What will be AMD'S next Move?

[Abwx]

Plz use google before posting anything
GTX 970 has 4gb of VRam.
GTX 970>R9 290 by all means

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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/928-20/recapitulatif-performances.html

 

[Kenmitch]

I bet R9 290 used prices are taking another hit. Glad I sold mine right before the massive crypto sell off. IIRC, I got over $400 used for it.

I'd never base my GPU decision off of a game bundle. Those games would be finished within a week and then I'm stuck with my GPU choice for a year or more.

Me too. I've owned a total of 3 of them in the past. Got them early enough to do some profitable mining (LTC) so when all is said and done I got to play around with 3 of them and walk away with around $160 or so in profit. Guess I could have made more of a profit on the alt coins but didn't want to hassle with it.

Sold the last one which was a TriX 290 for $280 cash on craigslist about a month or so ago.

Currently using iGPU while I decide what I want to do. The 970 is tempting but Gigabyte is never in stock....Not in a real hurry anyways.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I assume AMD will cut prices again tho. Its very hard to justify 399$ for the 290X when it trade blows with a GTX970 but at 100W+ more. Perhaps 299$ for the 290 and 329$ for the 290X. But thats still pushing it.

 

[96Firebird]

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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/928-20/recapitulatif-performances.html

Man you sure do love that image...

But you just proved what he said. Stock 970 beats a stock 290, aftermarket 970 beats an aftermarket 290. Did you not read the graph yourself?

 

[desprado]

Man you sure do love that image...

But you just proved what he said. Stock 970 beats a stock 290, aftermarket 970 beats an aftermarket 290. Did you not read the graph yourself?

I now ignore that person which only post but dont make any sense.

 

[Subyman]

I assume AMD will cut prices again tho. Its very hard to justify 399$ for the 290X when it trade blows with a GTX970 but at 100W+ more. Perhaps 299$ for the 290 and 329$ for the 290X. But thats still pushing it.

I never understood the large price difference between the 290 and the 290X. 290 was a smoking good deal when it launched at $399. $299 is a decent price now, but I was willing to pay a bit extra for 970's for the performance, reduced heat, and features.

Those waiting for 20nm will probably be paying heavy prices on launch. I'm wondering if they will keep the 980/970 and go with two luxury cards to start. One at $750, the other at $1000 like they did with Titan/780. Seems smarter to do that than replace the 980 so soon.

 

[Erenhardt]

Man you sure do love that image...

But you just proved what he said. Stock 970 beats a stock 290, aftermarket 970 beats an aftermarket 290. Did you not read the graph yourself?

How about aftermarket overclocked vs aftermarket overclocked?

overclocked and overvolted 970 get 10%

vs:

around 20% for 290

 

[el etro]

Bought this on release. Can you imagine the money loss. That is why I'm waiting for 20nm.

Cards: 645 $ CAD each
Blocks: 140 $ CAD each
Backplates: 38 $ CAD each
Bridge : 40$ CAD ????

With tax, ouch.

Kartlitos, sorry, but this is how market works. Top-end configs are only to people that absolutely swim in cash and not for us that work very hard for little money. Next time pick 4 OC'd $350-400 cards(Mid-Hi end CFX-SLI rigs like CFX 7970s or 970s SLI is the best value in ultra-high-end setups) to make your new rig. videocards ranging from $400 and above tend to depreciate much more than mainstream priced($150-$300) cards.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Kartlitos, sorry, but this is how market works. Top-end configs are only to people that absolutely swim in cash and not for us that work very hard for little money. Next time pick 4 OC'd $350-400 cards(Mid-Hi end CFX-SLI rigs like CFX 7970s or 970s SLI is the best value in ultra-high-end setups) to make your new rig. videocards ranging from $400 and above tend to depreciate much more than mainstream priced($150-$300) cards.

Unfortunately, I already knew that, obviously after my Quad HD 7970 and Tri HD 6970.

Even if I'm not rich, I won't hold myself of buying again 4 Super High-End cards next gen.

 

[Paul98]

looks like next major release will be in 2015 with shrink, new architecture, and HBM.

 

[96Firebird]

How about aftermarket overclocked vs aftermarket overclocked?

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overclocked and overvolted 970 get 10%

vs:
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around 20% for 290

Did you just try comparing BF4 @ 1440p to BF4 @ 1080p?

 

[wand3r3r]

From [h] forum

 

[Erenhardt]

Did you just try comparing BF4 @ 1440p to BF4 @ 1080p?

Ohh, yea. Good catch. Add a few % for r9 290 for CPU bottleneck at 1080p that would be lifted @1440p

 

[3DVagabond]

I assume AMD will cut prices again tho. Its very hard to justify 399$ for the 290X when it trade blows with a GTX970 but at 100W+ more. Perhaps 299$ for the 290 and 329$ for the 290X. But thats still pushing it.

You are comparing apples and oranges. You need to be complaining about the 980's price as you are paying a premium for what is still a gimped chip.

 

[Vesku]

You are comparing apples and oranges. You need to be complaining about the 980's price as you are paying a premium for what is still a gimped chip.

Yes, it's silly to compare AMD top end pricing to the 970 and not to the 980 as well. The 290X is just there to 'farm' premium consumers and I'd be surprised if AMD left less than a $60-100 gap between the 290 and 290X. Which is why the 980 is priced the way it is versus the 970, it's certainly not the same $/perf ratio.

AMD doesn't seem too worried yet judging by the delay in lowering the 290/290X prices. The quality of their upcoming announcement will help us figure out how much they intend to rely on PR and their game bundles versus actual new SKUs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You are comparing apples and oranges. You need to be complaining about the 980's price as you are paying a premium for what is still a gimped chip.

Its not apple and oranges. They are in the same performance category. And we can see AMD already making a response to that.

Did you complain about the HD7970 prices btw? Or was that different? Obvious it was a gimped chip at too high price if we are to follow your statement.

And how do you define a gimped chip. Because you feel you are entitled to something else that comes later? Premium? Yes, thats something you pay for the better product.

But again, what does the GTX980 and what it cost have any relevance to the statement? The GTX980 is out of AMDs league. Its about the GTX970.

Its hard to command a 70$ premium plus a 100W higher power consumption and lacking features like DX11.2 and 11.3 etc for the same performance.

AMD simply need a second price cut.

 

[Abwx]

Man you sure do love that image...

But you just proved what he said. Stock 970 beats a stock 290, aftermarket 970 beats an aftermarket 290. Did you not read the graph yourself?

290 tri X is running at a stable 1ghz, the equivalent 290X is at 1040, that s not considerably high compared to the competition that is at 1150-1200 at stock and as much as 1350-1380MHz on the after market variants, the 290/290X have some margin left.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/928-9/protocole-test.html

But again, what does the GTX980 and what it cost have any relevance to the statement? The GTX980 is out of AMDs league. Its about the GTX970.

AMD simply need a second price cut.

They perfectly know what these cards are worth, no wonder that they are not that pressed to cut the prices.

 

[wilds]

I'd be interested to see power consumption for underclocked Hawaii vs underclocked Maxwell for older games that are not bottlenecked by the GPU.

 

[96Firebird]

From [h] forum

Anything come from this yet?

 

[Alatar]

Yes they announced that they are not actually dropping prices at all and are actually annoyed that people would suggest that they have done such a thing:

Putting the record straight, AMD gaming scientist Richard Huddy, pictured right, has confirmed to HEXUS that AMD has made no move in GPU pricing for its band of add-in board (AIB) partners. AMD executives are 'agitated' that such a move has been presumed by the press, he says, and any price alterations are at the behest of the partners, not AMD itself.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/75613-amd-cutting-price-radeon-r9-290-r9-290x-gpus/

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Honestly though I have no idea what Roy was talking about.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Yes they announced that they are not actually dropping prices at all and are actually annoyed that people would suggest that they have done such a thing:



http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/75613-amd-cutting-price-radeon-r9-290-r9-290x-gpus/

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Honestly though I have no idea what Roy was talking about.

Nobody never know what Roy is talking about

 

[SperglordActual]

From [h] forum

Seriously I first heard of this guy the other week with his Churchill tweet and whatnot... is he a troll account, because he never seems to deliver...

 

[f1sherman]

Seriously I first heard of this guy the other week with his Churchill tweet and whatnot... is he a troll account, because he never seems to deliver...

No, he's for real.

Between him and Robert Hallock
(remembered for presenting brand new R9 290X with the red fire extinguisher in the background),

between these two, AMD India and "official" AMD - the confusion is complete.

 

[SperglordActual]

No, he's for real.

Between him and Robert Hallock
(remembered for presenting brand new R9 290X with the red fire extinguisher in the background),

between these two, AMD India and "official" AMD - the confusion is complete.

Thats some terrible PR. Im all for some competition, and I'd love to hear an actual solid response from AMD. Hopefully something actually comes out of this, this time around.

EDIT: Looks like we may have an answer: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2403391

 

[RussianSensation]

Its hard to command a 70$ premium plus a 100W higher power consumption and lacking features like DX11.2 and 11.3 etc for the same performance.

AMD simply need a second price cut.

Forget the 290X -- it never made sense.

HIS 290 is $270 on Newegg. By the end of the year we should see a $220 R9 290 new which would be a bargain of 2014 considering 780 debuted at $650 1.5 years ago.

In comparison to that, since $329 970 is nearly non-existent, you'd have to spend $350-400 on a 970 and $550-600 on a 980. Dual after-market 290s would beat 980 rather easily because an after-market 290 = 290X. 970 SLI is barely faster than 290 SLI. 295X2 is barely 10% slower at 4K than 980 SLI which means dual after-market 290s would not be much slower than 980 SLI at 4K for half the price! You'd essentially be paying double to step-up to a 980 for what is 25% more performance for single GPU, but even less for 980 SLI vs. 290 CF. Even if you max OC the 980s, you'd at best get 25% on average more over 290s max OC. That's a disappointing increase in performance over nearly 1 year old tech that now costs half. Imagine if you get dual 290s for $550 and save $550 from not buying 980s for a next GPU upgrade? History has shown that this is a waaaaay better strategy (alternatively if you must go NV, 970 or dual 970s over 980 all day unless you make a ton of $ or gaming is your main hobby). Paying double new for 25% more performance, or taking $550 and upgrading in 2 years to something much faster that will be 50-75% faster than 290s.

On the advantages of DX11.2 and 11.3 (and DX12) - those are worthless. By the time any next gen games actually use those features to a useful benefit, 970/980 will be low end cards and we'll be talking about Pascal. Why? Because this has been true for every new generation of DX. To play a next version of DX, you need a 2nd or 3rd generation of DX videocard. Playing DX9 games on 1st gen DX9 hardware was a waste of time and so was DX10 hardware on DX10 games and of course first gen DX11 GPUs (5870) got killed once DX11 games with tessellation came out. All those other extensions like DX10.1, DX11.1 - never lived up to expectations either.

And BTW, both NV and AMD said that GCN and everything starting with Fermi will run DX12 games.

Since DX12 requires Windows 10 and it won't even be out until middle of next year, by that time $550 will buy you a card much faster than the 980 (or say for $100 more for sure a way faster card). Anyone who intends to keep his/her GPU for 5-7+ years to really take advantage of DX11.2/11.3 and DX12 will need nothing less than GM200s.

Don't forget that 970/980 are "half-obsolete" for keeping that long anyway due to lack of DisplayPort 1.3 and more importantly gimped by 4GB of VRAM for a 'flagship', and performance improvement is barely there over 1 year old tech. At 4K, 980 SLI barely makes a dent over 295X2.