eits
Lifer
yeah, wtf was that? i thought this video was going to actually be valuable and educational... something ignorant people might be able to learn something about.
unfortunately, it's just a bunch of people bashing islam.
the west already knows to bash islam... that's not something the west needs to know more of. the west needs to know that islam isn't a violent and hateful religion and the only reason why it is the way people perceive it today is because of the uneducated religious clerics who get put into power by governmental officials who take power.
the sound byte you heard where the person said, "[paraphrasing] you look at all the countries where islam is the major religion and you'll find a common link... they're all warring with their neighboring countries," is misguiding the argument to make it seem like it's islam that's the problem and not the fact that they're extremely poor countries where there's little to no education. they're taught everything, including religion, in a completely incorrect context and viewpoint.
for example, there's no where in the koran where it says women should cover themselves head to toe. all it says is that women shouldn't run around naked and neither should men. the only reference the koran has about any part of a woman being covered is that women should cover their pubic area and their bosom. that's a far cry from the "offenses" many of these women are sent to jail for, in which they went out in public without being completely covered.
education is the culprit... on both sides of this issue.
eits
Lifer
And we responded with violence to prove how peacefull we are when? I don't seem to remember that...
With the hypocrisy of the entire religion. Islam is nothing more than an oppresive authoritarian religion. Most religions grow up, Islam never has, there is a reason for that.
All religions have there faults, including Christianity. The problem is no one is as hypocritical about it as Islam is over an entire base. The entire religion glorified someone who was a womanizer, torturer and conqueror, based a so called "peaceful" religion off of that, and vow to kill anyone who says there religion is not peaceful.
You can defend it all you want, a nun was killed by them defended how peaceful they are.
eits
Lifer
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
my condolences to your parents...I would disagree.
From what little I know, it's inflexibility is always interpreted as oppressive.
It's interesting when you meet Islam by way of a person who recognizes and practices the inflexibility unto themselves but also practices tolerance of others. Once learns that man has indeed modified it at their own convenience on many occasions, but that such a thing is not the case with everyone.
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
It's really sad how much man has bastardized such wisdom.....holy books such as the Koran[sic] and the Bible, and other non-holy ones as well.
Fixed. Simple fact is you don't hear Jerry Falwell urging Christians to violence, and on the off chance he did, everyone would ignore him.
Christians have actually learned to ignore their crazy leaders. A year or so ago that wack job Pat Robertson said the State Department should be blown up. Nobody actually did it... The Muslims will learn this some day. Everyone posting on this board will be at least 1000 years in the grave by the time they do learn it but still... some day.
eits
Lifer
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
wow.
ANYWAYS, it makes no sense at all for you to continue this argument if you agree that the problem that muslims in poor areas are being misled and taught a completely perverted view of islam because they don't know better. if you agree that education is the problem, that means that you DO agree that islam is a peaceful religion and it's just being taught improperly.
you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time, do you?
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I disagree about the love part.
From what I have seen, Christianity in this country has become incredibly flexible. They have capitulated to things once thought to be abominable such as rock, punk, and now even rap to attract believers. Now the flexibility has shifted to gay marriage, reverence towards Jews, etc. One could point that out as a weakness, as many frequently do, but I have no desire to do that. Simply put, I find Islam flexible only in that many believers are tolerant of disbelievers, and generally inflexible in other respects, while I find Christianity to be quite flexible in almost every respect.
Frankly, the Muslims, mostly Islamic, that I know, are quite steadfast and unflinching, quite devoted to their practice, and I can easily see why such personalities see the west as weak and undetermined.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
wow.
ANYWAYS, it makes no sense at all for you to continue this argument if you agree that the problem that muslims in poor areas are being misled and taught a completely perverted view of islam because they don't know better. if you agree that education is the problem, that means that you DO agree that islam is a peaceful religion and it's just being taught improperly.
you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time, do you?
Education is the key to the population being able to modify the religion to a peacefull way. Right now the majority are young, poor, hopeless, uneducated. Education will allow the population to ignore the base of Islam, its violent authoritarian nature and take solely the good as they progress through a democratic life. As it is right now, with no education they are not able to do that. Eventually, hopefully they will. Education will only allow people to actually modify there religion, Islam as a religion though is a violent religion, it was taught that way, it was created by someone who practiced the violence and it is being handed down that way. Education and Tolerance will allow people to disregard the base of the religion, the violence of the religion and use a watered down version that allows them to fit into a secular life style. Like how Christianity does now.
eits
Lifer
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
wow.
ANYWAYS, it makes no sense at all for you to continue this argument if you agree that the problem that muslims in poor areas are being misled and taught a completely perverted view of islam because they don't know better. if you agree that education is the problem, that means that you DO agree that islam is a peaceful religion and it's just being taught improperly.
you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time, do you?
Education is the key to the population being able to modify the religion to a peacefull way. Right now the majority are young, poor, hopeless, uneducated. Education will allow the population to ignore the base of Islam, its violent authoritarian nature and take solely the good as they progress through a democratic life. As it is right now, with no education they are not able to do that. Eventually, hopefully they will. Education will only allow people to actually modify there religion, Islam as a religion though is a violent religion, it was taught that way, it was created by someone who practiced the violence and it is being handed down that way. Education and Tolerance will allow people to disregard the base of the religion, the violence of the religion and use a watered down version that allows them to fit into a secular life style. Like how Christianity does now.
... so, you're basically saying that you were being an idiot whenever you were bashing islam and that you should have been bashing the poor education of the people in these regions who learn an ass-backwards version of what islam really teaches, right?
you can't have it both ways.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
wow.
ANYWAYS, it makes no sense at all for you to continue this argument if you agree that the problem that muslims in poor areas are being misled and taught a completely perverted view of islam because they don't know better. if you agree that education is the problem, that means that you DO agree that islam is a peaceful religion and it's just being taught improperly.
you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time, do you?
Education is the key to the population being able to modify the religion to a peacefull way. Right now the majority are young, poor, hopeless, uneducated. Education will allow the population to ignore the base of Islam, its violent authoritarian nature and take solely the good as they progress through a democratic life. As it is right now, with no education they are not able to do that. Eventually, hopefully they will. Education will only allow people to actually modify there religion, Islam as a religion though is a violent religion, it was taught that way, it was created by someone who practiced the violence and it is being handed down that way. Education and Tolerance will allow people to disregard the base of the religion, the violence of the religion and use a watered down version that allows them to fit into a secular life style. Like how Christianity does now.
... so, you're basically saying that you were being an idiot whenever you were bashing islam and that you should have been bashing the poor education of the people in these regions who learn an ass-backwards version of what islam really teaches, right?
you can't have it both ways.
Are you usually this close minded? Or do you just like to disregard entire posts because you are afraid there might be some truth in them? You keep saying it is peaceful and education is the problem, yet educated Muslims still call for the death of the west. You really need to actually read a post and have a conversation about it, or just give it up. So how about you try reading it again, I know it might be hard, but I am sure you can.
eits
Lifer
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
wow.
ANYWAYS, it makes no sense at all for you to continue this argument if you agree that the problem that muslims in poor areas are being misled and taught a completely perverted view of islam because they don't know better. if you agree that education is the problem, that means that you DO agree that islam is a peaceful religion and it's just being taught improperly.
you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time, do you?
Education is the key to the population being able to modify the religion to a peacefull way. Right now the majority are young, poor, hopeless, uneducated. Education will allow the population to ignore the base of Islam, its violent authoritarian nature and take solely the good as they progress through a democratic life. As it is right now, with no education they are not able to do that. Eventually, hopefully they will. Education will only allow people to actually modify there religion, Islam as a religion though is a violent religion, it was taught that way, it was created by someone who practiced the violence and it is being handed down that way. Education and Tolerance will allow people to disregard the base of the religion, the violence of the religion and use a watered down version that allows them to fit into a secular life style. Like how Christianity does now.
... so, you're basically saying that you were being an idiot whenever you were bashing islam and that you should have been bashing the poor education of the people in these regions who learn an ass-backwards version of what islam really teaches, right?
you can't have it both ways.
Are you usually this close minded? Or do you just like to disregard entire posts because you are afraid there might be some truth in them? You keep saying it is peaceful and education is the problem, yet educated Muslims still call for the death of the west. You really need to actually read a post and have a conversation about it, or just give it up. So how about you try reading it again, I know it might be hard, but I am sure you can.
i do read them... and i end up running into contradictions in every series of posts you make. that's why i point them out for you... so that you might be able to realize, "yup, i'm an idiot who doesn't really know too much about anything except for what the media tells me."
most educated muslims DON'T call for the death of the west... that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. most educated muslims are on the forefront of making people understand that islam isn't a violent or hateful religion.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
wow.
ANYWAYS, it makes no sense at all for you to continue this argument if you agree that the problem that muslims in poor areas are being misled and taught a completely perverted view of islam because they don't know better. if you agree that education is the problem, that means that you DO agree that islam is a peaceful religion and it's just being taught improperly.
you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time, do you?
Education is the key to the population being able to modify the religion to a peacefull way. Right now the majority are young, poor, hopeless, uneducated. Education will allow the population to ignore the base of Islam, its violent authoritarian nature and take solely the good as they progress through a democratic life. As it is right now, with no education they are not able to do that. Eventually, hopefully they will. Education will only allow people to actually modify there religion, Islam as a religion though is a violent religion, it was taught that way, it was created by someone who practiced the violence and it is being handed down that way. Education and Tolerance will allow people to disregard the base of the religion, the violence of the religion and use a watered down version that allows them to fit into a secular life style. Like how Christianity does now.
... so, you're basically saying that you were being an idiot whenever you were bashing islam and that you should have been bashing the poor education of the people in these regions who learn an ass-backwards version of what islam really teaches, right?
you can't have it both ways.
Being poor doesn't necessarily make a country go war with neighbor, for example Ukraine is one of poorest countries in the world and they got rid of all nukes from soviet era.. Actually I can name more countries that are poor and don't promote violence, just a thought..
Education however may have to do something with it too (Ukrainians are 99% literate), but it seems that countries with sharia law aren't too concerned with general education (besides teaching koran)
eits
Lifer
Originally posted by: lyssword
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: eits
you're right... it's called the lack of education in underdeveloped areas.
the religion doesn't tend to dictate the country... unless education's gotten so bad, someone religious claims power and imposes religious laws, codes, rules, etc.
and the obvious and natural consensus is that most desert countries don't get developed because businesses don't want to stick around in areas where there's little to no water, sand storms, scorching dryness and heat, and scarce vegitation.... so, the lack of education stays a problem.
geez, you really are as dumb as you seem, aren't you?
No, I agree with you on that. Education would solve it, when your country is under a pure theocracy that does not tend to happen. What is funny though, are the clerics in the western world, enjoying our lifestyle calling for our death. They can do this because Islam is a violent religion. It is teached on violence. If you tried to rally christians around that cause you might pull a few, with some scriptures that exist in the bible, but overall it would not happen. This is because Christianity was taught on love. Of course, we must be politically correct and not offend anyone in the west. Take the moral high ground right?
I will say, that I have met and worked and studied with many muslims who were tolerant, and peacefull and loving. Islam as a religion is not that though.
wow.
ANYWAYS, it makes no sense at all for you to continue this argument if you agree that the problem that muslims in poor areas are being misled and taught a completely perverted view of islam because they don't know better. if you agree that education is the problem, that means that you DO agree that islam is a peaceful religion and it's just being taught improperly.
you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time, do you?
Education is the key to the population being able to modify the religion to a peacefull way. Right now the majority are young, poor, hopeless, uneducated. Education will allow the population to ignore the base of Islam, its violent authoritarian nature and take solely the good as they progress through a democratic life. As it is right now, with no education they are not able to do that. Eventually, hopefully they will. Education will only allow people to actually modify there religion, Islam as a religion though is a violent religion, it was taught that way, it was created by someone who practiced the violence and it is being handed down that way. Education and Tolerance will allow people to disregard the base of the religion, the violence of the religion and use a watered down version that allows them to fit into a secular life style. Like how Christianity does now.
... so, you're basically saying that you were being an idiot whenever you were bashing islam and that you should have been bashing the poor education of the people in these regions who learn an ass-backwards version of what islam really teaches, right?
you can't have it both ways.
Being poor doesn't necessarily make a country go war with neighbor, for example Ukraine is one of poorest countries in the world and they got rid of all nukes from soviet era.. Actually I can name more countries that are poor and don't promote violence, just a thought..
Education however may have to do something with it too (Ukrainians are 99% literate), but it seems that countries with sharia law aren't too concerned with general education (besides teaching koran)
it's not just the education... it also has to do with the harsh geography and the lack of opportunities they have for education and economic development because of it. read the post i made.
also, different countries have different sharia.
so are you saying people to the south are crazier than people at north? (perhaps cause ppl @ north spend more time at home/winter?) almost sounds believable untill N Korea pops up
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