What will be AMD'S next Move?

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DiogoDX

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Recent pc releases are going realy well on AMD hardware. For me they need to keep the price cut and add the new Dragon Age and CIV with bundle.

Alien:
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http://www.computerbase.de/2014-10/...t/#diagramm-grafikkarten-benchmarks-2560-1600

Shadow of Mordor:
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http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...rmance-Testing/4K-Testing-and-Closing-Thought

Sniper Elite 3:
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http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...-Performance-Maxwell-vs-Hawaii-DX11-vs-Mantle

Ryse:
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http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryse-PC-259308/Specials/Test-Technik-1138543/
 

desprado

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Well cut Shadow of Mordor.There many website that shows at Nvidia is around 10% faster in shadow of Mordor and with less Frame Time.
 

SlowSpyder

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Unfortunately, I already knew that, obviously after my Quad HD 7970 and Tri HD 6970.

Even if I'm not rich, I won't hold myself of buying again 4 Super High-End cards next gen. :cool:

Three 79970's aren't exactly slow. I would think all you'll lose would be some bragging rights about benchmarks in forums... I wouldn't worry too much about it. ;)
 

sontin

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Alien:Isolation is using Compute-Shaders, too. Look who is in front. :sneaky:
 

NostaSeronx

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Could you spoon feed us/me?
I'll just talk about everything. All of these are possibilities don't take them to heart.

Section 1: Internal Interconnect, HBM, and Integrated Voltage Regulation

Interconnect; Network on Chip
- Delta Compression
- Hypertransport 4.0 and High Node Count specification
- Per compute unit or per compute unit array

Tahiti;
Aggregate L1 Bandwidth; 2 TB/s ÷ 32 = ~62.5 GB/s per CU.
Aggregate L2 Bandwidth; 710 GB/s ÷ 8 = ~88.75 GB/s per CU array.

Tahiti(per-CU/NoC);
Aggregate NoC Bandwidth; 4 TB/s

Tahiti(per-CU Array/Noc);
Aggregate NoC Bandwidth; 1 TB/s

NoC is fully coherent and is more energy efficient than the crossbar used today. This method should also be used with Freedom Fabric Gen 2.

High Node Count specification includes both external and internal fabrics.

Memory System; Heterogeneous
- Both HBM and DDR3/DDR4/GDDR5/GDDR5M

4xHBM + 16x DDR3/DDR4/GDDR5/GDDR5M
2xHBM + 8x DDR3/DDR4/GDDR5/GDDR5M

Voltage Regulation; Push-Pull Shunt Regulator
- Adaptive Voltage
- Per CU and Per Part

Best voltage and frequency for a given workload. It is more complex but it is mostly variation-adaptive as well. Which means more parts can pass selection.

Section 2: Architecture, External Network

- Quality of Service replaces pre-emption. Temporal or Spatial are the only options that I know of.

AMD is leaning towards spatial from what I can find. Spatial is simultaneous multitasking, multiple application workload running in the same clock cycle. Temporal is multiple application workload running in different clock cycles.

- Future CPU/GPU architectures will be semi-homogenous architectures that run different ISAs.

This starts with Zen/K12/Faraway. The GPU core will be short-pipeline with many MSIMD/MIMD vALUs and few SISD/SIMD sALUs. The CPU cores will be long-pipeline with few MSIMD/MIMD vALUs and many SISD/SIMD sALUs. The building blocks will be similar for the best exploitation of HSA.

- AMD has a solution ready to compete with NVLink.

Both solutions are compatible with PCI Express boards. NVLink is copying a HNC spec connector. It could for all we know be the same thing as HNC. Just with a fancy title as NVLink, much like how AMD called their version of Hypertransport, "Direct Connect".

http://i.imgur.com/b4T07D1.png

AMD's solution is modified and uses the PCI Express slot not just for power and mechanical support. It uses the PCI Express section for backwards compatibility and the physical data interconnect. The second piece is what enables the GPU to use Hypertransport. The main priority of the second piece is to process the header info.

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Nvidia can 100x better slides than that but fact remains on action not on presentation.
Between, the three; AMD, Nvidia, Intel.

AMD has a high aggression rate from research to products. Just look at Andy Glew's MCMT*. Even, if it can have a bad outcome in certain areas. AMD has a higher chance than anyone to launch what they have researched.

*It was a research project from a single man. That became a product within four to six years with Montreal.
 
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RussianSensation

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Alien:Isolation is using Compute-Shaders, too. Look who is in front. :sneaky:

You are quick to sweep 780Ti's performance vs. 290 in Ryse of Rome and Alien Isolation, just pointing out that 980 beats the 1 year old AMD card in the 2nd title by a mere 10%. Convenient. NV needs its next generation 980 to beat the last generation 290X in Alien Isolation and 980 loses to the 290 in Ryse of Rome. It's pretty nuts when R9 290 is beating 970 by 31% in Ryse: Son of Rome -- the best looking PC game! Considering 780Ti that cost $700 can barely beat an after-market $270 R9 290 in this case, stating that NV keeps up is missing half the picture. :hmm:

Sure, NV keeps up for 2X the price if you bought a 780Ti last year. :D
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Your idea of keeping up or winning by 10% for double the price is an interesting one however. In other words, you then ignore $550 2x R9 290s vs. $550 980 in Ryse of Rome and Alien Isolation, is that how it works then?

Nvidia can 100x better slides than that but fact remains on action not on presentation.

Didn't you openly admit in another thread that you "hate AMD"? It's because of AMD that NV released 970 at $329 to sway gamers from spending $ on AMD-powered PS4/XB1 and instead upgrade their PC, and of course due to pressure from the already awesome price/performance offered by $350-380 R9 290s before 970's launch. You can thank AMD in 2015 when their next gen cards beat 980 and force NV to reconsider pricing GM200 at $1000. But I guess you just don't understand how AMD releasing faster and faster cards is stopping NV from resting on their laurels.
 
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sontin

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AMD. NV needs its next generation 980 to beat the last generation 290X. Considering 780Ti that cost $700 can barely beat an after-market $270 R9 290 in this case, stating that NV keeps up is missing half the picture. :hmm:

I like how you make up prices. :sneaky:

Sure, NV keeps up for 2X the price if you bought an R9 290 last year. :D
Last year? Last year a 290 cost $399+. On year later the reference card nVidia card goes for $549 which is around 15-20% faster while using 100W less power.
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Your idea of keeping up or winning by 10% for double the price is an interesting one however. In other words, you then ignore $550 2x R9 290s vs. $550 980 in Ryse of Rome and Alien Isolation, is that how it works then?
I like how you ignore the GTX970 to make a point. :\
 

Keysplayr

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And I had no clue that AMD's next move would be to replace their CEO. Didn't see that coming. hehe.
 

KaRLiToS

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And I had no clue that AMD's next move would be to replace their CEO. Didn't see that coming. hehe.

That is really lol.And of course it has to do something with the quarter results.

So you find it funny that a company has to replace their CEO because of their disapointing quarter results in order to succeed a little more?? That is not even debating about the best cards anymore ....... :thumbsdown:

Those are only negative comments to ignite flame wars.
 
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Creig

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In conclusion he recommended GTX 980 for Ryse to play at max.
If money is no object, sure. But the 290 is half the price of the 980 and hangs within a few frames of the 980. In certain areas, it's even consistently faster than 980.

If you want to compare price/performance, it would be 290 Crossfire vs a single 980.
 
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