What the West Needs to Know About Islam.

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Googer

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Originally posted by: Canai
Yeah during the crusades the Muslims modeled their "kill everyone" ploicy after the Christians'


The Islamic invasion of Italy (Scilay), Spain, and Frace came 500 years before the Crusades. So get your facts straight.
 

Googer

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peacefull. It is a religion of violence

/thread

hehe idiot.

Yeah I know..so peacefull that they started riots and killed a nun and other people to prove how peacefull they were. I am totally off base on this one.
oh give me a break, catholics protestants hindus are all guilty of violence at one point or another.

And do are atheists.
 

Googer

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

Muslams are always murdering innocent muslam childern and non-muslam children and doing it in the name of Jihad or Islam.
 

Steve

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

Muslams are always murdering innocent muslam childern and non-muslam children.

What an incredibly ignorant, uneducated, flame-baiting statement.

Not all of them are, in fact far from it. You get that impression from the media. Want to know why? Because "Today more than 90% of the Muslim world coexisted in peace, tolerance and understanding of its neighbors" is not newsworthy. Those not included in that 90% figure are the ones who aren't strictly following the tenets of their religion, but are radicalizing it and giving the proper, peaceful ones a bad name and image to small minds like yours.
 

everman

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It may not be so much their religion, but what their society and leadership tells them to do. You see people like Saudi Princes living like kings, not really caring about Islamic law when they're vacationing out of the country on their mega-yachts. There were reports of 9/11 hijackers taking part in "sinful" activities according to Islamic law. Guys like Saddam and the president of Iran use Islam to control their countries.

My point is that I think it has more to do with these people's society they live in and those in power. A lot of these people couldn't care less about Islam or what it stands for, they just want a means to an end.

This isn't exclusive to any religion or organization. You see this is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, humanitarian organizations, etc. It's all the same: some people try to use these organizations as a means to an end that ultimately benefits themselves. It usually seems to come down to greed and pride.
 

Googer

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sm8000
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

Muslams are always murdering innocent muslam childern and non-muslam children.

What an incredibly ignorant, uneducated, flame-baiting statement.

Not all of them are, in fact far from it. You get that impression from the media. Want to know why? Because "Today more than 90% of the Muslim world coexisted in peace, tolerance and understanding of its neighbors" is not newsworthy. Those not included in that 90% figure are the ones who aren't strictly following the tenets of their religion, but are radicalizing it and giving the proper, peaceful ones a bad name and image to small minds like yours.

I knew I would get a reply like that.

I say that because allmost all self proclaimed "Islamic Fighters" like the Taliban, Hamas, Iraqi Insurgents, PLO, Al Queada, etc use children as shields, suicide bombers, and when they are fighting/attacking they make sure they that children are in easy reach of themselves so that when an American, British, Canadian, Austrailain, Israeli, etc try to fire back they want as many kids to make the non-muslum side look like baby killers. Watch a few insurgent videos and listen to the interviews they give to Rusty Humphries and other credible people. They will tell you this- Personaly.

EDIT: I am trying to find some video.
 

Aimster

Lifer
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There are over 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world.

Some people here like to bring up isolated incidents such as "THEY" killed a nun. Someone killed a nun and it is "THEY".

There are 7 million Muslims in the U.S.
20% of Israel is Muslim.
15% of India is Muslim
30-40% of Lebanon is Christian
10-19% of Russia is Muslim
10% of France is Muslim

Muslims and other religions live side-by-side in peace.

Those that go around labeling other religions as evil are the ones who are more dangerous than the very people they go around labeling.
 

Googer

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Aimster
There are over 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world.

Some people here like to bring up isolated incidents such as "THEY" killed a nun. Someone killed a nun and it is "THEY".

There are 7 million Muslims in the U.S.
20% of Israel is Muslim.
15% of India is Muslim
30-40% of Lebanon is Christian
10-19% of Russia is Muslim
10% of France is Muslim

Muslims and other religions live side-by-side in peace.

Those that go around labeling other religions as evil are the ones who are more dangerous than the very people they go around labeling.


Last I heard was France is 30% muslum. You also forgot about the United Kingdom and Germany. Both of those nations have a high percentage of muslums in their populous.
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

pretty sure that it's not that crystal clear

suicide bombings are not mentioned in the quran & murder is wrong in every religion.

when u think of suicide bombings who do u think of other than a "muslim"?
 
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

and it says that in what religion to kill non-believers?


how is that relevant to his response?
 
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

pretty sure that it's not that crystal clear

suicide bombings are not mentioned in the quran & murder is wrong in every religion.

when u think of suicide bombings who do u think of other than a "muslim"?

What other demographic regularly committs suicide bombings?

You're just jumping the gun and overly defensive, but ok.
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

and it says that in what religion to kill non-believers?


how is that relevant to his response?

why not? He was trying to make christianity look "good" while Muslims are "evil" by indirectly suggesting that the Quran says something about killing non-believers.
 
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

and it says that in what religion to kill non-believers?


how is that relevant to his response?

why not? He was trying to make christianity look "good" while Muslims are "evil" by indirectly suggesting that the Quran says something about killing non-believers.

o rly? It looks to me like he's just trying to make them justify their responses since he's a christian himself. But keep making assumptions.
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

pretty sure that it's not that crystal clear

suicide bombings are not mentioned in the quran & murder is wrong in every religion.

when u think of suicide bombings who do u think of other than a "muslim"?

What other demographic regularly committs suicide bombings?

You're just jumping the gun and overly defensive, but ok.

How about for the last few decades the majority of suicide bombings have been Arabs, around 99.9% of them have been Arab

Do all Arab countries suffer from a suicide bombing problems? NO.
Do all Arabs believe in suicide bombings? Of course not.

My point? Arabs are 12% of the Muslim population.

Suicide bombings in the Muslim world became widespread when the media started reporting on Palestinians blowing themselves up in Israel and the entire virgin heaven thing. Palestinians number in the 3 million mark. There is also no such thing as a virgin heaven or any such mention of it in the Quran.
 

magomago

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Aimster
There are over 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world.

Some people here like to bring up isolated incidents such as "THEY" killed a nun. Someone killed a nun and it is "THEY".

There are 7 million Muslims in the U.S.
20% of Israel is Muslim.
15% of India is Muslim
30-40% of Lebanon is Christian
10-19% of Russia is Muslim
10% of France is Muslim

Muslims and other religions live side-by-side in peace.

Those that go around labeling other religions as evil are the ones who are more dangerous than the very people they go around labeling.


Last I heard was France is 30% muslum. You also forgot about the United Kingdom and Germany. Both of those nations have a high percentage of muslums in their populous.

30% is way too high. In germany or britian I would be suprised to heart over 10%.

JS80: quote to me where the Quran is taught to kill non beleivers. And be careful and go back to the history in PN where I have written replies to MANY of them which are simply ripping out of context. Hell, i didn't even make my own interpretations as I did cut and paste the entire segment.
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

and it says that in what religion to kill non-believers?


how is that relevant to his response?

why not? He was trying to make christianity look "good" while Muslims are "evil" by indirectly suggesting that the Quran says something about killing non-believers.

o rly? It looks to me like he's just trying to make them justify their responses since he's a christian himself. But keep making assumptions.

Do you speak for him? I had no idea you could read minds. Wow. You are gifted.

I think it is clear what he was trying to imply.
 

JS80

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

you're right, but you're forgetting to add that they don't believe killing non-believers is "murder." In fact it's their religious duty.
 

magomago

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

pretty sure that it's not that crystal clear

suicide bombings are not mentioned in the quran & murder is wrong in every religion.

when u think of suicide bombings who do u think of other than a "muslim"?

What other demographic regularly committs suicide bombings?

You're just jumping the gun and overly defensive, but ok.

Tamil Tigers perfected it long before the Palestinians ever got into it - up until recently they were responsible for most of the "terrorism" in this world, but no one cared simply because they were localized within their own cause (just as Hamas or Hizbollah are localized in their own cause.). The only place you really saw them was Palestine...a region that hasn't seen peace for the longest time. It never appeared anywhere....but now we see them in Iraq: another country that was invaded.

Hmmm apparently it seems countries in the midst of war and instability have these problems ;)
So to argue it is an issue shared with religion is more difficult simply because that correlation doesn't hold across the board
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

you're right, but you're forgetting to add that they don't believe killing non-believers is "murder." In fact it's their religious duty.

wrong.

It does not say to kill non-believers.

Use common sense. If that was the case all the minorities in the Muslim countries would have been murdered on the streets by now by people who think they are carrying out their religious duties.
 

magomago

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: sm8000
Murder and suicide are strictly forbidden in Islam. Pretty sure that's in the Koran.

you're right, but you're forgetting to add that they don't believe killing non-believers is "murder." In fact it's their religious duty.

Please tell me where it is my religious duty to kill you JS80. If you can convince me the Quran says I have to kill you, maybe I will ;)

P.S. that was a joke and I don't intend to..but to show the absurdity of your comment.;)