I must say Islam has a lot of catching up to do. But they do have the demographics, conversions, and high birth rates going for them, unlike Judaism. The main thing Jews have going for us is that we are spread out, so we are like Gnutella, so it's harder to kill us. Which is why I am against having so many Jews leave European countries and go to Israel. Then we are more like Napster, easier to kill. Like the saying goes, when Jews are spread out, we are like fertilizer, but if we are concentrated, it's just a pile of sh!t.
Yeah, but unfortunately we aren't pumping kids out so our numbers are decreasing
And, Dari, some may say they believe in heaven and hell, but they probably don't practice very often, if at all, other than just saying they are Jewish.(kind of like the Christians who say they're Christian but the only thing they do is open presents on Christmas, but they never actually celebrate anything to do with Christ. And remember, getting a new GameCube and being happy over it isn't celebrating your saviors birth
) You have to remember, there is a big difference when someone just says they are of a certain faith and ones who practice it.
*sigh*
Corrections for some....
"Islam" has as much right to exist as Christianity. All terrorists are not Muslims, nor are all muslims terrorists. By the logic that something has to be 'done' with Islam, then something must also be done with Catholicism and Protestanism.... or are the Irish terrorists Muslims? Religion is not responsible for terrorism, idiotic fools are.
Islam is not 700-800 years younger than Christianity. It began becoming a widespread, well-known religion at around the 8th century A.D. (I don't intend to use the overly politically correct 'C.E.', or Common Era), but it's roots take it back several hundred more years.
Christianity is, for all intents and purposes, an extension from Judaism, not the other way around.
The Jews did not believe in hell. Nor do they now. Or, more precisely, the Torah (which is basically the Old Testament) makes no mention of the Christian Heaven or Hell. Neither does the Old Testament. There is mention of Heaven as the Kingdom of God, but not that it's a great reward for leading a virtuous life. When Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed, there is no mention of their souls suffering eternal torment. Satan does not exist in the Torah, or the Old Testament. Go ahead, check, I'll wait. Oh, the serpent? Well, it never says he's the devil, does it? All it says is that the Serpent tempted Eve with the knowledge to be as God. God was pissed off because, and I quote, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me, for I am a jealous God."
The concept that religion does not belong in government is understandable, based on our currently secular society. However, our secular society has absolutely NO right to dictate to the rest of the sovereign world how they may govern themselves. Also, why aren't complaining about Vatican City? It enjoys legal status as a separate nation, governed completely by the Pope. It has one of the most well-trained and well-armed security forces in the world. Imagine what could happen if they were unleashed in the middle of Rome. Shouldn't they then be 'dealt' with, as well?
Corrections for some....
"Islam" has as much right to exist as Christianity. All terrorists are not Muslims, nor are all muslims terrorists. By the logic that something has to be 'done' with Islam, then something must also be done with Catholicism and Protestanism.... or are the Irish terrorists Muslims? Religion is not responsible for terrorism, idiotic fools are.
Islam is not 700-800 years younger than Christianity. It began becoming a widespread, well-known religion at around the 8th century A.D. (I don't intend to use the overly politically correct 'C.E.', or Common Era), but it's roots take it back several hundred more years.
Christianity is, for all intents and purposes, an extension from Judaism, not the other way around.
The Jews did not believe in hell. Nor do they now. Or, more precisely, the Torah (which is basically the Old Testament) makes no mention of the Christian Heaven or Hell. Neither does the Old Testament. There is mention of Heaven as the Kingdom of God, but not that it's a great reward for leading a virtuous life. When Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed, there is no mention of their souls suffering eternal torment. Satan does not exist in the Torah, or the Old Testament. Go ahead, check, I'll wait. Oh, the serpent? Well, it never says he's the devil, does it? All it says is that the Serpent tempted Eve with the knowledge to be as God. God was pissed off because, and I quote, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me, for I am a jealous God."
The concept that religion does not belong in government is understandable, based on our currently secular society. However, our secular society has absolutely NO right to dictate to the rest of the sovereign world how they may govern themselves. Also, why aren't complaining about Vatican City? It enjoys legal status as a separate nation, governed completely by the Pope. It has one of the most well-trained and well-armed security forces in the world. Imagine what could happen if they were unleashed in the middle of Rome. Shouldn't they then be 'dealt' with, as well?
from my studies i seem to remember that islam started aroung 665 or thereabounts ad then spread rapidly. it coverd much of north africa, the mid east and iran within a decade or so.
I am a Jew. You are wrong. Judaism is not "westernized". Your comments about Islam are just as misinformed and bigoted...and you still haven't answered the question as to what your religion is??
610 A.D., actually. Though, Muhammed was born in 570. The precursors to the Islamic faith existed before then, based on teachings that claimed the Jews had corrupted the pure faith.
By the way, I am a completely neutral Agnostic. I went to Catholic School, studied the Jewish faith (don't ask), and have also studied Islam, Wicca, Satanism, and Atheism. I think they've all got interesting bits of information, I think they're all antiquated control processes.
However, people have a right to their beliefs and to govern themsleves by those beliefs. The First Amendment of the United States Constituion acknowledges the inalienable right of the people to free speech and free expression of religion. To say this only applies to Christians would be a typical Christian sentiment (reference: Crusades I through XI, Missionary efforts, Inquisition, etc.). To say this only applies to Americans is the most pompous, short-sighted, and bigoted statement an American could make, and denies the very essence of what our society is supposed to be about.
god you have an iggnorant view of islam
a friend of mine is a Major in the Army and is high up in the anti terrorist department, and even he knows/understands that terrorism is not inherent in islam.
a friend of mine is a Major in the Army and is high up in the anti terrorist department, and even he knows/understands that terrorism is not inherent in islam.
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
another discussion about who's imaginary friend is better?
Not yet! Right now it's more of a "what is your imaginary friend telling you to do" kind of thread
Actually, it's more of a "Are other people entitled to their imaginary friends, because obviously only my imaginary friend is real" kind of thread.
Originally posted by: Vic
There's something wrong with Freedom of Religion?:disgust:
Seeking to control what people believe in is the very definition of tyranny.
Dari doesn't seem to understand that.
soryy, i had gotten busy and neglected this thread
in answer to your question, both, depending on which sect. i think your making a reference to sheol, which is similar to the greek hades. there was an "afterlife" some went ot punishment, others to reward. the pharasees beleived in this literally, many saducees did to ,but did not beleive in a literal resurrection of the dead this idea(and in fact christianity itself.) comes striaght from pharasaical judaism. for the first few hundred years christianity took the writing to be very literal, it was not until augustine that heavey metophorical interpretation became prevelant in the catholic church, even to the point of "interpreting"..and acting.. opposite what teh bible actually said, and making it illegal for non preists to posses the bible or read it.
in fact you will find in the new testament where Yashua was in sheol during his 3 days of death preaching to the spirits of the dead(1 peter 4), this is not presented as a metophor or allegory.
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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Vic
There's something wrong with Freedom of Religion?:disgust:
Seeking to control what people believe in is the very definition of tyranny.
Dari doesn't seem to understand that.
i'm under the impression that it is more an issue of him not seeing anything wrong with that.
Frankly, I'm more concerned about Buddhists.
You can't get rid of them...they only come back for more in the next life.
You can't get rid of them...they only come back for more in the next life.
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Vic
There's something wrong with Freedom of Religion?:disgust:
Seeking to control what people believe in is the very definition of tyranny.
Dari doesn't seem to understand that.
Isn't that also a tenet of many religions, seeking to control what people believe in?
Since Mormonism is younger than Islam, will we have to worry about radical Mormons in the future?
MMM.. i think that every religion was INTENDED to be and do good. I don't think that Islam was necessarily an EVIL religion, although I do think it is distorted and abused, by its own followers.
A religion should be separated from its followers actions.
Yes, as I have stated before, I think Islam needs major reform, but the Title of this thread may be a wee bit offensive - to me, at least it sounds like its a PROBLEM. I think we should look closely if the religion itself is a problem, or if its practitioners are.
A religion should be separated from its followers actions.
Yes, as I have stated before, I think Islam needs major reform, but the Title of this thread may be a wee bit offensive - to me, at least it sounds like its a PROBLEM. I think we should look closely if the religion itself is a problem, or if its practitioners are.
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