what's the solution eliminate freeloaders of welfare?

[brainhulk]

Or are they just something we have to live with and provide for

 

[lotus503]

Lifetime caps, education training

 

[nehalem256]

Base government assistance/insurance programs off events instead of means testing.

Unemployment insurance is an excellent example of such as setup.

 

[Ldir]

Dismantle the military-industrial complex. Break up big banks so we are never again forced to bail them out. Stop socializing risk.

 

[DCal430]

In my opinion:

1. Their should be a job for everyone.
2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.
3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.
4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.
5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.
6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.


Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

 

[Mursilis]

In my opinion:

1. Their should be a job for everyone.
2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.
3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.
4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.
5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.
6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.


Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

You seem to really, really hate personal freedom. And how do you intend to "remove" people from society?

 

[Svnla]

Should be a time limit. You can't be on welfare/food stamp/gov (tax payer funded) dough forever/generation after generation...after....generation.... Perfectly fine if you need temporary help when you are down but should not be a permanent lifestyle/way of life.

I remember years ago, we did not have any of these programs, people still lived and did not die from hunger(even during the Depression).

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

It's really simple. Food stamps and welfare checks are handed out at the end of the workday. Sign up is 6:00am. You show up to the sign up place and if you're over 5 min past 6 you don't eat that day. After sign up orange vests are handed out and welfare and food stamps recipients are transported to the location where they will work that day. Jobs include trash cleanup on the highway, giving dogs baths at the local no kill shelters, etc.. If you are too disabled to work then you will have to be cleared by the govt doctors who are very we'll paid to be thorough in their reports. At the end of the 10 hour workday welfare or food stamp recipients will then be handed their money on a card that only they can use.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[blankslate]

Or are they just something we have to live with and provide for

Lifetime caps, education training

There will always be a a certain segment of the population who are for whatever reason physically capable of work but somehow see doing nothing and living without pride as a reasonable option. It would be interesting to see what percentage of people on welfare/assistance actually are making that choice. It can't be very large at all in the current economic situation.

However, to me it is preferable to have programs that can catch people who want to work but can't find any because there is a severe recession, like now.

Additionally if the minimum wage kept up with inflation since the 60's it'd be at 9 or 10 dollars right now. A better availability of jobs at that minimum wage would mean a lot less people choosing the no pride route.

*edit*

In answer to the question the solution is more jobs. If the "job creators" aren't hiring then we have to address that issue.
That discussion is a whole other can of worms that can quickly push this thread off topic though.

So simply. More jobs that pay a decent minimum wage (about $10)

 

[nehalem256]

There will always be a a certain segment of the population who are for whatever reason physically capable of work but somehow see doing nothing and living without pride as a reasonable option. It would be interesting to see what percentage of people on welfare/assistance actually are making that choice. It can't be very large at all in the current economic situation.

However, to me it is preferable to have programs that can catch people who want to work but can't find any because there is a severe recession, like now.

Additionally if the minimum wage kept up with inflation since the 60's it'd be at 9 or 10 dollars right now. A better availability of jobs at that minimum wage would mean a lot less people choosing the no pride route.

*edit*

In answer to the question the solution is more jobs. If the "job creators" aren't hiring then we have to address that issue.
That discussion is a whole other can of worms that can quickly push this thread off topic though.

So simply. More jobs that pay a decent minimum wage (about $10)

Your $9-10 minimum wage is highly misleading. There was a short one-time spike in minimum wage in ~1969 where you would be right.

 

[xj0hnx]

In my opinion:

1. Their should be a job for everyone.
2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.
3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.
4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.
5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.
6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.


Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

Please do not ever reproduce ...please. Why do you hate freedom, and personal responsibility so much?

 

[IGBT]

four year life time cap on all social welfare. The specter of personal responsibility is for everyone to deal with.

 

[jackstar7]

It's really simple. Food stamps and welfare checks are handed out at the end of the workday. Sign up is 6:00am. You show up to the sign up place and if you're over 5 min past 6 you don't eat that day. After sign up orange vests are handed out and welfare and food stamps recipients are transported to the location where they will work that day. Jobs include trash cleanup on the highway, giving dogs baths at the local no kill shelters, etc.. If you are too disabled to work then you will have to be cleared by the govt doctors who are very we'll paid to be thorough in their reports. At the end of the 10 hour workday welfare or food stamp recipients will then be handed their money on a card that only they can use.

Nice. Sounds potentially cheaper than prison labor, since you don't have to handle the housing!

 

[DaveSimmons]

Soylent green.

More seriously:

Mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on welfare. If you want more kids, you have to get off the dole first.

Forced work for all who are capable. No work, you get that healthy but awful prison loaf for your food ration.

 

[Matt1970]

How about they be required to get a job within 2 years?

Oh ya, I forgot......

 

[Orignal Earl]

I remember years ago, we did not have any of these programs, people still lived and did not die from hunger(even during the Depression).

Man..your old
Do you remember how we used to practice hiding under our desks because of the constant threat of Russian nukes?
Do you remember when we returned from WW1 and 2 and swore never again
Do you remember when most disease was a death sentence
Do you remember when he only thing we plugged in was a lamp
Do you remember when women and black folk could not vote
Ya, them were the days my friend, we thought they would never end

 

[hal2kilo]

Mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on welfare. If you want more kids, you have to get off the dole first.

Right to lifers won't have it. What? Do you think we live in Communist China?

 

[berzerker60]

We already have in place most protections that make any kind of sense, and fraud is nowhere near as widespread as Fox News would influence you to assume it is. There's always going to be some small amount, though, that's just life and unavoidable. It's not worth spending $10 more to stop $5 of fraud. It's called "breakage" in industry, learn to live with it even if it's not ideal.

Soylent green.

More seriously:

Mandatory contraceptive implants for anyone on welfare. If you want more kids, you have to get off the dole first.

Forced work for all who are capable. No work, you get that healthy but awful prison loaf for your food ration.

Oh boy, eugenics! There's a moral and reasonable approach no one's tried before!

It's really simple. Food stamps and welfare checks are handed out at the end of the workday. Sign up is 6:00am. You show up to the sign up place and if you're over 5 min past 6 you don't eat that day. After sign up orange vests are handed out and welfare and food stamps recipients are transported to the location where they will work that day. Jobs include trash cleanup on the highway, giving dogs baths at the local no kill shelters, etc.. If you are too disabled to work then you will have to be cleared by the govt doctors who are very we'll paid to be thorough in their reports. At the end of the 10 hour workday welfare or food stamp recipients will then be handed their money on a card that only they can use.

Sounds like a great way to ensure that no one on welfare ever has any opportunity of getting off of welfare, ever. Good job!

 

[highland145]

Right to lifers won't have it. What? Do you think we live in Communist China?

Wrong.



Never understood why local/state governments cut people but then the system pays unemployment. Let those people work for the local/state with their pay funded via the unemployment.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Oh boy, eugenics! There's a moral and reasonable approach no one's tried before!

It's a removable implant, not sterilization. All that the people on the dole need to do to have more kids is get a job.

But I suppose that is eugenics, in the sense that lifetime parasites would not be able to have unlimited numbers of welfare babies to continue the cycle.

 

[Moonbeam]

We have to understand that the fundamentals of our society are evil, that we evolved as an around thirty member tribe affiliation where everybody was born with purpose and played some part in the group survival. These days we expect each person to be a bacon alpha male and the rest of us are shit. The glue of existential reality, the visible experience of interdependence has been lost. I can support myself and the world around me runs on auto pilot. I don't give a shit who lives or dies. I don't need them and they don't need me. I am all alone in my insanity. I am best off personally without moral obligations. The less I help others the better off I am, that is until the psychotic nature of the world I create some worthless piece of shit who scales the wall of my gated community and ups and out-competes me with a gun or a blade.

So job one is going to have to be reversing the individualistic binge capitalist competition has created in the form of a religious worship. The ego gratification I get from being more successful than most is going to have to trend back to a realization that my greater capacity is narrowly focused. I don't like to waste my time teaching kids but I need them to know enough not to kill me as teens, so I am just going to have to pay somebody to do these lesser tasks and enough that they are content to do it.

So first our attitude has to change.

Then we have to know how to help, know what help is and what isn't.

That will mean we have to see that gifting isn't helping if it's not emergency aid.

We will also have to understand what people really feel and how what they feel determines who they believe they are.

The only worthwhile person, the only one you can trust, the only person who can exercise true personal responsibility is somebody with self respect. All the rest of us are vacuum cleaners attempting to fill the hole in our self respect with money sex drugs etc.

Just as respect can't be forced, self respect can't be given; it has to be earned.

This is why it is vital that all welfare be designed to create self respect, the feeling we get with self capacity, in ANYTHING. Anything productive and proper that you do builds self esteem just as any knowledge that you gain from self analysis as to why you don't like yourself also build it.

So the answer to welfare is simple. Provide the broken with mental health that focuses on self understanding how we were destroyed as children, and provides a path for productive self expression. But the best way to do it is anonymously. We need to find ways for people to feel they are helping themselves rather than that we are the ones doing the helping. You only value what you yourself earn.

This means that all help, again other than emergency aid, must be earned, that it is not help but salary. This means also that the government has to create work for those who are not fit for the rat race meaningless life we have created. Almost everybody can do something. Teach people how to make nail soup. Do you know what nail soup is?

 

[nehalem256]

It's a removable implant, not sterilization. All that the people on the dole need to do to have more kids is get a job.

But I suppose that is eugenics, in the sense that lifetime parasites would not be able to have unlimited numbers of welfare babies to continue the cycle.

Fun fact Planned Parenthood* was founded people who supported eugenics.

Then Hitler had to go and ruin everything. Now we have to let men have 30 kids, they cannot support, with 11 baby mommas.

*I am not attacking planned parenthood.

 

[nehalem256]

Right to lifers won't have it. What? Do you think we live in Communist China?

Actually I am sure Feminists would be just as much, if not more, against it. OMG WOMEN's BODIES!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DCal430]

Please do not ever reproduce ...please. Why do you hate freedom, and personal responsibility so much?

I am against selfishness, greed, and waste.