What's the purpose of a tie?

[nakedfrog]

The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

 

[Raduque]

I have never worn a tie. I will never wear a tie.

Ties are for lawyers and used car salesmen - two of the lowest forms of life on earth.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

umm. Wha?

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: torpid
People look better in ties. The better you look, the better you will be treated subconsciously by others.

This notion was programmed into your subconscious by hundreds of years of conformity. I think women look better naked, you don't see them going to work like that everyday.

I have not been alive hundreds of years. Whatever programming of my brain that was transmitted by my ancestors is there in virtually everyone's brain. Certain shapes and forms are more pleasing to most humans. A suit and tie will generally be more pleasing to look at than a t-shirt and jeans or a suit with no tie.

societal programming is totally different. look back at all the kid books you were read as a child. every one of them had the dad, a symbol of authority, wearing a tie. as you went to school, principals wore a tie, another figure of authority. this didnt come from hundreds of years of it, just your whole life of mainstream doctrine fed to you by your parents and their society. want to change that? dont lead your children down the same path, in hopes they may do the same. enough people do it, it may catch on and quell the association of authority to wearing a suit/ tie.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
What I meant was that this notion is perpetuated by hundreds if not thousands of years of conformity, you're just at the back end of it now. What you're simply doing right now is making sure that the next generation will continue to think ties look better/professional and because of this, it will never end. If we stopped wearing ties from today going forward, 2000 years from now, people will believe wearing no ties will look better than with. In fact I don't think wearing a tie looks pleasing right now, and pretty much a lot of the people I work with don't either, we just wear it because we need to(it's an actual requirement for work). And while I agree a suit & tie looks better or more professional than t-shirt and jeans, my argument is what's wrong with just a suit and shirt(with no tie)?

Even if you took away 2000 years of conformity, a suit and tie would still look better than a lot of things, including a suit with no tie or jeans and most t-shirts. You might lose the cultural aspect of it, but the human brain is not going to stop appreciating certain shapes and structures so quickly. A suit and tie has a "clean" look to it. There are certainly other outfits that will look as clean or cleaner, but simply removing the tie from the outfit would not.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, let me say that:

my job > my comfort > my appearance

That said, if my job did not *require* me to wear ties, I wouldn't be. For most people, I'd assume the same is true, not many people would wear a shirt and tie to work just for the hell of it when it's not required of them.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Raduque
I have never worn a tie. I will never wear a tie.

Ties are for lawyers and used car salesmen - two of the lowest forms of life on earth.

I disagree... and so does Frankie.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: torpid
I have not been alive hundreds of years. Whatever programming of my brain that was transmitted by my ancestors is there in virtually everyone's brain. Certain shapes and forms are more pleasing to most humans. A suit and tie will generally be more pleasing to look at than a t-shirt and jeans or a suit with no tie.

What I meant was that this notion is perpetuated by hundreds if not thousands of years of conformity, you're just at the back end of it now. What you're simply doing right now is making sure that the next generation will continue to think ties look better/professional and because of this, it will never end. If we stopped wearing ties from today going forward, 2000 years from now, people will believe wearing no ties will look better than with. In fact I don't think wearing a tie looks pleasing right now, and pretty much a lot of the people I work with don't either, we just wear it because we need to(it's an actual requirement for work). And while I agree a suit & tie looks better or more professional than t-shirt and jeans, my argument is what's wrong with just a suit and shirt(with no tie)?

It doesn't look good (aside from the fashion norm). It's simply not visually pleasing. The tie is the peice de resistance, the outfit turns into casual wear without it. Depending on the suit, it might look REAL bad without a tie. *IMO*

Right now it looks bad because we're all used to the idea of wearing ties. Although it's hard to imagine, consider for a moment that maybe if ties never came to be, just a shirt and suit may not look that bad. Or perhaps instead of a suit, a blazer. At my old job, all I had to wear was a tucked in buttoned up shirt(also in finance sector). If it was considered professional enough then and there, why not entirely across the world now?

On a side note, I'm horribly bad at color coordinating, throw in patterned shirts and ties, my life just became more complicated. I really don't & didn't need this, it's one thing to look professional(which I don't mind really), it's another thing when you have to be conscious of how you look and have to waste time to pick out a combination of wardrobe just so that you can go to work and not be noticed in the end.

Well, I guess if ties never came to be, they wouldn't look good.

FWIW I don't have to wear a tie to my office. Just khakis, decent shoes and whatever for a shirt. Today I have on a green fuzzy sweater that says "Maritime Life" on it.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ja1484

Ornamentation. Guys don't have boobs. Gotta dress up the front end with somethin'.

lol



and FWIW for me nothing is more uncomfortable then a suit, id be more comfortable walking around nude

and yes even nice properly fitting tailored suits

I might judge you if I saw you with no clothes on

would it be the hey that guy must not have a care in the world kind of judge

or the he look at the sick freek without any cloths on kind of judge

i think it would just be... holy shit that dude is naked... WTF :Q

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: darkxshade
What I meant was that this notion is perpetuated by hundreds if not thousands of years of conformity, you're just at the back end of it now. What you're simply doing right now is making sure that the next generation will continue to think ties look better/professional and because of this, it will never end. If we stopped wearing ties from today going forward, 2000 years from now, people will believe wearing no ties will look better than with. In fact I don't think wearing a tie looks pleasing right now, and pretty much a lot of the people I work with don't either, we just wear it because we need to(it's an actual requirement for work). And while I agree a suit & tie looks better or more professional than t-shirt and jeans, my argument is what's wrong with just a suit and shirt(with no tie)?

Even if you took away 2000 years of conformity, a suit and tie would still look better than a lot of things, including a suit with no tie or jeans and most t-shirts. You might lose the cultural aspect of it, but the human brain is not going to stop appreciating certain shapes and structures so quickly. A suit and tie has a "clean" look to it. There are certainly other outfits that will look as clean or cleaner, but simply removing the tie from the outfit would not.

If it's true that a tie looks better(because it's really a matter of perception and that varies from person to person), why is it then that the only people who wear them are those who do so to fulfill a prerequisite for work. Because if what you say is true that a tie looks cleaner or more pleasing, then should we not see people wearing shirts & ties out of choice than by requirements?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, let me say that:

my job > my comfort > my appearance

That said, if my job did not *require* me to wear ties, I wouldn't be. For most people, I'd assume the same is true, not many people would wear a shirt and tie to work just for the hell of it when it's not required of them.

Well, that's really just a projection... whoever determines your dress code has determined that your appearance is more important to them than your comfort.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

I wonder how many hours & days they spend counting how much more money they make...

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ja1484

Ornamentation. Guys don't have boobs. Gotta dress up the front end with somethin'.

lol



and FWIW for me nothing is more uncomfortable then a suit, id be more comfortable walking around nude

and yes even nice properly fitting tailored suits

I might judge you if I saw you with no clothes on

would it be the hey that guy must not have a care in the world kind of judge

or the he look at the sick freek without any cloths on kind of judge

i think it would just be... holy shit that dude is naked... WTF :Q

LOL

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

I wonder how many hours & days they spend counting how much more money they make...

thats a bad arguement because there are plenty of people that make tons of money who do not ever have to wear a suit and tie

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

my whole arguement is that IT SHOULD NOT MATTER no matter where you work however thats not the case, the fact that it does matter is stupid IMO

Disagree. It matters entirely on where you work and who you interact with.

You can rarely go wrong dressing up, you can epic fail dressing down.

you did not read what i wrote did you

I FUCKING KNOW IT MATTERS and is dependent on where you work

however

IT SHOULD NOT MATTER, the concept is stupid


everyone no matter what job or profession you hold should be able to go to work in shorts and a tshirt IMO

I read what you wrote and IMHO you are wrong.

Dressing "professional" means that you took the time and effort to make yourself look presentable. In the case of meeting future clients, it means that you wanted to make a good impression. It MATTERS because you wanted to make a good impression.

If I went to see a lawyer who was dressed down, this says to me "You were not worth the 20 minutes it would have taken me to look presentable". It MATTERS because it represents time, thought, and effort.

The concept is not stupid.

ok so our opinions differ Lets Compromise

haha. fair :beer:

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, let me say that:

my job > my comfort > my appearance

That said, if my job did not *require* me to wear ties, I wouldn't be. For most people, I'd assume the same is true, not many people would wear a shirt and tie to work just for the hell of it when it's not required of them.

Well, that's really just a projection... whoever determines your dress code has determined that your appearance is more important to them than your comfort.

Good point, and that appearance was determined for them when they started working way back when... again, mindless robots of the finance industry perpetuating a useles custom. What's next? I can only eat vegan during lunch because it's just more "professional"?

 

[Ns1]

Christ, am I the only person here that actually LIKES to wear this shit?

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1
Christ, am I the only person here that actually LIKES to wear this shit?

you might be, AT is filled with a lot of programers, IT people and engineers, 3 groups of working professionals that generally do not have to wear ties


<- engineer, i dont think ive seen anyone here with a tie today, my bosses bosses boss doesnt even have one on

 

[JC86]

Originally posted by: Jhill
To cover your ugly buttons.

QFT, although i agree with OP, it does get in the way a lot.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Ns1
Christ, am I the only person here that actually LIKES to wear this shit?

No. I do brother. :beer:

KT

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
If it's true that a tie looks better(because it's really a matter of perception and that varies from person to person), why is it then that the only people who wear them are those who do so to fulfill a prerequisite for work. Because if what you say is true that a tie looks cleaner or more pleasing, then should we not see people wearing shirts & ties out of choice than by requirements?

No, because not everyone cares how others react to them, and a suit and tie are prohibitively expensive and uncomfortable to most people. All things being equal, people would wear some other outfit that looks good, is comfortable, is relatively inexpensive, and requires little effort to put on. I don't think t-shirts and jeans or suits with no ties qualify. A suit with no tie looks worse than a suit with a tie, but is still quite uncomfortable an expensive. A t shirt and jeans can look good, but it depends greatly on the jeans and shirt.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Ns1
Christ, am I the only person here that actually LIKES to wear this shit?

No. I do brother. :beer:

KT

:beer:

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The tie is a social construct designed to enable the wearer to state that their own comfort is less important to them than the outward appearance they project, and that they will have lived hours, possibly even days less of their life because of time spent picking and tying ties.

I wonder how many hours & days they spend counting how much more money they make...

It doesn't matter, because they're still living paycheck to paycheck because they've got to have the McMansion and expensive car to make sure everyone knows how much ass they kick

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Ns1
Christ, am I the only person here that actually LIKES to wear this shit?

No. I do brother. :beer:

KT

Of course, there's also guys in the world who like nothing more than having their genitals stepped on by a woman wearing high heels

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Ns1
Christ, am I the only person here that actually LIKES to wear this shit?

No. I do brother. :beer:

KT

Of course, there's also guys in the world who like nothing more than having their genitals stepped on by a woman wearing high heels

Yeah, he's the non-tie wearing bastard on the 20th floor. He creeps me out.

KT