what would Jesus do?

[Isla]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: Isla
I drove past a church sign that said, "God is Pro Life" and I felt like screaming, SO STOP KILLING IRAQI WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!!!

I don't think it is justifiable. But that's just my opinion.

Why do you think that writers of the sign are killing Iraqi women and children? Seems unlikely as they would have to be here to write it.

LOL, do you really think that I think that the writers of the sign are killing Iraqi women and children? Please.

I think it is extremely hypocritical to vote based on 'moral values' when they are the moral values that are most convenient for you. If you are pro life, you should also be against unjust wars that take a lot of innocent lives.

I have moral values, too... like being good stewards of our resources (the environment) and loving my neighbors. So, personally, I find it apalling that some people think their morals are more equal than other.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rob9874
Vic, before I reply, I need clarification. I assume the 1 million babies refers to abortion. Who are the 1 million adults?

War.

We'd have to invade 50 Iraqs to make 1 million.

At this point, only 10 Iraqs.

Just wait. This generation of Americans, just like the one before it that is now in power, will kill well over a million people in war. Iraq is just the beginning. Millions must die before 3,000 can be avenged.

Keep throwing stones at the adulteresses killing their babies, while completely ignoring your own sins of war and murder. God will not be mocked, and you WILL be found without your wedding garment (Matt 22).

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rob9874
Vic, before I reply, I need clarification. I assume the 1 million babies refers to abortion. Who are the 1 million adults?

War.

We'd have to invade 50 Iraqs to make 1 million.

At this point, only 10 Iraqs.

Just wait. This generation of Americans, just like the one before it that is now in power, will kill well over a million people in war. Iraq is just the beginning. Millions must die before 3,000 can be avenged.

Keep throwing stones at the adulteresses killing their babies, while completely ignoring your own sins of war and murder. God will not be mocked, and you WILL be found without your wedding garment (Matt 22).

That's a bit sensationalist.

 

[Frew]

Jesus is fictional so whatever the author/s decide.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rob9874
Vic, before I reply, I need clarification. I assume the 1 million babies refers to abortion. Who are the 1 million adults?

War.

We'd have to invade 50 Iraqs to make 1 million.

At this point, only 10 Iraqs.

Just wait. This generation of Americans, just like the one before it that is now in power, will kill well over a million people in war. Iraq is just the beginning. Millions must die before 3,000 can be avenged.

Keep throwing stones at the adulteresses killing their babies, while completely ignoring your own sins of war and murder. God will not be mocked, and you WILL be found without your wedding garment (Matt 22).

That's a bit sensationalist.

Is it? I don't think so. But then I don't stomach hypocracy very well. Tends to make me unpopular with hypocrites.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
Evangelical Christians throughout our country brandish stickers that ask the question:

what would Jesus do?

Would Jesus act with love, compassion, and forgiveness in all things he does?

I cannot imagine Jesus saying:

"We will find them and kill them."

And yet, our leader says those very words all the time.

Jesus had enemies. He knew his enemies were going to kill him. And yet, Jesus put his life in the hands of his enemies. Jesus sacrificed his life instead of fighting.

What would Jesus do? Would he start wars? Would he find and kill the terrorists?

Jesus let himself be killed.

And to be honest, I myself do not have the courage. But maybe I can start building it.

Simple, but very thought provoking post. I was watching The Passion of The Christ over the weekend, and was thinking exactly the same thing. It's such a contrast how Jesus Christ took insane amount of abuse from the Jews, the Romans and still asked God to forgive them. While this President not only started a war to revenge 911 or under the doctrine "kill the enemy before they kill us", but started a war at the wrong place and killed people who had nothing to do with 911 nor have the capability to hurt US people.

What an irony this President cites Christian teaching as his moral guideline but ignores the most fundamental teaching by Jesus Christ, and majority of the church going American people still voted for him citing morality as his strength.

I guess people are more interested in detail interpretation such as whether gay marriage or steam cell research should be allowed. But stuff like forgiveness, something people say in their prayer every single day as in ?forgive those who trespass against us? doesn't really matter.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: LeadFrog
Jesus is fictional so whatever the author/s decide.

Please. Whether you choose to believe in God or not is your own decision, but that the Jewish teacher from the New Testament named Yeshua bin Yusef of Nazareth lived is proven historical fact.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Simple, but very thought provoking post. I was watching The Passion of The Christ over the weekend, and was thinking exactly the same thing. It's such a contrast how Jesus Christ took insane amount of abuse from the Jews, the Romans and still asked God to forgive them. While this President not only started a war to revenge 911 or under the doctrine "kill the enemy before they kill us", but started a war at the wrong place and killed people who had nothing to do with 911 nor have the capability to hurt US people.

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Don't think he took much abuse from Jews....
Mel Gibson is pretty much a fundie nutjob nowadays.

 

[Mill]

Umm, glugglug, Jesus didn't take abuse from Jews? Umm, ok, whatever. Most of them back then did not care for him one bit. Especially any of the philosophers, leaders, or powerful members of their society. Never heard of the Pharisees or the Saducees? Before you say I "stole" that from my Bible, understand that I'm looking at it in my Western Civ book from University.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Don't think he took much abuse from Jews....

To the Jewish religious authorities of the time, Jesus was the greatest possible threat to their establishment.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: glugglug
Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Don't think he took much abuse from Jews....

To the Jewish religious authorities of the time, Jesus was the greatest possible threat to their establishment.

Indeed that is true.

 

[LunarRay]

Jesus told you all as depicted in the writings of his life... "Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's..." Jesus is interested in the soul of mankind and nothing more....

Like Socrates who never wrote a thing (that I know of) Jesus touched the heart of man.. not his wallet.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Jesus told you all as depicted in the writings of his life... "Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's..." Jesus is interested in the soul of mankind and nothing more....

Like Socrates who never wrote a thing (that I know of) Jesus touched the heart of man.. not his wallet.

And the Bible was written to express the condition of man's love and devotion to God, not to be a roadmap for war or a scientific research book.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Jesus told you all as depicted in the writings of his life... "Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's..." Jesus is interested in the soul of mankind and nothing more....

Like Socrates who never wrote a thing (that I know of) Jesus touched the heart of man.. not his wallet.

And the Bible was written to express the condition of man's love and devotion to God, not to be a roadmap for war or a scientific research book.

That is how I see it.... and those who would use God as the means to an Earthly end simply carry fuel to their own inferno...

 

[Caminetto]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: glugglug
Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Don't think he took much abuse from Jews....

To the Jewish religious authorities of the time, Jesus was the greatest possible threat to their establishment.

It would also be quite human for them to have believed that they had been given the law from God, and any ideas outside their interpretation, as Jesus was teaching, were evil and against God. Not unlike the fundamentalists of today.

Originally posted by: conjur
And the Bible was written to express the condition of man's love and devotion to God, not to be a roadmap for war or a scientific research book.

BINGO!

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
Evangelical Christians throughout our country brandish stickers that ask the question:

what would Jesus do?

Would Jesus act with love, compassion, and forgiveness in all things he does?

I cannot imagine Jesus saying:

"We will find them and kill them."

And yet, our leader says those very words all the time.

Jesus had enemies. He knew his enemies were going to kill him. And yet, Jesus put his life in the hands of his enemies. Jesus sacrificed his life instead of fighting.

What would Jesus do? Would he start wars? Would he find and kill the terrorists?

Jesus let himself be killed.

And to be honest, I myself do not have the courage. But maybe I can start building it.

Even the disciples misunderstood his mission. They wanted to set him up as King - and to deliver Israel out from under Roman rule. Jesus said very plainly that his kingdom was not of this world. His battle was a spirtual battle. His death and sacrifice was for the souls of men - and a way to eternal life.
To my understanding he did not address situations like we have in Iraq.

War is hell - but your way would have us under totalitarian rule. If we had turned the cheek in WW2, we would probably be under the rule of Japan or Germany.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Neos
War is hell - but your way would have us under totalitarian rule. If we had turned the cheek in WW2, we would probably be under the rule of Japan or Germany.

I hope you're not comparing Japan or Germany to Iraq...

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I hope you're not comparing Japan or Germany to Iraq...

No; if you read the OP you will see the position being criticised.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: Isla
I think it is extremely hypocritical to vote based on 'moral values' when they are the moral values that are most convenient for you.
If you are pro life, you should also be against unjust wars that take a lot of innocent lives.
I have moral values, too... like being good stewards of our resources (the environment) and loving my neighbors. So, personally, I find it apalling that some people think their morals are more equal than other.

I don't know how being pro-life is "convenient"; if you vote that way because it is somehow convenient, then that is a bad motive.
Voting in order to save lives that would be lost in war is a fine motive. I don't know who thinks it isn't that claims to be pro-life. It is not really classified as moral values even though it is voting based on a (good) moral value, because "moral values" is used in politics to refer to morality being upheld in society rather than government actions being moral.
Some morals are certainly better than others: for instance "love your neighbour" is better than "hate your neighbour". Only a moral relitavist will deny that some morals are better than others.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Vic
Please. Whether you choose to believe in God or not is your own decision, but that the Jewish teacher from the New Testament named Yeshua bin Yusef of Nazareth lived is proven historical fact.

His last name was bin Yusef? I never knew that. Any relation to bin Laden? If you ever see the Shroud of Turin, it looks alot like bin Laden. If it is actually Jesus, they have a close resemblance. Maybe bin Laden is the Anti-Christ?

(I'm being silly. Put your flame throwers down.)

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Neos
War is hell - but your way would have us under totalitarian rule. If we had turned the cheek in WW2, we would probably be under the rule of Japan or Germany.

I hope you're not comparing Japan or Germany to Iraq...

Geez, me too! WWII Japan and Germany were evil empires ruled by evil dictators. Iraq was just a misunderstood country led by a misunderstood dictator. The US's rush to war does not make former Iraq a bad country.

 

[glugglug]

To answer the question in the OP, from sorryeverybody.com:

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/upload_files/se58.jpg
My pic is there too, somewhere, haven't found it yet, the site is crazy slow since they added 600 pics.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Jesus told you all as depicted in the writings of his life... "Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's..." Jesus is interested in the soul of mankind and nothing more....

Like Socrates who never wrote a thing (that I know of) Jesus touched the heart of man.. not his wallet.

And the Bible was written to express the condition of man's love and devotion to God, not to be a roadmap for war or a scientific research book.

That is how I see it.... and those who would use God as the means to an Earthly end simply carry fuel to their own inferno...

Guess that explains why they like
that song, Burn Motherf*cker, Burn

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: LeadFrog
Jesus is fictional so whatever the author/s decide.

Please. Whether you choose to believe in God or not is your own decision, but that the Jewish teacher from the New Testament named Yeshua bin Yusef of Nazareth lived is proven historical fact.

The only "proof" of his existence is the Bible. The Holy Babble is hardly a credible source of information.


WWJD? If two guys want to get married, he wouldn't protest and scream to ban gay marriage. If a doctor performs an abortion, he wouldn't bomb the doctor's office. As the OP stated, he would bring love, compassion, and forgiveness...not bigotry, hatred, and harm.

These extremist, fund-a-mental nutjobs need to wake up and realize their savior would NEVER, EVER condone their actions...

[edited for spelling]

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
The only "proof" of his existence is the Bible. The Holy Babble is hardly a credible source of information.

Wrong. You forget Josephus, among other sources which confirmed the existence of the controversial rabbi who preached at that time.

And I erred. I inadverdantly used "bin", the Arabic word for "son of". The same Hebrew word is "ben". Same meaning though. Joshua son of Joseph of Nazareth. There is no "J" sound in Hebrew. Jesus Christ is the Anglicized form of the Greek, Jesu Kresto, which means (translated to English) Joshua the Redeemer. The Spanish name of "Jesus" is translated into "Joshua" in English.