What has happened to the American Male: RANT ALERT!

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Well, when I read the very post that started this thread, I knew it would upset the Berkley Feel-Good Crowd, and I posted MHO anyway, knowing that I was being true to myself.

Opinions are like you-know-whats; everybody has one. I don't expect 90% of the folks on this board to understand my mindset. First off, half the people on this board still live with Mommy, so their opinion is a non-issue. The rest mostly live in a college dorm room like a rat in a hole in the wall, and have never been on their own, let alone cohabitated or been married and exposed to the whole men vs. women thing, nor had their manhood and/or mindset tested by a woman aiming to emasculate them thru either a forced Family Van purchase or just plain old henpecking.

I consider my mindset to be quite unique. There can be a coexistence b/t chivalry, old-fashioned thinking and modern thought. I believe in respect towards women. I believe women should work (if necessary) but I also believe that men are the dominant half of the species. Period. As such, what I say goes. When it comes to "this house" and "taking care of things" those decisions need to be left with the clearer-thinking of the two sexes.

There are plenty of women out there that agree with me. However, unfortunatelty, they all seem to want a large (as in two or more kids) family.

My mindset seems to also (unfortunately) fall in line with the "Emascualted Family Man" which is totally against my line of thought.

I will probably live my life out as a bachelor with a girlfriend. That is fine by me. Most women just don't appreciate a man who will work on the car at three in the morning or rewire the home theatre in the middle of the day.

So you are saying you can't find a woman even dumber than you are who wants 1 or 2 children at most?

 

[Moonbeam]

I will probably live my life out as a bachelor with a girlfriend. That is fine by me. Most women just don't appreciate a man who will work on the car at three in the morning or rewire the home theatre in the middle of the day.
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You're probably right about that. When it comes to relationships, those are pretty useless traits. Otherwise they're ok though.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Well, when I read the very post that started this thread, I knew it would upset the Berkley Feel-Good Crowd, and I posted MHO anyway, knowing that I was being true to myself.

Opinions are like you-know-whats; everybody has one. I don't expect 90% of the folks on this board to understand my mindset. First off, half the people on this board still live with Mommy, so their opinion is a non-issue. The rest mostly live in a college dorm room like a rat in a hole in the wall, and have never been on their own, let alone cohabitated or been married and exposed to the whole men vs. women thing, nor had their manhood and/or mindset tested by a woman aiming to emasculate them thru either a forced Family Van purchase or just plain old henpecking.

I consider my mindset to be quite unique. There can be a coexistence b/t chivalry, old-fashioned thinking and modern thought. I believe in respect towards women. I believe women should work (if necessary) but I also believe that men are the dominant half of the species. Period. As such, what I say goes. When it comes to "this house" and "taking care of things" those decisions need to be left with the clearer-thinking of the two sexes.

There are plenty of women out there that agree with me. However, unfortunatelty, they all seem to want a large (as in two or more kids) family.

My mindset seems to also (unfortunately) fall in line with the "Emascualted Family Man" which is totally against my line of thought.

I will probably live my life out as a bachelor with a girlfriend. That is fine by me. Most women just don't appreciate a man who will work on the car at three in the morning or rewire the home theatre in the middle of the day.

So you are saying you can't find a woman even dumber than you are who wants 1 or 2 children at most?

[smirk]Eh-heheheheh...funny guy.[/smirk]

Actually, my current GF wants no children at all. We agree that children are expensive, disease-ridden, time-consuming, money-sucking, life-energy draining, career and relationship-ruining useless additions to any smooth-running relationship.

But it's not all roses and any relationship and we have our problems. Who doesn't? I have been made fun of, derided and sometimes attempts at public humilation have even been attempted due to my anti-family stance. That's great. I love a good fight.

Fully 75% of the guys I knew 10- 12 years ago that fell in love and had a family with the white picket fence are now divorced, with ruined credit and driving a POS vehicle b/c the ex-wife got the new truck, the house with everything in it and custody of the kids. No thank you.

When and if I get married, there will be no children. So that eliminates any possibility of future child support payments. There will be a prenup (iron-clad) so I don't lose my shirt in the divorce, if it happens. All you have to do is plan ahead.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I will probably live my life out as a bachelor with a girlfriend. That is fine by me. Most women just don't appreciate a man who will work on the car at three in the morning or rewire the home theatre in the middle of the day.
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You're probably right about that. When it comes to relationships, those are pretty useless traits. Otherwise they're ok though.

Auto repair and/or wiring skills/creativity are useless traits? How so? They may not appy directly to the relationship, i.e. like having the ability to talk things out or nuture, but (I hate to do this) haven't you ever heard the phrases commonly uttered by a woman as the man is squishing the bug or fixing the sink "It's so nice to have a man around!"

 

[Pliablemoose]

As I glance from my computer desk into the living room that's 1/3 covered in slate gray tile (with a killer 6 inch diagonal cut border around what will be the carpeted area, then look out to the patio & see my tile saw, both unused this morning cuz I have to go to the dentist...

We emasculated ourselves, how many of you peeps that drive (you can live @ home for this rant) change your own oil? Takes about ~$50 (including ramps) and will save you tons of money. Change your own air filter? Fuel filter? Transmission fluid? Spark plugs? Distributor cap & rotor?

Seriously, the U.S. male has had his nads cut off for about 20 years, we've become middlemen for middlemen. I change my own oil & do most of my own auto service where it's practical. & I do the majority of my home repairs too. Most of the guys I work with don't know what a box end wrench is, much less use one...

And for the Moonbeams (who has an excellent point, to cut yourself off from your creative side is stupid too) out there, I 've baked my own bread & changed oil on the same day (have to wash my hands pretty good, though).

I just wish I could get this tile mortar off my toenails (a good reason not to set tile barefoot).

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
As I glance from my computer desk into the living room that's 1/3 covered in slate gray tile (with a killer 6 inch diagonal cut border around what will be the carpeted area, then look out to the patio & see my tile saw, both unused this morning cuz I have to go to the dentist...

We emasculated ourselves, how many of you peeps that drive (you can live @ home for this rant) change your own oil? Takes about ~$50 (including ramps) and will save you tons of money. Change your own air filter? Fuel filter? Transmission fluid? Spark plugs? Distributor cap & rotor?

Seriously, the U.S. male has had his nads cut off for about 20 years, we've become middlemen for middlemen. I change my own oil & do most of my own auto service where it's practical. & I do the majority of my home repairs too. Most of the guys I work with don't know what a box end wrench is, much less use one...

And for the Moonbeams (who has an excellent point, to cut yourself off from your creative side is stupid too) out there, I 've baked my own bread & changed oil on the same day (have to wash my hands pretty good, though).

I just wish I could get this tile mortar off my toenails (a good reason not to set tile barefoot).

I have rebuilt engines and do any repairs on my car that do not require me removing the engine since I really do not have the equipment or time to devote to that. There is a certain satisfaction that comes from doing things like this yourself. For what it is worth my wife is pretty good with home improvement stuff all on her own so it is not a male only trait. She definitely has the more creative view of the 2 of us while I am more into the grunt work side of things. The next big project for us will be finishing our basement.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Mrs Pliablemoose is pretty handy too, except her idea to turn my computer room into a media/study room for the family has gone horrible wrong, usually I'd be alone in the room on the net goofing off, but this morning my 12 year old is in the room trying to IM her new boyfriend from math camp, and my 9 year old is playing Reader Rabbit. The cats (all 3) are in here too, & if the kitten doesn't quit playing with my mouse cable, I'm going to chuck her into the microwave & watch her head pop...

 

[phantom309]

John Wayne never changed his principals. He didn't care about who he offended, because he knew in his heart what was right. He never took any crap off of anyone, if someone made a move on his woman, he warned them what would happen then followed through on it. John Wayne was a man's man. He knew how a woman should be treated: With respec and dignaty, but that did not mean she could walk all over him either. He had no problem telling her when she was wrong, but he also did not beat her over it, he talked it out told his stance and let her know where she stood. Even in his most "tender" moments, you had no doubt he was a man. Strong silent type. Actions spoke louder than words. He honored his word, and a handshake was a deal that you honored with your word, not paper contracts and mealy mouthed legal speaking lawyers.

I love it when right-wingers ask where the "real men" are, or bitch about the demise of the "Real American Family", then use FICTITIOUS CREATIONS OF HOLLYWOOD as examples.

 

[Moonbeam]

You're right phantom, in the handyman department they could hold up GW. He fixed an entire election.

 

[Electric Amish]

Today we all worry about who we might offendToday we all worry about who we might offend

I don't.

amish

 

[Cougar]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

The women back then knew their place and had no problem with it!!! They were HAPPY that the man worked hard, bought them a nice house in a nice neighborhood. The women WERE PROUD to stay home and keep a clean, tidy house and bake cookies for the neighbor kids. [disgust]Unlike women today that guffaw when asked "honey, can you please make me a sandwich?" women back then would bring it to you with a cold drink and a smile on their face

Well the women of this generation would still be willing to do that except they realize what a bunch of pussies the men of this generation are. They waste their money on Kiddie crap like the Xbox and sissy drinks like Smirnof's Malt Liqour, listen to effeminate music like DMB, drive girlyman cars made by the Japanese, cry that only the bad guys get the women, Post in forums like this one that they are so disatisfied with their lives, argue themselves into a frenzy over which is better,Intel or AMD,shave their chests and bikini lines and spend the better part of their evenings neffing up.

Oh, that is so not cool. You have besmirched my beloved video games and Dave Matthews.....I must kill you now.

Also, every knows that Humphrey Bogart was way cooler than John Wayne (ducks for cover)

EDIT:

Oh yeah, while DMB is cool, Sinatra was a god!

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Ulfwald
What has happened to the American male? Today we all worry about who we might offend, change our stance based on how the general public feels. We had much rather back down, for fear of being called a bully.

John Wayne never changed his principals. He didn't care about who he offended, because he knew in his heart what was right. He never took any crap off of anyone, if someone made a move on his woman, he warned them what would happen then followed through on it. John Wayne was a man's man. He knew how a woman should be treated: With respec and dignaty, but that did not mean she could walk all over him either. He had no problem telling her when she was wrong, but he also did not beat her over it, he talked it out told his stance and let her know where she stood. Even in his most "tender" moments, you had no doubt he was a man. Strong silent type. Actions spoke louder than words. He honored his word, and a handshake was a deal that you honored with your word, not paper contracts and mealy mouthed legal speaking lawyers. (no offense Frenchie)

A fair fight meant you both settled it right then and there, no going back later with a gun because you got your a$$ whooped on, and afterwards you usually wound up sitting in a bar talking about tomorrow's business over a beer and a shot of whiskey.

Respect is something you earned, and then worked damned hard to keep. It wasn't earned over the point of a gun, it was earned by working hard, standing up for your beliefs, admitting when your wrong, and keeping it all fair. But fair does not mean that everyone has equal stuff, it means that everyone has equal opportunity to make their life what they want.

Where are those men today?

Rant over

For the most part, I agree wholeheartedly with that rant, I am opposed to political correctness. Don't get me wrong, I don't make racial slurs - those are for the ignorant, but I do NOT go out of my way to be politically correct, I am a short white guy, not a caucasian male of average height, that guy over there is a tall black guy, not an African-American male, if you get your feelings hurt by being called black or white, or oriental, grow a pair, then we will talk.