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mikeford

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While there is political use in arguing over the present data and research, its been about a decade and I don't see any minds changing.

If you actually want to see something done, and realize it will take a consensus that includes those skeptical of present data and research, then more data needs to be collected in as untainted of a fashion as possible.

An OPEN process.

Lots of raw data made available in the rawest form.

Research that isn't funded from a politically controlled source.

If this is purely a political exercise, please continue beating the dead horse.
 

Paratus

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While there is political use in arguing over the present data and research, its been about a decade and I don't see any minds changing.

If you actually want to see something done, and realize it will take a consensus that includes those skeptical of present data and research, then more data needs to be collected in as untainted of a fashion as possible.

An OPEN process.

Lots of raw data made available in the rawest form.

Research that isn't funded from a politically controlled source.

If this is purely a political exercise, please continue beating the dead horse.

So NASA, NOAA, ESA, the IPCC, etc are all funded by governments. I'm guessing you believe they are all politicized.

So who can we trust to give us data. :hmm:

Here's some example access to raw data by the way.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access

Let me know when you find the politicized part of the data set.
 

OverVolt

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Climate change is real, global warming not so much. Its really just one small part of the overall unsustainable resource use problem.
 
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Are you 12?

The ironing...

While there is political use in arguing over the present data and research, its been about a decade and I don't see any minds changing.

If you actually want to see something done, and realize it will take a consensus that includes those skeptical of present data and research, then more data needs to be collected in as untainted of a fashion as possible.

An OPEN process.

Lots of raw data made available in the rawest form.

Research that isn't funded from a politically controlled source.

If this is purely a political exercise, please continue beating the dead horse.

There is tons of raw data out there. That you act like that is an issue at all is just baffling. Seriously have you actually looked into this at all?

Data is not going to change the deniers' minds at this point. The people willing to actually bother learning about this, let alone willing to keep an open mind and possibly change have likely already done so (and there actually were people like that at one point, http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science-july-dec12-climatechange_09-17/).

When you consider that the deniers both admit they don't know what they're talking about (they straight up brag about their ignorance even) and have been working to prevent data from being collected I don't know why you think that is going to accomplish much of anything.

So NASA, NOAA, ESA, the IPCC, etc are all funded by governments. I'm guessing you believe they are all politicized.

So who can we trust to give us data. :hmm:

Here's some example access to raw data by the way.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access

Let me know when you find the politicized part of the data set.

But, but, but.
 
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Climate change is real, global warming not so much. Its really just one small part of the overall unsustainable resource use problem.

What? Earth has broken thermodynamics? You seem to be under the belief that Earth is in some form of equilibrium where when one part warms another part cools an equal amount. That is not correct.
 

Paratus

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What? Earth has broken thermodynamics? You seem to be under the belief that Earth is in some form of equilibrium where when one part warms another part cools an equal amount. That is not correct.

Well it has! It's because of:
Al Goredemort! CO2 is no longer a greenhouse gas and market based taxes fail to function in his presence! Because he's a wizard!


(At least according to the skeptics). ;)
 

Staples

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Of course it is real but the effects of it will not eradicate the entire human race. Less fresh water, higher temps, higher oceans. Food prices will rise.
 

pcgeek11

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I don't even think about it. It is pointless and there isn't squat anyone could do if it is happening.

Kick back and watch the show. I'll probably be dead anyway before anything comes of it.
 

John Connor

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Just another do as I say not as I do, blow had Liberal shill. Nothing to see here. And to think she said she wants to build like a billion solar cells in her first term. Bonifide nuts is an understatement of the technolgy driven future. What ever happend to let the market decide?

Anyway... Without further adieu I give you miss $500,000 a speech, my server my rules Clinton.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...NCH-aircraft-burns-347-gallons-fuel-hour.html
 

John Connor

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I don't even think about it. It is pointless and there isn't squat anyone could do if it is happening.

Kick back and watch the show. I'll probably be dead anyway before anything comes of it.


No you won't. By the time you and I are 70, cars will probably be hydrogen powered or something and technology will be such that pollution and all that rot will be greatly reduced. It will be fun to see what other propaganda story some elitist will concur up to the shepple masses though. LOL

I remember the London fog like it was yesterday... If I were from the 1800's. And time marches on.
 
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Just another do as I say not as I do, blow had Liberal shill. Nothing to see here. And to think she said she wants to build like a billion solar cells in her first term. Bonifide nuts is an understatement of the technolgy driven future. What ever happend to let the market decide?

Anyway... Without further adieu I give you miss $500,000 a speech, my server my rules Clinton.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...NCH-aircraft-burns-347-gallons-fuel-hour.html

Nothing to see yet you're the one that is making a fuss about it? I don't even have to ask if you listen to yourself because you clearly don't.

Also there's actually good reasons why someone in her position would be using private jets (just for time reasons alone, to say nothing of security and things like that). Of all the things to actually take issue with her about that is a minor one.

Not sure WTF you're going on about solar cells and the market. You act like they have to be mutually exclusive. But then understanding economics and why governments might do things to try and limit externalities (like pollution) which can actually save money overall, well again, I don't even have to guess if you have any clue about that.

No you won't. By the time you and I are 70, cars will probably be hydrogen powered or something and technology will be such that pollution and all that rot will be greatly reduced. It will be fun to see what other propaganda story some elitist will concur up to the shepple masses though. LOL

I remember the London fog like it was yesterday... If I were from the 1800's. And time marches on.

How old are you? You really are 12 aren't you? Because unless you're much much much younger than 50, then that isn't going to be true (that by the time you're 70), and it damn sure isn't if you let "the market decide" and governments don't work to regulate this stuff and subsidize a bunch of that.
 

John Connor

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Nothing to see yet you're the one that is making a fuss about it? I don't even have to ask if you listen to yourself because you clearly don't.

Also there's actually good reasons why someone in her position would be using private jets (just for time reasons alone, to say nothing of security and things like that). Of all the things to actually take issue with her about that is a minor one.

Not sure WTF you're going on about solar cells and the market. You act like they have to be mutually exclusive. But then understanding economics and why governments might do things to try and limit externalities (like pollution) which can actually save money overall, well again, I don't even have to guess if you have any clue about that.

Logic and commonsense tells me that if we in the U.S. had clean everything it would not do JACK crap in terms for the world. It would have to be a global effort and China builds from my reading a coal-fired power plant once every week. Sure, Gore and friends can force them with our over regulating EPA BS laws and shit. :rolleyes:


How old are you? You really are 12 aren't you? Because unless you're much much much younger than 50, then that isn't going to be true (that by the time you're 70), and it damn sure isn't if you let "the market decide" and governments don't work to regulate this stuff and subsidize a bunch of that.


I'm going on 35 in October. I can guarantee by the time I'm 70 (if I make it to 70) that technology will be far cleaner than it is today. Look at the past as an example. Look how far industry has gone since the industrial revolution.

Someone mentioned 'kicking back?' That's precisely what I'm doing with my popcorn and watching all the idiots fear monger about "global warming/climate change."
 

mikeford

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Attn Global Warming nuts, Obama's iran deal will have a huge increase in carbon fuels with oil going to China where they give a rats behind about burning it clean.

Please continue beating your dead horse, NO MINDS are being changed, NOTHING will happen.

I live in Calif and nobody can predict the weather a week in advance, so don't plan on convincing me sufficient data is being collected, it is not.
 

K1052

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Logic and commonsense tells me that if we in the U.S. had clean everything it would not do JACK crap in terms for the world. It would have to be a global effort and China builds from my reading a coal-fired power plant once every week. Sure, Gore and friends can force them with our over regulating EPA BS laws and shit. :rolleyes:

Uh…heavy metal, soot/PM, and oxide emissions are directly linked to many billions in health and environmental damage annually. Then there is the whole coal ash problem. This alone justifies the switch to cleaner domestic energy, reduced carbon emissions simply comes along with that. Coal is a 19th century energy source and it's past time to move along.
 

BoberFett

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Let us say, global warming is real. And, there comes a time, where everyone pretty much realizes the environment, and most of the life on this planet, is screwed.

Live stock has died due to extreme heat. Crops have been wiped out. The poles have melted. Sea levels have risen. Cities are submerged in water or are in ruin due to the extreme heat. In certain parts of the world people literally melt.

What do you think the surviving (but possibly soon to be dead) people will do?

I see some attempt to hide, inside mountains - above the current higher sea level, but in caves. Very few folks of whatever the worlds population ends up being at that time, will actually survive. Maybe not even at all,.. I also see serious backlash towards any climate deniers that may still be around. But, people will soon forget and just focus on staying alive somehow.

And, if and when the climate cools down and things return to normal; animal life and crops will sprout back. As well as any humans - however, I don't think any 'lessons learned' will carry through, but, rather a repeat of events.

People LITERALLY melt?

I can't wait to see that.
 
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People LITERALLY melt?

I can't wait to see that.
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TheGardener

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15,000 years ago, there were glaciers with ice 1-2 miles high, that covered half of north america and half of europe. Who do we blame for that climate change? Neanderthal's lighting up their campfires?