What's the best martial art for REAL self-defense?

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
perfect technique of landing a TKD tornadoe kick isn't going to amount to anything

1 - Perfect technique is there to generate power.

2 - I don't know what a tornado kick is, but if it's one of those big aerial things, those are just for show. The only kicks really useful in combat are low ones, and maybe the odd snap kick at rib-level.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Martial Arts won't do you any good in a street fight. What it comes down to is size, strength, and speed.

... and the martial art utilizing these 3 factors is...?

Have you ever taken any kind of martial arts? It's great to teach you discipline, but it won't do you any good if you get into a street fight.

so knowing the most effective way to strike, block, twist joints, distract your opponent by throwing something at him, does nothing for you?

No, it wont do anything in a fight. A puny 5'8 160lb guy will get crushed by a 6'5 250lb guy. Theres not much to argue there.

I'm 5-6 180 and would dismantle any normal 6-5 250 guy with my self defense training. The taller the better so their ankle/knee/crotch is in the perfect spot.

Bwhahahahaha


Yes you would

Considering I bench 285 (used to be 335 till my shoulder blew out on 225 incline reps) and deadlift 445, I'd say it's a wrap. I could already crush most normal (no fight training) guys >6ft, now that I know shorin-ryu and some basic bjj I'm fearless. I prefer to grapple since my favorite move is choking someone out, but also love aiming for crotch/knee/ankle since I'm shorter. I also work on handspeed for strikes with a half dumbbell (metal piece on the end of a handle), speed will trump even the best trained martial artists.

 

[JackBurton]

Take whatever this guy is using.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Take whatever this guy is using.

looks like freestyle Capoeira with aerial break dancing influences....not too effectively. But super cool to watch, that's for sure.

 

[SoftwareEng]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Take whatever this guy is using.

you need a football field to spin dat shiiyat

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Martial Arts won't do you any good in a street fight. What it comes down to is size, strength, and speed.

... and the martial art utilizing these 3 factors is...?

Have you ever taken any kind of martial arts? It's great to teach you discipline, but it won't do you any good if you get into a street fight.

so knowing the most effective way to strike, block, twist joints, distract your opponent by throwing something at him, does nothing for you?

No, it wont do anything in a fight. A puny 5'8 160lb guy will get crushed by a 6'5 250lb guy. Theres not much to argue there.

I'm 5-6 180 and would dismantle any normal 6-5 250 guy with my self defense training. The taller the better so their ankle/knee/crotch is in the perfect spot.

Bwhahahahaha


Yes you would

Considering I bench 285 (used to be 335 till my shoulder blew out on 225 incline reps) and deadlift 445, I'd say it's a wrap. I could already crush most normal (no fight training) guys >6ft, now that I know shorin-ryu and some basic bjj I'm fearless. I prefer to grapple since my favorite move is choking someone out, but also love aiming for crotch/knee/ankle since I'm shorter. I also work on handspeed for strikes with a half dumbbell (metal piece on the end of a handle), speed will trump even the best trained martial artists.

Hey, you deadlift a little more than I bench.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Hey, you deadlift a little more than I bench.

:Q:Q:Q

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Take whatever this guy is using.

looks like freestyle Capoeira with aerial break dancing influences....not too effectively. But super cool to watch, that's for sure.

Not practical, but the guy is AMAZING! How he gets that rotation is unbelievable! Awesome skill! And check out that slow mo upside down splits kick! :Q

 

[her209]

Wing chung... you can fight blind folded.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Hey, you deadlift a little more than I bench.

:Q:Q:Q

 

[Kelemvor]

Isn't Judo's main focus grappling and fighting when on the ground? I'd think Aikido would be great for disabling opponents before it gets that far but something similar to Judo so when you end up wrestling on the ground you can do something about it.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Martial Arts won't do you any good in a street fight. What it comes down to is size, strength, and speed.

... and the martial art utilizing these 3 factors is...?

Have you ever taken any kind of martial arts? It's great to teach you discipline, but it won't do you any good if you get into a street fight.

so knowing the most effective way to strike, block, twist joints, distract your opponent by throwing something at him, does nothing for you?

No, it wont do anything in a fight. A puny 5'8 160lb guy will get crushed by a 6'5 250lb guy. Theres not much to argue there.

Do you consider yourself an expert of some kind? If martial arts are useless then why do boxers even bother training? Why are military and police trained in these techniques?

Plus martial arts training will give you strength, and more importantly power in your strikes, which is not the same as strength, so that part of your argument is pointless. Can you punch through a concrete block? Many martial artists can, even small ones. I suggest you go along to a local martial arts club and test your theory - not on some kid who's been doing it for a few months, but a serious practitioner.

I did it for eight years. I also did a couple other forms of martial arts for another couple years. In my honest opinion, it doesnt mean sh*t.

But hey, thats just my opinion.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Martial Arts won't do you any good in a street fight. What it comes down to is size, strength, and speed.

... and the martial art utilizing these 3 factors is...?

Have you ever taken any kind of martial arts? It's great to teach you discipline, but it won't do you any good if you get into a street fight.

so knowing the most effective way to strike, block, twist joints, distract your opponent by throwing something at him, does nothing for you?

No, it wont do anything in a fight. A puny 5'8 160lb guy will get crushed by a 6'5 250lb guy. Theres not much to argue there.

I'm 5-6 180 and would dismantle any normal 6-5 250 guy with my self defense training. The taller the better so their ankle/knee/crotch is in the perfect spot.

Bwhahahahaha


Yes you would

Considering I bench 285 (used to be 335 till my shoulder blew out on 225 incline reps) and deadlift 445, I'd say it's a wrap. I could already crush most normal (no fight training) guys >6ft, now that I know shorin-ryu and some basic bjj I'm fearless. I prefer to grapple since my favorite move is choking someone out, but also love aiming for crotch/knee/ankle since I'm shorter. I also work on handspeed for strikes with a half dumbbell (metal piece on the end of a handle), speed will trump even the best trained martial artists.

And we'll end this little squabble right here before one of us says something mean.
mmm kay?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Martial Arts won't do you any good in a street fight. What it comes down to is size, strength, and speed.

... and the martial art utilizing these 3 factors is...?

Have you ever taken any kind of martial arts? It's great to teach you discipline, but it won't do you any good if you get into a street fight.

so knowing the most effective way to strike, block, twist joints, distract your opponent by throwing something at him, does nothing for you?

No, it wont do anything in a fight. A puny 5'8 160lb guy will get crushed by a 6'5 250lb guy. Theres not much to argue there.

Do you consider yourself an expert of some kind? If martial arts are useless then why do boxers even bother training? Why are military and police trained in these techniques?

Plus martial arts training will give you strength, and more importantly power in your strikes, which is not the same as strength, so that part of your argument is pointless. Can you punch through a concrete block? Many martial artists can, even small ones. I suggest you go along to a local martial arts club and test your theory - not on some kid who's been doing it for a few months, but a serious practitioner.

I did it for eight years. I also did a couple other forms of martial arts for another couple years. In my honest opinion, it doesnt mean sh*t.

But hey, thats just my opinion.

Well, that's incredible, you really believe you got nothing from 8 years of training? How could you go and fight every week for 8 years and not get any better at it? This honestly, totally, baffles me.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Martial Arts won't do you any good in a street fight. What it comes down to is size, strength, and speed.

... and the martial art utilizing these 3 factors is...?

Have you ever taken any kind of martial arts? It's great to teach you discipline, but it won't do you any good if you get into a street fight.

so knowing the most effective way to strike, block, twist joints, distract your opponent by throwing something at him, does nothing for you?

No, it wont do anything in a fight. A puny 5'8 160lb guy will get crushed by a 6'5 250lb guy. Theres not much to argue there.

You're not good at the Martial Arts. If everything is equal, yes, I'd definitely give the nod to the bigger guy. But when you are talking about a really skilled lighter fighter (not someone who sucks at Martial Arts like krunchykrome) and a larger fighter with no skill ("street fighter" = no skill to me), then I'd put my money on the lighter fighter. And I'll double down if the lighter fighter is half way decent at BJJ. You want an example? See Royce Gracie (170-180lbs) vs Dan Severns (250-260lbs). And let me tell you, Dan Severn was a damn good Greco-Roman wrestler, not some retarded "street fighter." This was also in EARLY UFC where there were 3 rules, so it was pretty much a street fight.

If you train in some form of Martial Art for 8 years and you can't beat an average street fighter, then either you suck at that Martial Arts, or the Martial Art you selected failed you (TKD is a good example of this). A lot of people training in TKD for years and when they get into a street fight, the guy punches them in the face or takes them down. Either way, the TKD guy is fvcked. Then the guy come out and says, "Martial Arts suck!" Does that scenario sound familiar to you krunchykrome?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program)

My preferred method is Concealed Carry Handgun-Fu though. But since you don't live in a free state, that I am sure isn't an option.

Mass isn't shall-issue, but they do license.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Buck_Naked,

You can't take your gun to a bar or a club, and you may still get disarmed and attacked with your own gun if you had it with you unless you do the Gung-foo as seen in Equillibrium the movie.

I agree 100%, and thought those were some of the very points that I made in my original post, but I may not have been as clear as I should have been...

I think that some instruction in some form of defensive fighting adds a tremendous amount to a well rounded skill set should someone have that desire or inclination. Its not for everyone, but if you are proactive and feel that at some point in time you would like to have the ability to defend yourself BEFORE you need it, Krav Maga or Systema are the two options that seem to best fit my needs.

As I stated in my first post:

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Two I would (and am) considering are Krav Maga as others have mentioned, or Systema...

I am not an expert on Martial Arts, but have been considering it for awhile, have talked to a few people and have given some thought on what I expect to get out of it, and how much I want to put into it.

I am not looking for something that requires a great deal of time to invest to become proficient at, or requires a great deal of skill to be effective. Either of the two systems seems to fit my needs best. I do feel, and has been mentioned by others I have spoken with, is that you should give some consideration to the instructor. First they should be certified, but I would also like to talk to some students to get a feel if they felt the instruction was competent and effective. As in most things, there are a lot of people who say they can instruct you, but the number gets much smaller when you weed out the good from the bad.

My primary method of self defense has primarily been a firearm, and I have a substantial investment in time and money for training with both handgun and carbine, as well as tactical movement and trying to educate myself to the law in regards to should I ever have to employ a weapon in self defense. That being said, you may not have a firearm available all the time, may be disarmed, or may need to use a level of force below that of using a firearm, and I think you should have a well rounded skillset . An added benefit that should be considered is the fact that a skill that many don't talk about but is one of the biggest factors in self defense is mind set and confidence. Both of which may get you out of a situation before it even begins to escalate, or add to your chances of winning if it should.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Martial Arts won't do you any good in a street fight. What it comes down to is size, strength, and speed.

... and the martial art utilizing these 3 factors is...?

Have you ever taken any kind of martial arts? It's great to teach you discipline, but it won't do you any good if you get into a street fight.

I 100% disagree with everything you have said. Any form of combat training is superior to none at all. Size, strength, and speed are all useful, but all will fail against a trained fighter. I'd rather be driven than intelligent, intelligent than experienced, experienced than good, and good than physically capable. The perfect physical being with none of the other traits will fall almost every time. I've had no problems with people nearly a foot taller, fifty pounds heavier, much faster, or much stronger than myself because what I lack in those traits I make up for in drive, intelligence, experience, and ability.

Mind you, I'm not talking about flashy discipline moves or sports point fighting, which are useless in combat. However any good school is going to teach beyond those things.

 

[hiredgoons]

I pretty much just skimmed the thread, but if you're in Boston, I highly recommend you look up Arthur Sennott. He used to teach Systema; I'm not sure what he's calling what he teaches now, if it has a name at all. He's easily within the top 3 people I would want to learn a martial art from in the United States, and probably top 10 in the world.

http://www.russianmartialart.org/

 

[Fenixgoon]

i dont get whats up with the aikido vs karate video in the OP. it was obvious that a kick was coming... if one of my teachers were receiving that kick, i guarantee that kid would have been wrecked 10 ways from sunday. i guess it depends on the dojo.. at mine, our aim is to make our style (kinokawa aikido) a legitimate form of self defense... and believe me, the black belts are no joke...

edit: hell, i could probably get out of the way and i've only been doing aikido for a year.. i'd catch a bit of the kick, im sure... but definitely not 100%

 

[fitzov]

avoidance

 

[SoftwareEng]

Originally posted by: hiredgoons
I pretty much just skimmed the thread, but if you're in Boston, I highly recommend you look up Arthur Sennott. He used to teach Systema; I'm not sure what he's calling what he teaches now, if it has a name at all. He's easily within the top 3 people I would want to learn a martial art from in the United States, and probably top 10 in the world.

http://www.russianmartialart.org/

thanks, i'll check them out!!

 

[JackBurton]

Aikido vs Karate

Why did that guy kick that poor girl?

 

[mrkun]

Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Link

Here's a sample.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Jutisu! (SP?)

they use it on UFC, so its gotta be good.

Do you think it would break up Canadian PS3 riots?

Be happy that you don't live in Connecticut. You need bullet proof vests before you can pick up your PS3 here