what's the solution eliminate freeloaders of welfare?

[Tom]

People purposefully popping out kids they cannot afford to feed and will not take the time to raise properly is a good thing 😵

Increasing the number of people looking for employment in a time of 8%+ unemployment is a good thing? 😵

consumers are a good thing. look it up.

no country ever got better by shrinking. growth is where its at.

besides, i listed not raising kids right as one of our problems, but its got nothing to do with welfare.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I think that you tell them all that, if they are capable of bringing in hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars in revenue, then they don't need any forms of welfare whether it be tax breaks, subsidies or no interest loans.

Oh wait, you weren't talking about the majority of government welfare, you were talking about the kind that becomes a strawman argument every election cycle.

 

[Incorruptible]

End welfare immediately, way too much waste going on and its just wrong

 

[Jaskalas]

what's the solution eliminate freeloaders of welfare?

Give them what they want. The system will collapse. They will "eliminate" themselves.

 

[Kadarin]

I'm with the idea of a lifetime cap of maybe 5 years (or some other period of time?), and remove the incentive for having children.

 

[Jmman]

I'm with the idea of a lifetime cap of maybe 5 years (or some other period of time?), and remove the incentive for having children.

Actually, TANF, otherwise known as welfare, does have a 5 year limit already. No limit on other forms of assistance such as food stamps though.....

 

[Jhhnn]

Righties are so ignorant about what the welfare state is and how it came to be. It's really a reaction to the failures of capitalism, and a piss poor substitute for productive work.

Instead of hiring Americans, our capitalists hire Chinese, exploiting both the exchange rate and labor arbitrage. Instead of hiring Americans, our capitalists hire robots to replace workers. Instead of having to deal with organized labor, they've convinced the populace that they don't need unions. Instead of paying good wages, they just raise our credit limits, loan us more money. Instead of high taxes, our capitalists increasingly pay lower taxes, loan money to the govt to support the welfare state.

It's all tied up in our concepts of ownership & responsibility. We seem to think that the financial elite, the ownership class, always has the right to more, because they own, and that they have no responsibilities to the rest of us, to the society that nurtures them & provides for their safety & welfare. We think they have the right to offshore & automate our livelihoods as if the funding for that didn't come from the efforts of working people, as if they aren't Americans just like the rest of us.

All too many of us are easily misled into believing that the welfare state doesn't really benefit us all, when it does. Whole sections of the country would be deeply impoverished & commerce would contract enormously if they were not the recipients of the largesse of wealthier regions.

What's really happening to us is that our capitalists are denying all too many of us the opportunity to work because it's more profitable to do otherwise. Remember when they told us that automation would allow us more leisure? when offshoring would bring us cheaper goods? When the benefits of letting the rich get richer & deregulated finacialized capitalism would trickle down to the rest of us through some magical mechanism?

Did they forget to mention that you might not have a job to benefit from all that? That the only way you'll benefit otherwise is through more socialism, not less?

They did kinda gloss that over, huh?

Blaming welfare recipients for the nation's woes in the face of an official unemployment rate above 8% is absurd. They're the victims of a system that's been geared to make the rich richer at the expense of the rest of us. Blaming programs like food stamps & EITC misses the point entirely, because those programs really are an indirect subsidy to don't pay fer shit employers.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Actually, TANF, otherwise known as welfare, does have a 5 year limit already. No limit on other forms of assistance such as food stamps though.....

SSSHHHH! These ditoheads have their heads so far up their ass from watching Fox News that they completely missed Welfare Reform during the Clinton Presidency. They know what they have been told all they need to know and know nothing else.

 

[Jmman]

SSSHHHH! These ditoheads have their heads so far up their ass from watching Fox News that they completely missed Welfare Reform during the Clinton Presidency. They know what they have been told all they need to know and know nothing else.

Shhhh, don't tell anyone, but I am a conservative too.........😉

Don't let that get in the way of your partisan bickering though.......🙂

 

[WackyDan]

You seem to really, really hate personal freedom. And how do you intend to "remove" people from society?

THe same way Stalin did under communism...That is what he is advocating.

 

[WackyDan]

Shhhh, don't tell anyone, but I am a conservative too.........😉

Don't let that get in the way of your partisan bickering though.......🙂

Shhhh... don't remind the liberals that while Clinton signed it... HE HAD TO. Something about the GOP controlling congress. Wasn't Clinton's bill.

 

[GWestphal]

Daily/Temp jobs to earn your pay. We have a crap ton of infrastructure to maintain, beautify and build. Put in a solid 8 hour days work digging trenches etc and you'll make yourself $10/hr and can get a small apartment (see studio ~150 sq ft) for $150-200/month. While your working daycare is taken care of as part of the program. No welfare per se, but a fall back for if everything thing else goes wrong. Work 4 days a week to keep the benefits.

 

[Tom]

Shhhh... don't remind the liberals that while Clinton signed it... HE HAD TO. Something about the GOP controlling congress. Wasn't Clinton's bill.

Clinton ran for President in 92 and advocated welfare reform well before the Democrats in Congress paid the price for doing the right thing by raising taxes.

Which btw helped balance the budget and didn't interfere with economic growth in the slightest.

 

[nehalem256]

SSSHHHH! These ditoheads have their heads so far up their ass from watching Fox News that they completely missed Welfare Reform during the Clinton Presidency. They know what they have been told all they need to know and know nothing else.

that is because their is Welfare, aka TANF

And then there is welfare, with encompasses a host of other things such as food stamps, WIC, section8, EITC, etc.

 

[Nemesis 1]

In my opinion:

1. Their should be a job for everyone.
2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.
3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.
4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.
5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.
6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.


Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

OH My the perfect little worker bee. I will die for my right to choice . I pretty sure thats what it will come down to . The welfare types all singing hasnd in hand we shall overcome . I choose death to socialism

 

[nehalem256]

In my opinion:

1. Their should be a job for everyone.
2. Everyone should work for the betterment of society and not them self.
3. All work done must be done to advance society as a whole.
4. Those who cannot work should be supported by society.
5. Those who can work but refuse to should be forced to work.
6. If 5 fails, then those people can be removed from society.


Today to many people think of nothing but them self, people need to realize that what is important isn't you and me, what is important is society as a whole, and our lives should be devoted to advancement of society.

So under your plan people would not be allowed to save their money and then take several years off work to backpack the world, or take up painting, or commune with nature, etc.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Clinton ran for President in 92 and advocated welfare reform well before the Democrats in Congress paid the price for doing the right thing by raising taxes.

Which btw helped balance the budget and didn't interfere with economic growth in the slightest.

You know how to tell If a president was good . ? After 8 years not much will be noticed untill the next president . Obama inherited much of Bushes problems.
It shows bush did not have a good term . At the same time What clinton did came about durring Bushes 8 years . It was Clinton that passed laws allowing for housing bubble to take place . Clinton wasn't good just lucky Americans were Are so greedy to make bubbles implode

 

[nehalem256]

You know how to tell If a president was good . ? After 8 years not much will be noticed untill the next president . Obama inherited much of Bushes problems.
It shows bush did not have a good term . At the same time What clinton did came about durring Bushes 8 years . It was Clinton that passed laws allowing for housing bubble to take place . Clinton wasn't good just lucky Americans were Are so greedy to make bubbles implode

Also the Internet bubble recession, which Democrats blame Bush for...

 

[Matt1970]

Righties are so ignorant about what the welfare state is and how it came to be. It's really a reaction to the failures of capitalism, and a piss poor substitute for productive work.

Instead of hiring Americans, our capitalists hire Chinese, exploiting both the exchange rate and labor arbitrage. Instead of hiring Americans, our capitalists hire robots to replace workers. Instead of having to deal with organized labor, they've convinced the populace that they don't need unions. Instead of paying good wages, they just raise our credit limits, loan us more money. Instead of high taxes, our capitalists increasingly pay lower taxes, loan money to the govt to support the welfare state.


When the benefits of letting the rich get richer & deregulated finacialized capitalism would trickle down to the rest of us through some magical mechanism?

There ya go. Welfare, which started in the 1930s is the result of using Robots and Hiring Chinese. And of course, you can't leave out Trickle Down (1980's).....

 

[xanis]

Everyone is looking for the perfect solution to this, but there isn't one.

One of the biggest problems with the system, I think, is that people generally have no incentive to get off of government aid and better themselves. Why bother going to school, practicing safe sex, or trying to work when you can game the system and keep getting more money?

Here's what I'd like to see happen:

1. Free higher education for those on welfare.
Community/state college or trade school, take your pick. Enrollment in a relevant certificate/Associate's program is required to continue receiving benefits.

2. Lifetime cap on benefits (and actually enforce it)
Limit ALL welfare benefits to 5 years. Individuals deemed physically unfit for work by a doctor would be excepted on a case-by-case basis.

3. Cap the benefits for having children.
There would be a 2-child cap on benefits. Having more children would not earn welfare recipients any more money. This cap excludes children born prior to requesting benefits.

4. Revamp the food stamp program to encourage smart purchases.
No more using your WIC checks to buy chips and other junk food at 7-Eleven. Food assistance money could only be used to purchase nutritious items such as lean meats, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. This stops the abuse and forces people to eat healthier, which hopefully makes people healthier and reduces healthcare costs (though that's a different thread entirely).

 

[Tom]

You know how to tell If a president was good . ? After 8 years not much will be noticed untill the next president . Obama inherited much of Bushes problems.
It shows bush did not have a good term . At the same time What clinton did came about durring Bushes 8 years . It was Clinton that passed laws allowing for housing bubble to take place . Clinton wasn't good just lucky Americans were Are so greedy to make bubbles implode

Baloney. Bush was President during the housing bubble, it was his job to manage the administration and do what was necessary to correct problems before they got out of hand.

President is the leader and chief manager. If he thought Clinton's policies would lead to a housing bubble, why didn't he stop it ?

The truth is, he was clueless and believes in little or no regulation, hence he let the housing bubble develop, let oil companies drill in the Gulf without proper supervision, appointed incompetent friends to run FEMA which made effects of Katrina much worse, let banks and insurance companies run themselves into the ground, started two wars he didn't finish, maybe could have prevented 9/11 if he had kept Clinton's focus on terrorism, unbalanced a working fiscal policy, etc, etc.

And that is what Romney supporters want to go back to.

 

[nehalem256]

Baloney. Bush was President during the housing bubble, it was his job to manage the administration and do what was necessary to correct problems before they got out of hand.

Housing prices were already the highest in history when Bush took office in 2001

President is the leader and chief manager. If he thought Clinton's policies would lead to a housing bubble, why didn't he stop it ?

Because doing so would have been suicidal to his reelection prospects given the dotcom recession he inherited from Clinton.

The truth is, he was clueless and believes in little or no regulation, hence he let the housing bubble develop,

He let the housing bubble that began under Clinton continue.

let oil companies drill in the Gulf without proper supervision, appointed incompetent friends to run FEMA which made effects of Katrina much worse, let banks and insurance companies run themselves into the ground,

I do not seem to recall any major gulf oil spills under Bush...

And I thought it was Clinton repealing that Glass-Steagl act that was the problem?

Or are you suggesting the President is suppose to run every financial institution in the Country. Not the recall any Democrats harping about the dangers of the housing bubble either.

started two wars he didn't finish,

So you are saying we should have given him a 3rd term so he could have? 😀

 

[child of wonder]

Housing prices were already the highest in history when Bush took office in 2001

Your graph shows housing prices peaked in 2006.

 

[nehalem256]

Your graph shows housing prices peaked in 2006.

Ok, Im sorry. I clearly meant that when Bush took office housing prices were the highest UNTIL THAT POINT.

 

[Schmide]

Housing prices were already the highest in history when Bush took office in 2001

Adjust for inflation please.

If houses get too expensive, people will stop buying them... Economies should cycle - Bush