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What is driving the GOP's Anti-Obama hysteria?

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shadow9d9 said:
Except that people are only "left" if they disagree with people here. That doesn't make them "left."

There is one left senator and hasn't been any "left" legislation in 20+ years...

Vaginal probes, restricting abortion, and other bedroom restrictions are ACTUAL legislation passed. Wars and endless occupations ACTUALLY happened.

Show some proof of "left" legislation pleased.
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Government scope and control continues to grow, does it not? I'd say that outside of their ridiculous morality laws, the "right" in Washington is actually quite to the left. They certainly aren't interested in reducing government, as evidenced by Bush and his Republican majority.
 
BoberFett said:
Government scope and control continues to grow, does it not? I'd say that outside of their ridiculous morality laws, the "right" in Washington is actually quite to the left. They certainly aren't interested in reducing government, as evidenced by Bush and his Republican majority.
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Quite to the left of what? The democrats are considered right compared to every other first world country!

Reducing government is NEVER done on either side and never will.
 
shadow9d9 said:
Why would they get rid of popular programs? What makes it "left" to support the elderly when our for profit organizations refuse to cover them for healthcare? Should we let them die in the street? Hell, the republicans have not legitimately tried to remove them... they actually EXPANDED medicare just a few years ago!
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Thanks for making my point. The right is actually quite left in some areas, despite your crying that there is no left in this country.
 
shadow9d9 said:
Except it isn't the "same." 2 wars while cutting taxes on rich, spying without a warrant on americans, going into debt during good economy... show me how that is the "same" as anything Obama pushed.
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You've completely missed the point of my reply. What drives Democrats to hate Republicans or Republicans to hate Democrats is no more mysterious or deep than the reason that cats chase mice.
 
BoberFett said:
Thanks for making my point. The right is actually quite left in some areas, despite your crying that there is no left in this country.
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Sorry, but there is nothing "right" or "left" about shrinking the scope of government.. at least not anymore. If you want to make up a definition and then use it as fact, it makes you look ridiculous.
 
shadow9d9 said:
Quite to the left of what? The democrats are considered right compared to every other first world country!

Reducing government is NEVER done on either side and never will.
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So you're claiming that taxpayer funded retirement and healthcare is not a mark of the left. Pray tell, what exactly would you consider leftist ideals that are not being properly represented?
 
zsdersw said:
You've completely missed the point of my reply. What drives Democrats to hate Republicans or Republicans to hate Democrats is no more mysterious or deep than the reason that cats chase mice.
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False equivalency doesn't tell the whole story.
 
shadow9d9 said:
Sorry, but there is nothing "right" or "left" about shrinking the scope of government.. at least not anymore. If you want to make up a definition and then use it as fact, it makes you look ridiculous.
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Considering that you find telling a child what they're eating for dinner makes one a fascist, I'd be careful who you call ridiculous, spanky.
 
Jaskalas said:
Well he may not be abroad, he IS doing an apology to Afghanistan as they kill our troops. When a paper book is > American lives, you got a problem.
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Apparently, this newsflash is necessary for ethnocentric Americans who have no idea what the rest of the world is like and thinks they should all have our same culture:

There are a couple of books in the world that millions upon millions of followers believe are more important than ANYONE'S individual life. In Afghanistan, going into someone's home and burning a Koran would oftentimes, in their culture, be seen as worse than going into their home and killing their wife.

Having a problem with Obama apologizing to the people of Afghanistan demonstrates how far removed you are from understanding the situation.
 
shadow9d9 said:
False equivalency doesn't tell the whole story.
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I was never trying to tell or interested in telling the whole story.

I'm not at all interested in the whole story; the whole story is just as boring and inane as every other partisan argument in these and other forums.
 
Why does every argument descend into slippery slope arguments about the size of government?

If you are worried about size of government then neither of these parties will vote your conscience.
 
BoberFett said:
So you're claiming that taxpayer funded retirement and healthcare is not a mark of the left. Pray tell, what exactly would you consider leftist ideals that are not being properly represented?
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When both parties and people embrace it, it transcends a side.
 
zsdersw said:
I was never trying to tell or interested in telling the whole story.

I'm not at all interested in the whole story; the whole story is just as boring and inane as every other partisan argument in these and other forums.
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Half stories are half truths.
 
DrPizza said:
Apparently, this newsflash is necessary for ethnocentric Americans who have no idea what the rest of the world is like and thinks they should all have our same culture:

There are a couple of books in the world that millions upon millions of followers believe are more important than ANYONE'S individual life. In Afghanistan, going into someone's home and burning a Koran would oftentimes, in their culture, be seen as worse than going into their home and killing their wife.

Having a problem with Obama apologizing to the people of Afghanistan demonstrates how far removed you are from understanding the situation.
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Sorry, that's the same argument used for not showing an image of Muhammad.

A culture that puts the destruction of an important book ahead of the destruction of a single life is not civilized, and we're wasting time trying to pretend they are, and only perpetuating it by apologizing for offending their unreasonably hair-trigger sensibilities.
 
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Atreus21 said:
Sorry, that's the same argument used for not showing an image of Muhammad.

A culture that puts the destruction of an important book ahead of the destruction of a single life is not civilized, and we're wasting time trying to pretend they are, and only perpetuating it by apologizing for offending their unreasonably hair-trigger sensibilities.
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You've basically just outlined the reason that attempts to "fix" the Arab world are bound for failure. In the US, I can host a Koran burning party where all the participants dance around the fire in Muhammad costumes. Our laws protect such speech, and our culture is supposed to promote the virtues of free speech over religious prudishness (although this does not always work).

However, going to another people and expecting them to hold the same values as us would be just silly. Imagine if there were an occupying force in the US from another culture, and they tore down the statue of liberty because "it was old, rusty, and a safety hazard". From their perspective, they're just getting rid of an old structure. From ours, they would be destroying a symbol of our most sacred value. There would almost certainly be riots. (I can also guarantee that any occupying force in the US would be met with an incredibly nasty guerrilla insurgency, at least as bloody as what we're seeing in Afghanistan.)

So yes, he was right to apologize. Burning Korans shows an incredible lack of respect for their culture, and makes clear to them that we have no business deciding what is right for them. Yes, the fact that they killed is completely unacceptable and unforgivable, but debates over the retaliation to the offense are separate from discussion of the offense itself. We can't argue that we were in the right burning those Korans, regardless of the severity of their reaction.
 
Atreus21 said:
Sorry, that's the same argument used for not showing an image of Muhammad.

A culture that puts the destruction of an important book ahead of the destruction of a single life is not civilized, .
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A country that executes its citizens is not civilized.

To the OP

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