what's the solution eliminate freeloaders of welfare?

[Moonbeam]

Please do not ever reproduce ...please. Why do you hate freedom, and personal responsibility so much?

Why don't you argue with his list. Why do you hate personal responsibility so much, why do you hate logic and rational argument?

 

[DrPizza]

I'm not necessarily in favor of forced birth control of people on welfare, but I think there's a nice middle ground. Your benefits increase for the first kid. They might increase for the 2nd kid. After that, they cease to increase. Have that 3rd kid, and you're watched like a hawk. If you cannot provide for your children adequately, that 3rd kid is put (foster care/adoption.)

The current policies incentivize popping out kid after kid.


Also, there are a lot of jobs that are done via government contract. Perhaps add into those contracts that the government will be providing part of the labor & paying that labor. E.g., road construction. Hey company A: you don't have to hire flagmen and pay them at whatever wage you're paying your employees. We have someone on welfare earning $1400 per month. They're now going to be paid (by the gov't) $1920 per month ($12/hr, 40 hrs/week, 4 weeks.) They're your new flagmen. (And for those who think the flagmen have a really cushy job - you stand on hot asphalt on a 90 degree day for hours on end, with cars zipping past you.)

 

[soulcougher73]

Extermination....

 

[dank69]

... Do you know what nail soup is?

Is it like stone soup?

 

[boochi]

Put everyone but the disabled that have been on welfare for 5 years or more on a deserted island and let them cannibalize each other.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Start dousing welfare checks in anthrax and the problem will go away on its own.

/sarcasm

 

[Moonbeam]

DCal430: In my opinion:

This is practically a lost art. Must people here don't have opinions, they just know the truth, or think they do.

D: 1. Their should be a job for everyone.

M: Since we all have a right to life and you can't really live without money, and because in capitalist system the only way to earn money is a job, the right to a job is a must if our civilization is to survive. The Sword of God is the empty bellies of the poor.

D: 2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.

M: I disagree. Everybody should be able to work at any job they want for whatever reason so long as the job they do doesn't harm other people.

D: 3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.

M: Who is to say what advances society and what doesn't. It's the same problem with harm, but I think harm has a legal tradition and court system that makes it easier to determine.

D: 4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.

M: All tiny fraction of the population of them. Almost anybody can do something if the opportunity to do is put in front of them.

D: 5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.

M: Please, every human being is born a social animal and by nature wants to participate as a group member. If we can prevent mental illness and provide broad employment choices nobody will refuse to work at something.

D: 6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.

M: Were there any chance somebody like you could acquire such power and I could do something about it, I would remove you first. All the jobs that require insanity are filled.

D: Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

M: You went way past should over into MUST, elitist dictator territory by my reckoning.

 

[Moonbeam]

Is it like stone soup?

Yes

 

[BudAshes]

Why don't you argue with his list. Why do you hate personal responsibility so much, why do you hate logic and rational argument?

Thinking make brain hurt, ugh.

 

[Tom]

people really are morons.

so our big problems are people on welfare ? foreign aid ? gay marriage ? illegal immigrants ?

These are not problems at all. They are actually good things.

Here are the problems..

taxes are too low. people like Romeny ought to pay 35%, not 14%.
children waste too much time looking at screens.
we buy everyone over 65 a scooter, whether they need it or not and whether they could buy it themselves or not.
we buy military equipment that is too expensive to use. And build it and store it all over the country so every congressperson will vote to fund it.

 

[xj0hnx]

I am against selfishness, greed, and waste.

Your list is kind of a "What would Hitler do" list, very totalitarian of you

Why don't you argue with his list. Why do you hate personal responsibility so much, why do you hate logic and rational argument?

You shouldn't use words that you don't know the meaning of like responsibility, logic, and rational, you're much better suited to babble on about hating yourself, and your rebellion against truths you don't like.

 

[BudAshes]

Here's how you fix it: Birth control, abortions and morning after pills for everyone! We need to put that shit in school water supply. Welfare is necessary, but breeding generations of retards no one wants to raise properly is not.

 

[Smoblikat]

In my opinion:

1. Their should be a job for everyone.
2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.
3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.
4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.
5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.
6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.


Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

Lol, PLEASE tell me you are joking. You just defined socialism.

 

[Smoblikat]

DCal430: In my opinion:

This is practically a lost art. Must people here don't have opinions, they just know the truth, or think they do.

D: 1. Their should be a job for everyone.

M: Since we all have a right to life and you can't really live without money, and because in capitalist system the only way to earn money is a job, the right to a job is a must if our civilization is to survive. The Sword of God is the empty bellies of the poor.

D: 2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.

M: I disagree. Everybody should be able to work at any job they want for whatever reason so long as the job they do doesn't harm other people.

D: 3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.

M: Who is to say what advances society and what doesn't. It's the same problem with harm, but I think harm has a legal tradition and court system that makes it easier to determine.

D: 4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.

M: All tiny fraction of the population of them. Almost anybody can do something if the opportunity to do is put in front of them.

D: 5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.

M: Please, every human being is born a social animal and by nature wants to participate as a group member. If we can prevent mental illness and provide broad employment choices nobody will refuse to work at something.

D: 6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.

M: Were there any chance somebody like you could acquire such power and I could do something about it, I would remove you first. All the jobs that require insanity are filled.

D: Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

M: You went way past should over into MUST, elitist dictator territory by my reckoning.

Cops
Big Pharma
Soldier
Tobacco
Government
Alcohol
The list goes on

 

[nehalem256]

people really are morons.

so our big problems are people on welfare ? foreign aid ? gay marriage ? illegal immigrants ?

People purposefully popping out kids they cannot afford to feed and will not take the time to raise properly is a good thing

Increasing the number of people looking for employment in a time of 8%+ unemployment is a good thing?

 

[dank69]

Lol, PLEASE tell me you are joking. You just defined socialism.

Socialism is coming. It is inevitable IMO. At some point we will have robots to do everything needed to provide us all with everything we need to survive. At that point, work will no longer be needed to provide for yourself and your family, but rather something we all do because we love to innovate for innovation's sake. We, as a civilization, can move on to bigger and better things. I just hope I live to see it in my lifetime.

Jeez man, haven't you watched Star Trek?

 

[Anarchist420]

I feel that the Federalist's instrument of tyranny binding America needs to be repealed... that is, the least that needs to be done is no more legislation that doesnt prevent a unitary executive. No prime minister, no executive power in one and not even a council of execs with the same function. The president is like a monarch because he has the sword and the supreme court can strike down congressional and State legislation. I know that hamilton didn't fool most people back in his day when he talked about the purse, the sword, and the supreme court, but he has too many people fooled today.

My point was that the welfare state will exist the more powerful the executive gets. The warfare will always exist, but more confederalism and secession would increase peace. Within the current system, we would have to completely socialize everything and we see how well the soviets and russians did which wasn't due much at all to anything Reagan did. The public private partnerships (forced rather than voluntary, mind you, and there are so many now that if you want to make enough profit youll have to get one) work for the state and the contractor, but not for the people... so the current system will have to collapse and it will probably sooner than most people think. What it is replaced with, if anything, how long the chaos can be survived, and who the people surviving the chaos are will determine what happens next. I personally think that economic fascism was started to make it so there would eventually be so many public private partnerships that every firm would eventually have to get one to prosper... as the number has grown, even more are necessary to keep the state in power. Hamilton got big business hooked on that shit and it is still like that today. 100% greenbackism doesn't last, wasnt ever meant to last by intelligent people (including lincoln) and no country may have it possibly excepting iran (again it would be as a wartime measure) because the govt won't have anyone but themselves to blame when shit fucks up. They will only completely 100% socialize the banking system if there is a severe deflation not really at the hands of the banks and if people demand in mass and can't wait for congress to start printing money. Then it will collapse from within. I dont get why Madison said govts could only collapse from within when he enabled it. Lincoln's logic was at least a little more sound when he repeated that given what I've considered... even though I didn't agree with what he did, I kind of wonder if Madison was stupid, a good liar, or a little bit of both. He was a very quirky character.

Please do not ever reproduce ...please. Why do you hate freedom, and personal responsibility so much?

do you think his post should have made me feel less dumb than i actually am?

 

[evident]

i think forced sterlization, weekly drug tests for long term recipients of welfare would be a start, but obviously im sure there will be tons of bitching about that.

 

[berzerker60]

Lol, PLEASE tell me you are joking. You just defined socialism.

Not everyone is brainwashed into being allergic to the very term 'socialism.' It's not an ideal solution to every problem, but nothing is. "Capitalism" isn't a good or evil thing, "socialism" isn't a good or evil thing. It's all about implementation.

 

[berzerker60]

i think forced sterlization, weekly drug tests for long term recipients of welfare would be a start, but obviously im sure there will be tons of bitching about that.

Uh, yes, because those drug tests cost a shitload of money and save much less (see the attempt in Florida in recent years where way less was saved by kicking drug addicts off of welfare than the tests cost), while forced sterilization is inhuman.

 

[nehalem256]

Uh, yes, because those drug tests cost a shitload of money and save much less (see the attempt in Florida in recent years where way less was saved by kicking drug addicts off of welfare than the tests cost), while forced sterilization is inhuman.

No inhuman is the case of the guy with 30 kids with 11 baby mommas.

If people act like animals they should be treated like animals.

 

[Svnla]

Man..your old
Do you remember how we used to practice hiding under our desks because of the constant threat of Russian nukes?
Do you remember when we returned from WW1 and 2 and swore never again
Do you remember when most disease was a death sentence
Do you remember when he only thing we plugged in was a lamp
Do you remember when women and black folk could not vote
Ya, them were the days my friend, we thought they would never end

Yeah, we used to ride horses and carriages and so on.

Are you going to dispute my statement about no one died in the US from hunger even during The Great Depression (before all of the government programs) or are you going to run your babbles about something else?

 

[jackstar7]

No inhuman is the case of the guy with 30 kids with 11 baby mommas.

If people act like animals they should be treated like animals.

 

[berzerker60]

You're completely ignorant if you think people didn't die of hunger in the US before and since the New Deal and welfare state programs, or if you think the New Deal programs didn't make a huge difference.

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/children_depression/depression_children_menu.cfm

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]President Herbert Hoover declared, "Nobody is actually starving. The hoboes are better fed than they have ever been." But in New York City in 1931, there were 20 known cases of starvation; in 1934, there were 110 deaths caused by hunger. There were so many accounts of people starving in New York that the West African nation of Cameroon sent $3.77 in relief.

[/FONT]

 

[Orignal Earl]

Are you going to dispute my statement about no one died in the US from hunger even during The Great Depression (before all of the government programs) or are you going to run your babbles about something else?

That part was just so stupid, I left it on it's own merit.