What's the purpose of a tie?

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Analog
Its amazing how you are treated differently when you wear a tie. People are more courteous, they pay attention to your needs (as a customer), and generally treat you with greater respect. I see that all the time.

Because of that societal presumption that a person with a tie is automagically better. Should the homeless invest in ties so that they'll suddenly be treated with more respect?

Just because I affix a strip of fabric to me does not inherently increase my worth. It's supposedly symbolic of some certain level of power or prestige, but anyone can buy a tie. They have them at Walmart. It's not like it's an exclusive club.

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1
I have no idea about the purpose of the tie, but I go absolutely mad when I see a guy who doesn't dimple their tie, or does a fucked up dimple, or some half assed crease or something.


I <3 ties

dimple?

I've not heard of it either. But then, I've only tied a tie a maximum of three times, though I only remember two times, and it was with instructions I got from the Internet. I've been good thus far about avoiding formal occasions that require the silly fabric strip. And as such I've certainly never heard of "dimpling" a tie.

Originally posted by: Ns1
I have this OCD like obsession with dimples/ties. I've spent 30 minutes + before making the perfect dimple and ensuring that the tie falls exactly in the middle of my belt.

:Q
Good god man....I don't take that long to get ready for classes or work in the morning, that includes everything from wake up -> out the door.
I really hope I never have a job that requires a tie every day. Just a tucked-in button-down shirt, with an undershirt too, is a lot more trouble (and discomfort) than I care to deal with. A simple polo shirt is tolerable, though I still hate the incessant rubbing feeling from the buttoned portion and the bulky collar.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Analog
Its amazing how you are treated differently when you wear a tie. People are more courteous, they pay attention to your needs (as a customer), and generally treat you with greater respect. I see that all the time.

Because of that societal presumption that a person with a tie is automagically better. Should the homeless invest in ties so that they'll suddenly be treated with more respect?

Just because I affix a strip of fabric to me does not inherently increase my worth. It's supposedly symbolic of some certain level of power or prestige, but anyone can buy a tie. They have them at Walmart. It's not like it's an exclusive club.

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1
I have no idea about the purpose of the tie, but I go absolutely mad when I see a guy who doesn't dimple their tie, or does a fucked up dimple, or some half assed crease or something.


I <3 ties

dimple?

I've not heard of it either. But then, I've only tied a tie a maximum of three times, though I only remember two times, and it was with instructions I got from the Internet. I've been good thus far about avoiding formal occasions that require the silly fabric strip. And as such I've certainly never heard of "dimpling" a tie.

Originally posted by: Ns1
I have this OCD like obsession with dimples/ties. I've spent 30 minutes + before making the perfect dimple and ensuring that the tie falls exactly in the middle of my belt.

:Q
Good god man....I don't take that long to get ready for classes or work in the morning, that includes everything from wake up -> out the door.
I really hope I never have a job that requires a tie every day. Just a tucked-in button-down shirt, with an undershirt too, is a lot more trouble (and discomfort) than I care to deal with. A simple polo shirt is tolerable, though I still hate the incessant rubbing feeling from the buttoned portion and the bulky collar.

That was when I first started REALLY doing full windsor's and dimples. I can pretty much tie my tie full windsor with dimple in like, 2 minutes no mirror now. I like em, but wearing a button up shirt w/o a tie is pretty awesome too.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

yep i look at people with ties and think i bet that guy is one of those assholes who thinks hes better then other people because he is wering a tie

 

[KeithTalent]

Geez, there's a lot of tie-bashing going on here and I'm not sure I like it. :|

KT

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
Where I work(financial sector) I have to wear a shirt & tie. And it just dawned on me, who's bright idea was this? Who's the genius who decided one day that they needed to make a fashion statement and thought this up? It does nothing but get in the way when I eat, wash my hands or anything that requires me to arch forward. And it's one of the few if not only articles of clothing that serves no actual purpose.

It is part of an uniform.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1
I have no idea about the purpose of the tie, but I go absolutely mad when I see a guy who doesn't dimple their tie, or does a fucked up dimple, or some half assed crease or something.


I <3 ties

dimple?

http://www.necktieaficionado.com/Tie-Dimple.html

KT

I've never knowingly done that...

I guess that means you are not a necktie aficionado.

KT

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

because that is total BS, the clothes you wear have nothing to do with the quality/dedication of your work. .coms are the perfect example of this


im well aware its how things work, however for all you know the dude witha shirt and tie on could be a serial killer

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
Where I work(financial sector) I have to wear a shirt & tie. And it just dawned on me, who's bright idea was this? Who's the genius who decided one day that they needed to make a fashion statement and thought this up? It does nothing but get in the way when I eat, wash my hands or anything that requires me to arch forward. And it's one of the few if not only articles of clothing that serves no actual purpose.

http://www.tie-a-tie.net/accessories.html

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

because that is total BS, the clothes you wear have nothing to do with the quality/dedication of your work. .coms are the perfect example of this

It depends entirely on the expectation of the work environment. If you work in accounting and go to audit a client in jeans and a shirt, you would be fired so quick.

If you're a programmer who sits behind his desk all day who gives a shit.

Summary: Dress how you're expected to dress in that situation.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

I've gotten weird looks when I didn't have my shirt tucked in once. This of course being when I was working late shift for a couple weeks (12-8am or 1-9am) and by the time everyone was getting in, I was getting out. But man... I swear they were thinking, "my god, we better call the animal control, a savage is in the building!"

But I don't wear ties, I just wear shirts without ugly buttons (black shirt + white buttons = no way... black shirt + black buttons = nice, no tie needed).

 

[waffleironhead]

Ties are effectively BABY bibs for corporate cock suckers to wipe their chins on.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

because that is total BS, the clothes you wear have nothing to do with the quality/dedication of your work. .coms are the perfect example of this

It depends entirely on the expectation of the work environment. If you work in accounting and go to audit a client in jeans and a shirt, you would be fired so quick.

If you're a programmer who sits behind his desk all day who gives a shit.

Summary: Dress how you're expected to dress in that situation.

im well aware of that and i do dress as i am expected however it is totally illogical, a suit and tie doesnt help you audit someone better

what you wear really doesnt matter, i know it does but i think its stupid

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

because that is total BS, the clothes you wear have nothing to do with the quality/dedication of your work. .coms are the perfect example of this

It depends entirely on the expectation of the work environment. If you work in accounting and go to audit a client in jeans and a shirt, you would be fired so quick.

If you're a programmer who sits behind his desk all day who gives a shit.

Summary: Dress how you're expected to dress in that situation.

im well aware of that and i do dress as i am expected however it is totally illogical, a suit and tie doesnt help you audit someone better

what you wear really doesnt matter, i know it does but i think its stupid

I agree, what you wear does not necessarily dictate ability. But deviating from the norm/expected DOES say something about the person.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

because that is total BS, the clothes you wear have nothing to do with the quality/dedication of your work. .coms are the perfect example of this

It depends entirely on the expectation of the work environment. If you work in accounting and go to audit a client in jeans and a shirt, you would be fired so quick.

If you're a programmer who sits behind his desk all day who gives a shit.

Summary: Dress how you're expected to dress in that situation.

Exactly. If your boss asked you to wear a button down shirt the next day and you showed up in a t-shirt, that says something to him and everyone about your commitment/dedication/whatever to the job. The average office worker in a cubicle doesn't need to come in with a suit each day, but the people that act as the representatives of the company to clients and the public should. This idea of dress projecting your professionalism is something that society propagates and has for probably thousands of years. Ties, powdered wigs, indigo dyed clothes, jewelry, etc. We do this to attach special emphasis to an event/situation. People wore bright colors that came from rare or expensive dyes at special celebrations. The social elite or representatives of a company/government wore special clothes to attach increased seriousness or sense of importance. Given the fact that these ideas are a social norm, ignoring them in the commonly accepted situations only serves to express a sense of apathy or disdain.

Originally posted by: Anubis

im well aware of that and i do dress as i am expected however it is totally illogical, a suit and tie doesnt help you audit someone better

what you wear really doesnt matter, i know it does but i think its stupid

That's the whole point. You don't care, you think it's stupid and that's what you are projecting. How do you expect people not to notice or care about that?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

Whether we should or shouldn't do this is not part of the discussion. One could argue that we have very little control over it, we just do it automatically. The way the brain works is to categorize everything into neat little pigeonholes. We do it subconciously and our brain becomes more efficient at it the more we interact with society.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Ties are effectively BABY bibs for corporate cock suckers to wipe their chins on.

i just heard a buzzer - is it time for you to flip the burgers? >

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Anubis
IMO anyone who passes any sort of judgment on anyone based on the tie/shoes/whatever they may or may not have on are all people who this planet would be better off without, its no different the judging someone because of the color of their skin, their weight or their looks and gender

well no. people judge each other. get with it. people judge you on how you sit, how you eat, how you talk, how your groomed, if your shoes are clean. as far as shoes and ties are concerned its not really how expensive the shoes are but if they are polished and cleaned. sorry but thats how the world works.

no point in hating people over it.

Yep. Anubis just condemned everyone, including himself. As hard as you try, you simply can't look at someone without drawing some conclusions. Anyone that says they can is full of it.

In some cases, why shouldn't we? To me, a tie and the associated professional dress is a sign of your commitment and seriousness to the job/situation. It's fairly understood what professional dress is and when it should be used. If someone showed up in casual clothes to a job interview I don't see why that shouldn't be held against them to a degree. People know that they should dress up in these situations and by failing to meet the expected standards you express blatant apathy.

For the tie flopping around, get a tie clip or tie pin, or keep it tucked into your shirt in such situations like you would see in the military.

because that is total BS, the clothes you wear have nothing to do with the quality/dedication of your work. .coms are the perfect example of this

It depends entirely on the expectation of the work environment. If you work in accounting and go to audit a client in jeans and a shirt, you would be fired so quick.

If you're a programmer who sits behind his desk all day who gives a shit.

Summary: Dress how you're expected to dress in that situation.

Exactly. If your boss asked you to wear a button down shirt the next day and you showed up in a t-shirt, that says something to him and everyone about your commitment/dedication/whatever to the job. The average office worker in a cubicle doesn't need to come in with a suit each day, but the people that act as the representatives of the company to clients and the public should. This idea of dress projecting your professionalism is something that society propagates and has for probably thousands of years. Ties, powdered wigs, indigo dyed clothes, jewelry, etc. We do this to attach special emphasis to an event/situation. People wore bright colors that came from rare or expensive dyes at special celebrations. The social elite or representatives of a company/government wore special clothes to attach increased seriousness or sense of importance. Given the fact that these ideas are a social norm, ignoring them in the commonly accepted situations only serves to express a sense of apathy or disdain.

Originally posted by: Anubis

im well aware of that and i do dress as i am expected however it is totally illogical, a suit and tie doesnt help you audit someone better

what you wear really doesnt matter, i know it does but i think its stupid

That's the whole point. You don't care, you think it's stupid and that's what you are projecting. How do you expect people not to notice or care about that?

because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

 

[Mr Pickles]

War!

Source

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Ties are effectively BABY bibs for corporate cock suckers to wipe their chins on.

i just heard a buzzer - is it time for you to flip the burgers? >

Come on meltdown, I expect better from you.

I agree with waffleironhead, and I work in IT. Ties are lame as hell.

 

[Injury]

It's a pretend extension of the penis. Just like driving a big truck.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis


because i dont care if people know i dont care


i dont have to wear a tie to work, hell i dont even have to wear a button down shirt, and i could wear jeans every day of the week if i wanted to, normally i wear kakies and a polo

then wtf are we arguing about? In your environment, your thought process that ties = retarded is acceptable cuz nobody gives a shit. In OTHER environments, it's not and it DOES matter.

my whole arguement is that IT SHOULD NOT MATTER no matter where you work however thats not the case, the fact that it does matter is stupid IMO