What's the purpose of a tie?

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Ties are effectively BABY bibs for corporate cock suckers to wipe their chins on.

i just heard a buzzer - is it time for you to flip the burgers? >

Come on meltdown, I expect better from you.

I agree with waffleironhead, and I work in IT. Ties are lame as hell.

give me a break, i'm alt-tabbing between this and my job.

 

[EGGO]

OP, you've never had office sex have you.

 

[torpid]

People look better in ties. The better you look, the better you will be treated subconsciously by others.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

my whole arguement is that IT SHOULD NOT MATTER no matter where you work however thats not the case, the fact that it does matter is stupid IMO

Disagree. It matters entirely on where you work and who you interact with.

You can rarely go wrong dressing up, you can epic fail dressing down.

 

[darkxshade]

This whole argument has seem to taken another course. My OP post was just a rant so to speak. You don't have to tell me what wearing a tie entails in terms of projecting an image(of professionalism), hell I have to wear it daily but it's one of the most ridiculous traditions ever created. I mean was a tucked in buttoned shirt not good enough then? Who in their infinite wisdom decided that adding one extra piece of clothing to your wardrobe was necessary to look professional in the first place? All it does these days is to complete a "look".

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: torpid
People look better in ties. The better you look, the better you will be treated subconsciously by others.

This notion was programmed into your subconscious by hundreds of years of conformity. I think women look better naked, you don't see them going to work like that everyday.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
This whole argument has seem to taken another course. My OP post was just a rant so to speak. You don't have to tell me what wearing a tie entails in terms of projecting an image(of professionalism), hell I have to wear it daily but it's one of the most ridiculous traditions ever created. I mean was a tucked in buttoned shirt not good enough then? Who in their infinite wisdom decided that adding one extra piece of clothing to your wardrobe was necessary to look professional in the first place? All it does these days is to complete a "look".

I'm sure if you scour the fashions of generations long since past, you'll find some pretty funny-looking stuff that was in vogue at the time

Aside from that, I'm sure you know that looking professional doesn't come as easy as slapping on a tie. It's part of the look but certainly not the whole thing.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

my whole arguement is that IT SHOULD NOT MATTER no matter where you work however thats not the case, the fact that it does matter is stupid IMO

Disagree. It matters entirely on where you work and who you interact with.

You can rarely go wrong dressing up, you can epic fail dressing down.

you did not read what i wrote did you

I FUCKING KNOW IT MATTERS and is dependent on where you work

however

IT SHOULD NOT MATTER, the concept is stupid


everyone no matter what job or profession you hold should be able to go to work in shorts and a tshirt IMO

 

[SSSnail]

Since you work in the finance sector, a tie is very convenient for when... oh say the market tanks so bad and you found a cross bar.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: darkxshade
This whole argument has seem to taken another course. My OP post was just a rant so to speak. You don't have to tell me what wearing a tie entails in terms of projecting an image(of professionalism), hell I have to wear it daily but it's one of the most ridiculous traditions ever created. I mean was a tucked in buttoned shirt not good enough then? Who in their infinite wisdom decided that adding one extra piece of clothing to your wardrobe was necessary to look professional in the first place? All it does these days is to complete a "look".

I'm sure if you scour the fashions of generations long since past, you'll find some pretty funny-looking stuff that was in vogue at the time

Aside from that, I'm sure you know that looking professional doesn't come as easy as slapping on a tie. It's part of the look but certainly not the whole thing.

You're right but those funny looking stuff never became mainstream like a tie did. Can't one look professional without adorning some kind of ornament on their neck?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: darkxshade
This whole argument has seem to taken another course. My OP post was just a rant so to speak. You don't have to tell me what wearing a tie entails in terms of projecting an image(of professionalism), hell I have to wear it daily but it's one of the most ridiculous traditions ever created. I mean was a tucked in buttoned shirt not good enough then? Who in their infinite wisdom decided that adding one extra piece of clothing to your wardrobe was necessary to look professional in the first place? All it does these days is to complete a "look".

I'm sure if you scour the fashions of generations long since past, you'll find some pretty funny-looking stuff that was in vogue at the time

Aside from that, I'm sure you know that looking professional doesn't come as easy as slapping on a tie. It's part of the look but certainly not the whole thing.

You're right but those funny looking stuff never became mainstream like a tie did. Can't one look professional without adorning some kind of ornament on their neck?

It probably all started with a caveman hanging a sabertooth tiger's tooth around his neck

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

my whole arguement is that IT SHOULD NOT MATTER no matter where you work however thats not the case, the fact that it does matter is stupid IMO

Disagree. It matters entirely on where you work and who you interact with.

You can rarely go wrong dressing up, you can epic fail dressing down.

you did not read what i wrote did you

I FUCKING KNOW IT MATTERS and is dependent on where you work

however

IT SHOULD NOT MATTER, the concept is stupid


everyone no matter what job or profession you hold should be able to go to work in shorts and a tshirt IMO

I read what you wrote and IMHO you are wrong.

Dressing "professional" means that you took the time and effort to make yourself look presentable. In the case of meeting future clients, it means that you wanted to make a good impression. It MATTERS because you wanted to make a good impression.

If I went to see a lawyer who was dressed down, this says to me "You were not worth the 20 minutes it would have taken me to look presentable". It MATTERS because it represents time, thought, and effort.

The concept is not stupid.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: torpid
People look better in ties. The better you look, the better you will be treated subconsciously by others.

This notion was programmed into your subconscious by hundreds of years of conformity. I think women look better naked, you don't see them going to work like that everyday.

I have not been alive hundreds of years. Whatever programming of my brain that was transmitted by my ancestors is there in virtually everyone's brain. Certain shapes and forms are more pleasing to most humans. A suit and tie will generally be more pleasing to look at than a t-shirt and jeans or a suit with no tie.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: torpid
A suit and tie will generally be more pleasing to look at than a t-shirt and jeans or a suit with no tie.

:thumbsup:

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people have no idea how to dress themselves, even when they are wearing a suit.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

my whole arguement is that IT SHOULD NOT MATTER no matter where you work however thats not the case, the fact that it does matter is stupid IMO

Disagree. It matters entirely on where you work and who you interact with.

You can rarely go wrong dressing up, you can epic fail dressing down.

you did not read what i wrote did you

I FUCKING KNOW IT MATTERS and is dependent on where you work

however

IT SHOULD NOT MATTER, the concept is stupid


everyone no matter what job or profession you hold should be able to go to work in shorts and a tshirt IMO

I read what you wrote and IMHO you are wrong.

Dressing "professional" means that you took the time and effort to make yourself look presentable. In the case of meeting future clients, it means that you wanted to make a good impression. It MATTERS because you wanted to make a good impression.

If I went to see a lawyer who was dressed down, this says to me "You were not worth the 20 minutes it would have taken me to look presentable". It MATTERS because it represents time, thought, and effort.

The concept is not stupid.

ok so our opinions differ Lets Compromise

 

[paintballwebs]

Originally posted by: MiataNC
A tie is an arrow pointing to where the magic happens

I had a professor in college who said that a standard tie is a way of male assertion of dominance. It is not only a phallic symbol, but points directly to "that area". He was a little crazy and always wore bow ties.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: torpid
I have not been alive hundreds of years. Whatever programming of my brain that was transmitted by my ancestors is there in virtually everyone's brain. Certain shapes and forms are more pleasing to most humans. A suit and tie will generally be more pleasing to look at than a t-shirt and jeans or a suit with no tie.

What I meant was that this notion is perpetuated by hundreds if not thousands of years of conformity, you're just at the back end of it now. What you're simply doing right now is making sure that the next generation will continue to think ties look better/professional and because of this, it will never end. If we stopped wearing ties from today going forward, 2000 years from now, people will believe wearing no ties will look better than with. In fact I don't think wearing a tie looks pleasing right now, and pretty much a lot of the people I work with don't either, we just wear it because we need to(it's an actual requirement for work). And while I agree a suit & tie looks better or more professional than t-shirt and jeans, my argument is what's wrong with just a suit and shirt(with no tie)?

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
I think a couple hundred years from now people will look back on ties the same way we look back on those white wigs me wore a couple hundred years back from now.

except back in the white wig days, they wore ties. we dont look back on their ties also, just the wigs.


im lucky, i dont have to wear ties. button up shirts, yes, but no ties. i can wear a hawaiian shirt if i feel like it too.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

my whole arguement is that IT SHOULD NOT MATTER no matter where you work however thats not the case, the fact that it does matter is stupid IMO

Disagree. It matters entirely on where you work and who you interact with.

You can rarely go wrong dressing up, you can epic fail dressing down.

you did not read what i wrote did you

I FUCKING KNOW IT MATTERS and is dependent on where you work

however

IT SHOULD NOT MATTER, the concept is stupid


everyone no matter what job or profession you hold should be able to go to work in shorts and a tshirt IMO

I read what you wrote and IMHO you are wrong.

Dressing "professional" means that you took the time and effort to make yourself look presentable. In the case of meeting future clients, it means that you wanted to make a good impression. It MATTERS because you wanted to make a good impression.

If I went to see a lawyer who was dressed down, this says to me "You were not worth the 20 minutes it would have taken me to look presentable". It MATTERS because it represents time, thought, and effort.

The concept is not stupid.

Yeah, no.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: torpid
I have not been alive hundreds of years. Whatever programming of my brain that was transmitted by my ancestors is there in virtually everyone's brain. Certain shapes and forms are more pleasing to most humans. A suit and tie will generally be more pleasing to look at than a t-shirt and jeans or a suit with no tie.

What I meant was that this notion is perpetuated by hundreds if not thousands of years of conformity, you're just at the back end of it now. What you're simply doing right now is making sure that the next generation will continue to think ties look better/professional and because of this, it will never end. If we stopped wearing ties from today going forward, 2000 years from now, people will believe wearing no ties will look better than with. In fact I don't think wearing a tie looks pleasing right now, and pretty much a lot of the people I work with don't either, we just wear it because we need to(it's an actual requirement for work). And while I agree a suit & tie looks better or more professional than t-shirt and jeans, my argument is what's wrong with just a suit and shirt(with no tie)?

It doesn't look good (aside from the fashion norm). It's simply not visually pleasing. The tie is the peice de resistance, the outfit turns into casual wear without it. Depending on the suit, it might look REAL bad without a tie. *IMO*

 

[ja1484]

Ornamentation. Guys don't have boobs. Gotta dress up the front end with somethin'.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Ornamentation. Guys don't have boobs. Gotta dress up the front end with somethin'.

lol



and FWIW for me nothing is more uncomfortable then a suit, id be more comfortable walking around nude

and yes even nice properly fitting tailored suits

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ja1484

Ornamentation. Guys don't have boobs. Gotta dress up the front end with somethin'.

lol



and FWIW for me nothing is more uncomfortable then a suit, id be more comfortable walking around nude

and yes even nice properly fitting tailored suits

I might judge you if I saw you with no clothes on

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: torpid
I have not been alive hundreds of years. Whatever programming of my brain that was transmitted by my ancestors is there in virtually everyone's brain. Certain shapes and forms are more pleasing to most humans. A suit and tie will generally be more pleasing to look at than a t-shirt and jeans or a suit with no tie.

What I meant was that this notion is perpetuated by hundreds if not thousands of years of conformity, you're just at the back end of it now. What you're simply doing right now is making sure that the next generation will continue to think ties look better/professional and because of this, it will never end. If we stopped wearing ties from today going forward, 2000 years from now, people will believe wearing no ties will look better than with. In fact I don't think wearing a tie looks pleasing right now, and pretty much a lot of the people I work with don't either, we just wear it because we need to(it's an actual requirement for work). And while I agree a suit & tie looks better or more professional than t-shirt and jeans, my argument is what's wrong with just a suit and shirt(with no tie)?

It doesn't look good (aside from the fashion norm). It's simply not visually pleasing. The tie is the peice de resistance, the outfit turns into casual wear without it. Depending on the suit, it might look REAL bad without a tie. *IMO*

Right now it looks bad because we're all used to the idea of wearing ties. Although it's hard to imagine, consider for a moment that maybe if ties never came to be, just a shirt and suit may not look that bad. Or perhaps instead of a suit, a blazer. At my old job, all I had to wear was a tucked in buttoned up shirt(also in finance sector). If it was considered professional enough then and there, why not entirely across the world now?

On a side note, I'm horribly bad at color coordinating, throw in patterned shirts and ties, my life just became more complicated. I really don't & didn't need this, it's one thing to look professional(which I don't mind really), it's another thing when you have to be conscious of how you look and have to waste time to pick out a combination of wardrobe just so that you can go to work and not be noticed in the end.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ja1484

Ornamentation. Guys don't have boobs. Gotta dress up the front end with somethin'.

lol



and FWIW for me nothing is more uncomfortable then a suit, id be more comfortable walking around nude

and yes even nice properly fitting tailored suits

I might judge you if I saw you with no clothes on

would it be the hey that guy must not have a care in the world kind of judge

or the he look at the sick freek without any cloths on kind of judge