What If Global Warming Turns Out To Be Real?

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BoberFett

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You aren't too familiar with "What If", are you?

Are you confusing "What If" for the ignore button?

What if the Flying Spaghetti Monster actually exists? What will humans do after millennia of worshiping false gods or even worse, no god?

I'd say the FSM being real and people literally melting from global warming have roughly the same chance of happening in the next million years.

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer, dumbass.
 

Newell Steamer

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What if the Flying Spaghetti Monster actually exists? What will humans do after millennia of worshiping false gods or even worse, no god?

I'd say the FSM being real and people literally melting from global warming have roughly the same chance of happening in the next million years.

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer, dumbass.

Hey, speaking of dumbass, remember that time when you kept announcing you are ignoring me by quoting the "you are ignoring this member"?

Yeah, that was pretty fucking stupid, because you weren't really ignoring me.

When I surpass that level of dumbassness, feel free to call me dumbass, dumbass.
 

BoberFett

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I took you off ignore, thought I'd take another shot at reading your posts because you made some good posts that other people quoted.

Clearly those good posts were just flukes.
 

sandorski

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15,000 years ago, there were glaciers with ice 1-2 miles high, that covered half of north america and half of europe. Who do we blame for that climate change? Neanderthal's lighting up their campfires?

The factors that caused them. Just like we are doing now. Seeing as how We are the ones spewing GHGs into the atmosphere in sufficient amounts to cause the CC going on, we get the blame for it.
 

natto fire

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15,000 years ago, there were glaciers with ice 1-2 miles high, that covered half of north america and half of europe. Who do we blame for that climate change? Neanderthal's lighting up their campfires?

Careful now. According to some people, there is no such thing as 15K years ago, insurmountable evidence be damned. I am not sure how those people deal with the global climate phenomenon, nor do I really care, since they omit a huge percentage of Earth's life.
 

natto fire

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Put me back on ignore fella, move along now.

I always took you as an over the top personality. Your gaseous inner center able to emiss a decent projectile every once in a while. Anyone who comes to this forum and expects anything besides regurgitated fud from a dozen people or so is going to have a bad time.
 

disappoint

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Then Bugs Bunny gets his wish:

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OverVolt

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15,000 years ago, there were glaciers with ice 1-2 miles high, that covered half of north america and half of europe. Who do we blame for that climate change? Neanderthal's lighting up their campfires?

If they could answer this question in detail then maybe I'd consider climate science settled. But at the moment I don't think the understanding of the climate is really there. You'd need a working model for the wild fluctuations in climate over long and short time frames.
 
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Logic and commonsense tells me that if we in the U.S. had clean everything it would not do JACK crap in terms for the world. It would have to be a global effort and China builds from my reading a coal-fired power plant once every week. Sure, Gore and friends can force them with our over regulating EPA BS laws and shit. :rolleyes:





I'm going on 35 in October. I can guarantee by the time I'm 70 (if I make it to 70) that technology will be far cleaner than it is today. Look at the past as an example. Look how far industry has gone since the industrial revolution.

Someone mentioned 'kicking back?' That's precisely what I'm doing with my popcorn and watching all the idiots fear monger about "global warming/climate change."

That is a fair point, and it is why we've been pressuring other countries to join in making changes.

I actually don't even know WTF you act like that's not exactly what climate scientists are saying is the entire world needs to take this seriously as this will impact everyone. You keep acting like this is all just a democrat/liberal ploy, when objective study is what other people are actually doing.

And that's the problem is people like you keep focusing on shit like that instead of actually spending the time to learn about the science.

Also like the other person said there are absolutely benefits just for Americans in regulating pollution.

Well no shit it'll be cleaner but you act like it would do that on its own without any motivation (and since you obviously don't think climate change is real, let alone that humans would do anything about it, that obviously isn't one). On top of that you've been critical of the government doing anything about that stuff when it wouldn't even being studied if it was left up to corporate economics.

Attn Global Warming nuts, Obama's iran deal will have a huge increase in carbon fuels with oil going to China where they give a rats behind about burning it clean.

Please continue beating your dead horse, NO MINDS are being changed, NOTHING will happen.

I live in Calif and nobody can predict the weather a week in advance, so don't plan on convincing me sufficient data is being collected, it is not.

And that is why people like you and John Connor are stupid. You paint everyone who is talking about the actual science as being politically focused, because that is what your agendas are.

Wait, weren't you just saying that minds could be changed if only people provided RAW data? Seriously can you make a coherent argument or have any clue what you're talking about?

First, the fact that you don't understand the difference between climate and weather, and then acting like your local TV weatherman being unable to predict exact weather nullifies climate science just shows how empty your argument is.

You refuse to look at the data, but you absolutely know it's not enough? Well obviously, because you've already made up your mind and outright show how total bullshit your stance is because it is not based on evidence or fact and you outright say you don't even care what the evidence is it could never be enough.

So what would be "sufficient data" for you?

15,000 years ago, there were glaciers with ice 1-2 miles high, that covered half of north america and half of europe. Who do we blame for that climate change? Neanderthal's lighting up their campfires?

If you actually bothered to look into this stuff you'd understand that is hardly some unexplained phenomenon that defeats all arguments about global warming.

Yes the climate changes naturally due to various reasons. Those are often taken into account in climate models and have been ruled out as being the main factor driving the warming over the past century.
 
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If they could answer this question in detail then maybe I'd consider climate science settled. But at the moment I don't think the understanding of the climate is really there. You'd need a working model for the wild fluctuations in climate over long and short time frames.

Answer what? How climate has changed in the past? Are you joking? Are you on a network that is somehow locked to Anandtech's forums?

That you would consider it settled over just that is alarming. Hell even the evidence that humans are largely responsible for the current warming doesn't settle all climate science and I have no clue why you're even thinking things like that, it's like you don't even understand at a base level what science is or does.

Holy shit, now I know you're just trolling and have not bothered to do anything at all to actually know anything about this topic. There are a lot of models, ones that take into account specific "wild fluctuations" and other things over short and long time frames.

Seriously actually spend some time to learn about this. Some of you people are ridiculous. "I'd believe them if they bothered to study this stuff, by the way I'm not going to bother seeing if they have or anything, but clearly they didn't because I don't know about it!" WTF?
 

Paratus

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If they could answer this question in detail then maybe I'd consider climate science settled. But at the moment I don't think the understanding of the climate is really there. You'd need a working model for the wild fluctuations in climate over long and short time frames.

Milankovitch Cycles

You see the Earth Orbits the sun. That orbit is not a circle but an ellipse.

The Earth orbits in a plane about the sun.

The Earth is also tilted on it axis. You may remember this is what gives us seasons.

The Earths orbit moves slightly closer and farther away, it's plane tends to move up and down slightly, it's tilt changes by a few degrees.

These changes take 20,000, 40,000, or 100,000 years.

When the changes align to move the Earth slightly farther away and tilt the northern hemisphere farther away the amount of solar energy falls and the Earth begins to cool.

  • Cooler air holds less water vapor - a greenhouse gas, which further accelerates cooling.
  • Ice increases at the poles which reflects more solar energy which further accelerates cooling
  • The ground freezes which stops chemical processes that release greenhouse gasses like CO2 and Methane which accelerate cooling.

That's how you get an ice age.

When the cycles move towards delivering more solar energy to the earth the process reverses.

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OverVolt

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Since orbital variations are predictable,[21] if one has a model that relates orbital variations to climate, it is possible to run such a model forward to "predict" future climate. Two caveats are necessary: that anthropogenic effects may modify or even overwhelm orbital effects; and that the mechanism by which orbital forcing influences climate is not well understood. In the most prominent anthropogenic example, orbital forcing from the Milankovitch cycles has been in a cooling phase for millennia, but that cooling trend was reversed in the 20th and 21st centuries due to warming caused by increased anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.[22]

The amount of solar radiation (insolation) in the Northern Hemisphere at 65° N seems to be related to occurrence of an ice age. Astronomical calculations show that 65° N summer insolation should increase gradually over the next 25,000 years.[23] A regime of eccentricity lower than the current value will last for about the next 100,000 years. Changes in northern hemisphere summer insolation will be dominated by changes in obliquity ε. No declines in 65° N summer insolation, sufficient to cause a glacial period, are expected in the next 50,000 years.

An often-cited 1980 study by Imbrie and Imbrie determined that, "Ignoring anthropogenic and other possible sources of variation acting at frequencies higher than one cycle per 19,000 years, this model predicts that the long-term cooling trend that began some 6,000 years ago will continue for the next 23,000 years."[24]

More recent work by Berger and Loutre suggests that the current warm climate may last another 50,000 years.

That is so not settled.
 
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disappoint

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What if the Flying Spaghetti Monster actually exists? What will humans do after millennia of worshiping false gods or even worse, no god?

I'd say the FSM being real and people literally melting from global warming have roughly the same chance of happening in the next million years.

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer, dumbass.

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