lol the 90% allow the 10% to run their lives. i would say that's morally supporting them, they are just too pvssy to strap the bomb themselves.
lol the 90% allow the 10% to run their lives. i would say that's morally supporting them, they are just too pvssy to strap the bomb themselves.
yea, and we all know how well the muslims are getting along over there in france :roll: aimster open your eyes...go see an optometrist
Oh yeah its totalllllly non religious. We hear lots of "Death to France" "death to infidels" "death to western culture" "death to non muslims" coming from the rioters... :roll:
IAteYourMother
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You lack an understanding of the world around you. You lack an understanding of Islam. You do not even know what is going on outside of this country.
A) you claim Muslims support suicide bombings by keeping "quiet". Where do the majority of suicide bombings occur in the Muslim world? Palestine. Nobody gives a damn about Palestine. They don't even control their own people for them to control anyone else.
Suicide bombings is not a problem in the Muslim world.
The majority of suicide bombings outside Palestine are happening inside Iraq. They are killing their own people. So you think people support suicide bombings still?
Even with all that said I already pointed out how almost all of the suicide bombings are being carried out by Arabs which are not the majority in the Muslim world. They are the minority. The majority of Muslims are from Asia.
B) France is suffering as a result of their policies towards youth and immigrants. It has nothing to do with Muslims. Their immigrants just happen to be mainly Muslim.
They are not rioting on the streets shouting Muslim verses. They are rioting because they are dirt poor as a result of failed policies. You could link it to being Muslim if they went on the streets shouting Islamic verses burning down cars.
C) nowhere in the quran does it say to kill non-believers. Nowhere does it mention suicide bombings.
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Maybe it's because they're westernizing, so they need the foreign investment
You think a man who is religious is going to stop his religious "duty" because he is afraid of foreign investments in his country?
That has to be it! You are genius!
What I've always been perplexed is how someone could be ADAMANT about something when they really don't know any of it. Some people go around telling me how the Quran says we must kill all non believers and when I ask where it says it, to show me where anything is quoted they just freeze...its like they heard it from someone and automatically took at as powerful...Even if I give them time to sit and come up, they send some standard list that seems to pass along email with every quote taken out of context. When you show them the entire section they get fidgety and still try to rationalize.
Words can be very very powerful...especially if they are a lie and repeated over and over.
Words can be very very powerful...especially if they are a lie and repeated over and over.
If you ask what the bottom line of Christianity is, it is summarized in Matthew 22:36:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" (Matthew 22:36 NIV). Jesus replied, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:37-40 NIV)
Now, passages from the Koran:
Islam vs Judeo/Christian:
"The Jews will never be content with you, nor will the Christians, until you follow their religion. Say: 'The guidance of Allah is the right guidance.' But if you follow their desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you shall have no protector or guardian from Allah." (Koran, 2:120)
Qur?an 8:12 ?I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.?
Qur?an 8:57 ?If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.?
Qur?an 8:67 ?It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.?
Qur?an 33:26 ?Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.?
Qur?an 59:2 ?It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O men who have eyes. This is My warning?they shall taste the torment of Fire.?
?Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter fight for the cause of Allah; whether they die or conquer, We shall richly reward them.? (Koran, 4:76)
?When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly? (Koran 47:4)
?Do not falter or sue for peace when you have gained the upper hand? (Koran 47:37)
?Why is it that when it is said to you: ?March in the cause of Allah.? you linger slothfully in the land? Are you content with this life in preference to the life to come?? (Koran, 9:38)
?Say: ?Are you waiting for anything to befall us except victory or martyrdom??? (Koran, 9:52)
?Fighting is obligatory for you, as much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not.? (Koran, 2:216)
"We hurl the truth against falsehood and crush its head, and lo, it vanishes." (Koran, 21:18)
"The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews." (Recorded in the Hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim)
"Whoever [when fighting the infidels] turns his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intending to join another [fighting] company, he incurs Allah's wrath, and his abode shall be hell. Most unfortunate is his fate." (Koran, 8:16)
"We have planted enmity and hatred among them [i.e., among the Jews] until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah extinguishes it. They strive to spread evil upon the earth, and Allah does not love those who do evil." (Koran, 5:64)
"Say to the unbelievers: You will surely be defeated and gathered in Hell. Most terrible shall be your resting-place." (Koran, 3:12)
Yeah....
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/christmas-in-iran.html
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/easter-in-tehran.html
Jews are also protect by LAW inside Iran, which is an Islamic country.
I guess that country ignored their own religion when establishing their religious state.
nice propaganda. we all know they are second class citizens in Iran.
and yea, my high school/college friends' parents didn't travel by camel across the desert to escape the Revolution. all jew liez.
and yea, my high school/college friends' parents didn't travel by camel across the desert to escape the Revolution. all jew liez.
They are second class citizens?
Nice propaganda?
You do not even have any evidence to support what you are spitting out of your mouth (im talking about the above).
They had to run becausse they were part of the corrupt regime that was overthrown. Not because they were Jewish.
You must live in California.
Kadarin
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The video sounds accurate to me. One telling point was where they mentioned that Islamic societies, different from each other and in different parts of the world, tended to share a trait in common: they tend to be in conflict with their neighbors.
Islam is a cancer that will hold back human advancement if allowed to do so.
Islam is a cancer that will hold back human advancement if allowed to do so.
as for my response, I was addressing how these "religions" have not been peaceful throughout history, addressing the people involved and not the actual dogma.
What I have noted is that they have been tolerant or intolerant. If a lack of tolerance took hold, then they would resort to violence to combat non-believers, usually based on some ambiguous dogmatic passage.
Both have peaceful and incredibly wise roots. I never meant to say otherwise. That said, those roots had branches which spawned violence.
My point is, I have come to know the word religion as more of a political term. It has become more than a differentiator between monotheistic beliefs that people may have, and has become a sort of war cry for either side against opponents that are always the agressors.
The reason it has shifted as such, is that when I speak with those of the Islamic faith, I let it be known that I am a learner more than a teacher, and they warm up to me. It is through that that I have been able to talk about the 'same' god with them, and notice that if one is not portrayed as an outsider, non of the antagonism surfaces, and you get the "true message."
As for those who dared mention suicide bombers, they should know better. Hell, even as low as in a TV program, the human condition, relating to situations of panic, is accurately portrayed without mentioning religion. Man, in his desperation, has an incredible desire for ideological preservation, a desire for the truth to live on, even at the cost of their own lives. This is why, the most desperate souls consider such arrogant acts. Frankly, they have no other means to hurt the opposition, so they resort to whatever they can get.
0roo0roo
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simple fact is the religion is more defective than most. its scripture is about as direct from god as it gets, straight through mohammed from god. no scribbling of disciples or other second hand type nonsense. so you can't argue with it, its god you are argueing with. with christianity atleast there are many diciples each with different versions of scripture, and even books that were left out of the bible or quashed, like the recently found gospel of judas. so theres plenty of debate possible, i'm an athiest so don't pretend i'm really defending christianity. its just the lesser of two evils. and of course the whole mohammed waging war, combining government and religion and all that nonsense left a horrible example. atleast jesus did none of that and shunned government. not to say the followers kept to it, but their actions didn't have the religious support muslims would. people have ot stop being apologists for this defective ideology. we have this kind of sick default "respect" for others religion which is total bullsh*t. no ideology is deserving of respect just because it exists. it deserves respect based on its merits nothing else. not popularity or whatever nonsense. as for most "muslims" being good people, well most just don't care about religion enough to become bad as the religion would force them to be. most people are born into their silly religions and disregard large portions of it. but as dawkins says, their support for the whole religious system of believing in irrational nonsense makes the world safe for the fundamentalists.
whatever, what this religion boils down to is the enshrinement of sexism and intolerance. it is a mental virus that promotes irrational thought. once you get people believing nonsense based on faith alone you can get them to do and justify anything. its basically brainwashing and should be called as such. and for children its child abuse.
whatever, what this religion boils down to is the enshrinement of sexism and intolerance. it is a mental virus that promotes irrational thought. once you get people believing nonsense based on faith alone you can get them to do and justify anything. its basically brainwashing and should be called as such. and for children its child abuse.
Islam in it's self is NOT a peaceful religion, having said that though, you CAN practice it peacefully and 'live in harmony' with one another so long as you don't live strictly according to the koran much like if christians don't live 'strictly to the bible'.
If what you say is true, NO ******. Just because it's 'in the koran' doesn't mean you have to ****** FOLLOW IT. If you were to have a society based strictly and ONLY on the koran, you'd have a pretty ****** up society.
0roo0roo
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doesn't matter if jews lived with muslims. as it was in the past it was a life of second class citizenship, one of submission to the "superior" muslims. not something one should be really proud of unless you set the bar that low for justifying the existence of such an ideology. frankly its not much of an arguement when trying to claim its a good or even beneign thing.
at best this religion is a cancer in remission. thats just a fact. if adults around the world believed in santa claus and only a minority supported violence and commited it, so what? that wouldn't justify the belief or make it a good thing at all.
at best this religion is a cancer in remission. thats just a fact. if adults around the world believed in santa claus and only a minority supported violence and commited it, so what? that wouldn't justify the belief or make it a good thing at all.
So what you are saying is "Yes all these problems exist but it is purely coincidence that all these problems are caused by Muslims and no one else"
Islam is a religion of violence and hate. It's people follow these practices, its prophet followed these practices, nothing has changed.
Amused
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Your history sucks.
Muslims were putting people under the sword and forcing them to convert or die a full 400 years before the first crusade. By the time of the first crusade, Muslims had brutally conquered North Africa, most of the Middle East and Spain. In doing so, the peoples of these lands were forced to convert or die by the sword.
And contrary to popular opinion, the facts on the crusades are this: Each one was a response to Muslim aggression and conquests. Yes, the Christian response was brutal and inhuman, but so was all war in those times.
The first crusade was a response to Muslims attacking and conquering much of the Byzantine Empire.
After a hundred plus years of peace following the first crusade, the Muslims attacked and conquered the town of Edessa. This sparked the second crusades.
40 years later, Muslim Egypt attacked and captured Jerusalem. This sparked the third crusades. These were the most unsuccessful for the Christians and they tried again less than 10 years later.
After this, for the next 100 years or so, a series of largely unsuccessful crusades were mounted in an effort to retake the lands won in the first crusades.
So what does history show us?
1. Muslims were a violently aggressive religion long before attacked by Christianity.
2. Muslims were not "innocent victims" in the crusades, but were, in reality, the first aggressors and their brutal conquests of Christian lands sparked the crusades.
3. The Christian response in the first crusade was abnormally brutal and far too indescrimnate... but the Muslim actions were no less brutal.
Am I Christian? No. I have no love for the Christian religion. In fact, I'm an agnostic/atheist. However, facts are facts. The ignorance masquerading as "enlightenment" when it comes to this topic is absurd.
eits
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