering.
3.) A medical school student stabbed himself to death because of class stress and also girlfriend issues.
4.) A lesbian student jumped from the 9th floor of my dormitory because she saw her partner talking to another girl and was jealous. This was particularly disgusting as I saw the blood stains and the head separated from the body on this one as I was entering the dormitory.
5.) A male student jumped from the 10th floor of the opposite dormitory to the one above because his girl dumped him for one of his friends.
In each of those cases, I would prefer if such mentally unstable idiots keep jumping off buildings killing themselves and no one else than to be parading around with guns in my dormitory or school department.
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: eleison
Some people have an irrational hated of guns. I do not. If knifes are killing more pople (regardless if they are more common... regardless if they are cheaper... etc.), why wouldn't you want to focus on the knife instead of the gun? A person who is dead is still dead -- be it by knife... by gun.. by fighting... he is still dead..
If people truely care about the well being of other people getting murdered they should figure out why... saying the banning guns will solve the murder issue (especially in Britian) makes no sense when most of the murders are from knifes... unless of course, these people have an irrational fear/hatred of guns...
I think you're missing the point. The fact that knives are the largest killer in Britain is very very likely to be because guns are so hard to come by. This is more of a statemet to Britain's effective gun control then the dangerousness of knives.
^ that one
So now in Britain aren't they pushing for knife control? Talk about something easy to make if you really want one.
What are you going to do when it gets down to "sharp, pointy stick" control, cut down all the trees?
You think there should not be a line drawn somewhere? You agree with nuclear bomb control, or should everyone have nuclear bombs?
Originally posted by: Lothar
That's pretty much nonsense.
If student was packing a gun I can guarantee you that there will be a shooting incident at least once every 2 week.
Sure 29 students won't die in one day like today, but the total deaths from guns will either still be the same (or may even end up higher) by the end of the year.
How many students on campus has died from guns at VA Tech this year?
Like was said earlier most college students aren't mature enough.
People will shoot while drunk, shoot the boyfriend their ex is going out with, and shoot teachers who gave them bad grades.
Hell, since I've been going to this school for 5 years now there has been numerous suicides...
1.) A student jumped from the School of Business.
2.) A student jumped from the School of Engineering.
3.) A medical school student stabbed himself to death because of class stress and also girlfriend issues.
4.) A lesbian student jumped from the 9th floor of my dormitory because she saw her partner talking to another girl and was jealous. This was particularly disgusting as I saw the blood stains and the head separated from the body on this one as I was entering the dormitory.
5.) A male student jumped from the 10th floor of the opposite dormitory to the one above because his girl dumped him for one of his friends.
In each of those cases, I would prefer if such mentally unstable idiots keep jumping off buildings killing themselves and no one else than to be parading around with guns in my dormitory or school department.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Lothar
Allowing students to carry guns on campus is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
I don't see any good reason for carrying a gun around campus, maybe a can of good pepper spray?
But what about a place for gun lovers to store a gun so they can go shooting/hunting in their free time?
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
There are some states that allow CCW on college campuses and they don't have 1 shooting per year let alone 1 every two weeks.Originally posted by: Lothar
That's pretty much nonsense.
If student was packing a gun I can guarantee you that there will be a shooting incident at least once every 2 week.
Sure 29 students won't die in one day like today, but the total deaths from guns will either still be the same (or may even end up higher) by the end of the year.
How many students on campus has died from guns at VA Tech this year?
Like was said earlier most college students aren't mature enough.
People will shoot while drunk, shoot the boyfriend their ex is going out with, and shoot teachers who gave them bad grades.
Hell, since I've been going to this school for 5 years now there has been numerous suicides...
1.) A student jumped from the School of Business.
2.) A student jumped from the School of Engineering.
3.) A medical school student stabbed himself to death because of class stress and also girlfriend issues.
4.) A lesbian student jumped from the 9th floor of my dormitory because she saw her partner talking to another girl and was jealous. This was particularly disgusting as I saw the blood stains and the head separated from the body on this one as I was entering the dormitory.
5.) A male student jumped from the 10th floor of the opposite dormitory to the one above because his girl dumped him for one of his friends.
In each of those cases, I would prefer if such mentally unstable idiots keep jumping off buildings killing themselves and no one else than to be parading around with guns in my dormitory or school department.
Originally posted by: Lothar
There are schools that don't allow guns on campuses and they don't have 1 shooting per year.
Your point?
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Lothar
Allowing students to carry guns on campus is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
I don't see any good reason for carrying a gun around campus, maybe a can of good pepper spray?
But what about a place for gun lovers to store a gun so they can go shooting/hunting in their free time?
As long as it stays off campus, they can do what they want with it.
Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
If there were other students who had concealed weapons and used them in this incident how would the students necessarily know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy if a bunch of them pull out guns? How will the cops necessarily know? I am not saying this is what would definitely happen, but I would imagine that in a situation like this it is somewhat difficult to think clearly and know exactly what is going on and what to do.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Lothar
Allowing students to carry guns on campus is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
I don't see any good reason for carrying a gun around campus, maybe a can of good pepper spray?
But what about a place for gun lovers to store a gun so they can go shooting/hunting in their free time?
As long as it stays off campus, they can do what they want with it.
How about the trunk of their car?
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
If there were other students who had concealed weapons and used them in this incident how would the students necessarily know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy if a bunch of them pull out guns? How will the cops necessarily know? I am not saying this is what would definitely happen, but I would imagine that in a situation like this it is somewhat difficult to think clearly and know exactly what is going on and what to do.
Can someone answer this man's question?
I think it's a fair question.
If I shoot attempt to shoot someone, and he kills me with his gun, how can someone tell who the assailant is?
Won't people automatically assume that the person dead on the floor is the victim and not the assailant?
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Originally posted by: Lothar
There are schools that don't allow guns on campuses and they don't have 1 shooting per year.
Your point?
My point is that your prediction and guarantee are both worthless. Most college students won't go on killing sprees at the drop of a hat.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
29 confirmed.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Allowing students to carry guns on campus is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.
That's too bad because maybe if one of those 29 was packing the number wouldn't be 29.
That's pretty much nonsense.
If student was packing a gun I can guarantee you that there will be a shooting incident at least once every 2 week.
Sure 29 students won't die in one day like today, but the total deaths from guns will either still be the same (or may even end up higher) by the end of the year.
How many students on campus has died from guns at VA Tech this year?
Like was said earlier most college students aren't mature enough.
People will shoot while drunk, shoot the boyfriend their ex is going out with, and shoot teachers who gave them bad grades.
Hell, since I've been going to this school for 5 years now there has been numerous suicides...
1.) A student jumped from the School of Business.
2.) A student jumped from the School of Engineering.
3.) A medical school student stabbed himself to death because of class stress and also girlfriend issues.
4.) A lesbian student jumped from the 9th floor of my dormitory because she saw her partner talking to another girl and was jealous. This was particularly disgusting as I saw the blood stains and the head separated from the body on this one as I was entering the dormitory.
5.) A male student jumped from the 10th floor of the opposite dormitory to the one above because his girl dumped him for one of his friends.
In each of those cases, I would prefer if such mentally unstable idiots keep jumping off buildings killing themselves and no one else than to be parading around with guns in my dormitory or school department.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
There are some states that allow CCW on college campuses and they don't have 1 shooting per year let alone 1 every two weeks.Originally posted by: Lothar
That's pretty much nonsense.
If student was packing a gun I can guarantee you that there will be a shooting incident at least once every 2 week.
Sure 29 students won't die in one day like today, but the total deaths from guns will either still be the same (or may even end up higher) by the end of the year.
How many students on campus has died from guns at VA Tech this year?
Like was said earlier most college students aren't mature enough.
People will shoot while drunk, shoot the boyfriend their ex is going out with, and shoot teachers who gave them bad grades.
Hell, since I've been going to this school for 5 years now there has been numerous suicides...
1.) A student jumped from the School of Business.
2.) A student jumped from the School of Engineering.
3.) A medical school student stabbed himself to death because of class stress and also girlfriend issues.
4.) A lesbian student jumped from the 9th floor of my dormitory because she saw her partner talking to another girl and was jealous. This was particularly disgusting as I saw the blood stains and the head separated from the body on this one as I was entering the dormitory.
5.) A male student jumped from the 10th floor of the opposite dormitory to the one above because his girl dumped him for one of his friends.
In each of those cases, I would prefer if such mentally unstable idiots keep jumping off buildings killing themselves and no one else than to be parading around with guns in my dormitory or school department.
There are schools that don't allow guns on campuses and they don't have 1 shooting per year.
Your point?
