What has happened to the American Male: RANT ALERT!

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I have ranted about this before, and personally, I see nothing wrong with the "1950's America Mindset." I feel (and I stress the "I FEEL" part...my opinion is mine and you don't have to like it. ) that the 1950's were a better time. Post-war, booming economy...the good old days.

Hey, I loved your role in "Pleasantville".

I'm guessing that you didn't actually live in the 1950s. Neither did I, which is why I have a tendency to view this sort of back-then nostalgia with a lot of skepticism. Society changes, but people don't, and a lot of the images of the golden age society are likely just those -- images.

People talk about how simpler lives are better, but that's just a grass is greener syndrome. Don't want a high-crime hectic-bustle commuting nine-to-five paper-pushing job? Move to a rural community, grow vegetables in your own back yard, sit on your front porch in the evening sipping ice tea and chatting with your neighbors. There are places like that which still exist, but there are also things to be (depending on your perspective) given up by going there. You won't have the convenience of your local Best Buy/Wal-Mart/Blockbuster, you may not have DSL or cable (or even toll-free dialup!).

Your life can be how you want it to be, but you have to be willing to make the decisions and changes necessary.

You are correct; I did not grow up in the 1950's. I wasn't even alive until the late 60's. However, my relatives, including my cousins were raised during the 1950's and have verified "that is the way it is back then." Life is never all peaches and cream...never was, never will be. However, I believe that it was better back then. (Most)Men knew what was expected of them. (Most)Women knew what was expected of them. There; politically correct enough for you?

 

[Geekbabe]

Since John Wayne is dead,it might be shocking if more just like him were walking aound

All that aside,my "place" is wherever I decide I want to be

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: baffled2
Since John Wayne is dead,it might be shocking if more just like him were walking aound

All that aside,my "place" is wherever I decide I want to be

I respect that. I respect your right as an individual (as opposed to "female") to think that way. However, most women with that attitude that I have met are single...and whining about it. Just my two cents.

I have a few female friends that "are independent and won't have a man ordering me around." And they sit home with their cats on a Saturday night.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: baffled2
Since John Wayne is dead,it might be shocking if more just like him were walking aound

All that aside,my "place" is wherever I decide I want to be

I respect that. I respect your right as an individual (as opposed to "female") to think that way. However, most women with that attitude that I have met are single...and whining about it. Just my two cents.

I have a few female friends that "are independent and won't have a man ordering me around." And they sit home with their cats on a Saturday night.

I'm not bitchy or militant about anything,nor am I whinning about anything.I just live my life and btw, haven't had a lot of trouble finding men who like my attitude.

 

[Red Dawn]

I have a few female friends that "are independent and won't have a man ordering me around." And they sit home with their cats on a Saturday night.

Where as you are sitting at home on Saturday Night posting at ATOT.

 

[UltraQuiet]

I distinctly remember my Dad telling me and some of my buddies what a bunch of pussies our generation was. I also remember that anyone who disagreed got his ass kicked for his trouble.... and to prove a point.


The more things change...

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I have a few female friends that "are independent and won't have a man ordering me around." And they sit home with their cats on a Saturday night.

Where as you are sitting at home on Saturday Night posting at ATOT.

it is monday, my friend...

 

[Red Dawn]

it is monday, my friend...

It's also not night time meat..and your point?

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

The women back then knew their place and had no problem with it!!! They were HAPPY that the man worked hard, bought them a nice house in a nice neighborhood. The women WERE PROUD to stay home and keep a clean, tidy house and bake cookies for the neighbor kids. [disgust]Unlike women today that guffaw when asked "honey, can you please make me a sandwich?" women back then would bring it to you with a cold drink and a smile on their face

Well the women of this generation would still be willing to do that except they realize what a bunch of pussies the men of this generation are. They waste their money on Kiddie crap like the Xbox and sissy drinks like Smirnof's Malt Liqour, listen to effeminate music like DMB, drive girlyman cars made by the Japanese, cry that only the bad guys get the women, Post in forums like this one that they are so disatisfied with their lives, argue themselves into a frenzy over which is better,Intel or AMD,shave their chests and bikini lines and spend the better part of their evenings neffing up.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine?

And I suppose beer is a "man's drink" (i've heard this often enough here)? What a load of crap. neither beer nor smifnoff ice should be considered alcohol. If you want a soft drink, get a smirnoff ice, if you want alcohol, get a vodka or other liquor.

 

[Red Dawn]

And I suppose beer is a "man's drink" (i've heard this often enough here)? What a load of crap. neither beer nor smifnoff ice should be considered alcohol. If you want a soft drink, get a smirnoff ice, if you want alcohol, get a vodka or other liquor.

Man's Drink? Try a spitoon full of chaw juice and then brag to me about a man's drink! Damn Nancyboy!

 

[CocaCola5]

Paradigm shift occurred, more large urban sprawls. Seriously, you only have to move to a small town well removed from large cities, more simplicity of life. Complex life ie city, makes complicated people and varying socially accepted conducts of behavior which creates tensions in itself esp. for people not used to it. The modern John Wayne is probably a local TV repair man, a baker, maybe a coach of a hs team...

 

[Kadarin]

Daniel Keyes Moran (SF writer) expressed an interesting idea, that women are good for sex and for making babies, and that's about it. However, he goes on to say that people of all types are fascinating and all sorts of other adjectives, and should be treated with respect. In other words, he separates the gender from the individual. I'm not sure I agree with that, but it's an interesting idea.

 

[Booster]

My hero is Alain Delon. I know he isn't exactly much of a super strong guy, and in some of the movies he was ridiculously humiliated b/c of his characters, but I still admire the level of his works and his personality as well.

And my opinion is that things haven't changed much from the past. Every day I see many different people -- big, strong, people of action and other types of people. And I'm sure that it's always been so.

 

[Moonbeam]

The world, our world, the western world, is changing. We are moving to sex equality mostly to feed two incomes into the corporate maw. Men, particularly white young upwardly mobile, or supposedly so, men are hit the hardest. They have been yanked from their seat at the head of the table. They don't command the automatic respect they once did, nor are they really necessary for women, either reproductively, with artificial insemination, economically, women often earn more, or emotionally, because they are usually emotionally more like children than equal partners, or even sexually, with the advent of power toys. Men, in short, are becoming superfluous, and considering that they and their emotional immaturity is responsible for most of the wars, killing, sexual crimes, as well as other crime, the world would be better off with far far fewer of them. Dealing with the subconscious realization that society is structured in a way that tells you you once were but now are no longer relevant is quite trying on the emotionally immature. Outward evidence of inner worthlessness is practically impossible to counter without inner resources, self knowledge that leads to self valuation. So instead of men, we are producing millions and millions of tantrums waiting to happen. She pulled in front of me. He ripped me off and on and on and on. You see men banding to gather in orgs like the Promise Keepers. 'I'll be good, I'll be good, Please gimme some sex. I'll be emotionally attentive' right up, that is until climax when it's sleepy-by or cigarette time.

The problem, of course, is that men, macho men, John Wayne men, are emotionally dead. They can't allow themselves to feel. They can't take care of their emotional needs on a kindergarten level and are thus useless when it comes to taking care of their mate's or children?s' emotional needs. Men need to become what the really are and dread. They need to become women. Not completely, but emotionally. They need to become vulnerable, open, and alive, tender soft and caring because it is what they really are. The ideal that most men have of manhood is a disease. Kisses from Moonbeam. I'm baking bread. Beside my mouse I have a bowl with two beautiful deep red African daisies floating in water that I rescued from a wilting bouquet. I'm playing a female warrior in Neverwinter, but it's because I like to watch her butt wiggle when she walks.

 

[Red Dawn]

Moonbeam AKA Threadkiller

 

[Booster]

The problem, of course, is that men, macho men, John Wayne men, are emotionally dead. They can't allow themselves to feel. They can't take care of their emotional needs on a kindergarten level and are thus useless when it comes to taking care of their mate's or children?s' emotional needs. Men need to become what the really are and dread. They need to become women. Not completely, but emotionally. They need to become vulnerable, open, and alive, tender soft and caring because it is what they really are. The ideal that most men have of manhood is a disease.

As much as I agree with the fact that the times are changing, some things can never change. Men shouldn't become women in any sense, IMVHO, b/c it would inevitably lead to degradation. I believe that both men and women should follow their nature and then the things will be much better, IMO. I don't mean any social things, just on the level of nature.

 

[Martin]

. They need to become women. Not completely, but emotionally. They need to become vulnerable, open, and alive, tender soft and caring because it is what they really are.

No thanks, I'd rather not be those things. I keep my feelings to myself and that's the way I likes it!

 

[Moonbeam]

Booster, as much as I agree with you, the problem, of course, is that you think that men's nature is somehow relevantly different than women's. The point I'm making for emphasis is that men's nature is much much much more like the stereotype of women's than 'men' believe. Because of the huge lopsided stereotype attached to manliness as different from feminity, your notion, I think, is just an attempt to protect the illusionary common perception. I wouldn't really care except that men suffer tremendously form trying to conform to a sick model. It's worth it, in my opinion, to go out a bit on a limb to suggest we men start looking at things differently.

 

[Nefrodite]

in a free society, males will be whatever it is that lets them successfully find mates so um, blame the women

The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: kduncan5
The bleeding heart, politically correct, lawsuit loving minority were given power over all our lives and life as we know it will never be the same. Goodbye integrity, hello paranoia. -kd5-

 

[p0ntif]

I wonder if anyone ever asked 'what ever happened to the neaderthal male?'

Seriously though, the type of attributes you think are becoming scarcer always were. I doubt they were ever commonplace. It's just one archtype that we have all come to idolize thanks to popular television and hollywood. It really is admirable though. just try to live your life according to your own ideals, and maybe you'll set a good example for someone else to live up to. In the meantime . . .

 

[ThreeLeggedGnome]

I might have forgotten but what exactly did John Wayne do besides acting tough on TV/movies? He actually said some really retarded things in real life especially one about native americans being selfish. What really funny is that more people know about some tough guy in movies and think he's manly. He's not. People that invented light bulbs, airplanes, antibiotic, x-ray, computer OS's, calculus, relativity theory, aids and cancer vaccines (someday), landed on the moon, wrote the U.S. Constitution ...... Those were the real men/women. They didnt have to act tough to put anybody in his/her place because I'm sure they knew in their heart what they should think/act in the best interest of their fellow human beings.

 

[MichaelD]

Bump this up until I get a cup of coffee...then I can start with the Manly Man Rhetoric.

 

[wQuay]

Well the women of this generation would still be willing to do that except they realize what a bunch of pussies the men of this generation are.

Amen. Women become masculine only when men become effeminate and abdicate their responsibilities.

 

[MichaelD]

Well, when I read the very post that started this thread, I knew it would upset the Berkley Feel-Good Crowd, and I posted MHO anyway, knowing that I was being true to myself.

Opinions are like you-know-whats; everybody has one. I don't expect 90% of the folks on this board to understand my mindset. First off, half the people on this board still live with Mommy, so their opinion is a non-issue. The rest mostly live in a college dorm room like a rat in a hole in the wall, and have never been on their own, let alone cohabitated or been married and exposed to the whole men vs. women thing, nor had their manhood and/or mindset tested by a woman aiming to emasculate them thru either a forced Family Van purchase or just plain old henpecking.

I consider my mindset to be quite unique. There can be a coexistence b/t chivalry, old-fashioned thinking and modern thought. I believe in respect towards women. I believe women should work (if necessary) but I also believe that men are the dominant half of the species. Period. As such, what I say goes. When it comes to "this house" and "taking care of things" those decisions need to be left with the clearer-thinking of the two sexes.

There are plenty of women out there that agree with me. However, unfortunatelty, they all seem to want a large (as in two or more kids) family.

Many of my so-called "Neanderthal Tendencies" i.e. "I'm the Boss" tendencies (unfortunately) fall in line with the "Emascualted Family Man", guys that WANT twenty kids, which is totally against my line of thought.

I will probably live my life out as a bachelor with a girlfriend. That is fine by me. Most women just don't appreciate a man who will work on the car at three in the morning or rewire the home theatre in the middle of the day.