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What does the confederate flag mean in modern times?

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I was in a hospital waiting room once in Michigan and there was a bunch of people in the room with me with kids and stuff, they happend to be black. After they left the room was totally trashed, food and magazines laying all over. Then this black cleaning lady walks by the room, glances over it and says outloud "cracker" then walks on. The irony in this is that she was sort of blaming me and it was black people who did it. I never call anyone racial slurs and yet I get called them for stuff I didn't even do.
 

According to the Anto flag people here were should hete all the following groups-

Blacks- held white slaves in Africa

White californians- Opressed the chinese laborers that helped build the railroads.

Golfers - Many counbtry clubs are "anti-Black"

Christians - Don't like jews

Mormons - Oppressed women

The Cathlic Church - Oppressed it congregation through Taxation and FEAR.

White Americans - killed and relocated MILLIONS of Indians

Wow is there any group that is good?

Of course these are just a few BUT the point is made, when you judge to whole by the act of the few you are foolish and should expect the same treatment.

Ameeesh you claim all southern flag waving types are Racist and theive because two guys robbed your house?

I caught an asian Guy breaking into my car when I was 19 should I hate all asians?

You claims to have such life experiences and yet you look to one or two thing and draw HUGE GENERALZATIONS from


maybe so, but you generally don't see people waving the flag at said oppressed people. or using it as a sign in your store or restaurant that certain people aren't welcome inside. or when a certain minority is put to death in prison.. its numerous uses during battles over segregation. history is not the flags friend. etc etc etc etc.
 
All i am saying is that you guys need to take a step back and look at the picture as a whole:


Black people in the south dont fly the Confederate flag, why?

Black People in general dont vote for people like Alan Keyes, why?

Black people in the south dont appreciate it when other people fly the confederate flag, why?


If it is such a beningn symbol and has nothing to do with bigotry and hatred why would they be opposed to it?


 


<< Beer-drinking redneck in an old @ss pickup truck? >>



yes, and 75% of the redneck racist people at my present/soon to be past community college.
 
the south is not nearly as tolerant as you guys make it out to be. The simple fact is that the population of the DEEP south is not very diversified.
 
All i am saying is that you guys need to take a step back and look at the picture as a whole:


Black people in the south dont fly the Confederate flag, why?

Black People in general dont vote for people like Alan Keyes, why?

Black people in the south dont appreciate it when other people fly the confederate flag, why?


If it is such a beningn symbol and has nothing to do with bigotry and hatred why would they be opposed to it?






bingo, there seems to be a whole lot of denial around😛 Why was the flag only placed on the capitol pole in 1962 as a symbol of unity against desegregation? Why was it used and still is by the klan and other such groups. Why was it waved around by supporters of those against civil rights. Why was it used as a symbol that certain people weren't welcome in certain establishments.

apparently the flag also symbolizes a vision of the south that isn't so happy and gay if your not white.


and anyone that has to bring up alan keyes as his token black is desperately grasping at straws. he goes into the same catagory as the log cabin republicans(homosexual republicans).
 


<< the south is not nearly as tolerant as you guys make it out to be. The simple fact is that the population of the DEEP south is not very diversified. >>


What a wonderfully ignorant statement. Lets compare Vermont and Alabama as an example. Vermont is 96.8% white while Alabama is 71.1% white. The national average is 75.1% white so where exactly did you pull that statement about diversity from? Perhaps in the future you might want to investigate a few facts before making such an uninformed statement.
 


<< What does the confederate flag mean in modern times? >>


It means, Hi, I'm brainless.
 


<< It means, Hi, I'm brainless. >>


If that's the case you must own several of them. It's a toss up for who is the most ignorant, you or Nefrodite. I think we'll just declare a tie.
 


<< The ignorance is amazing. Just amazing. >>

No it's not, it's typical for those under the age of 30 who have migrated to ATOT from AOL Chatrooms which is about 50% of those who participate here.
 
If that's the case you must own several of them. It's a toss up for who is the most ignorant, you or Nefrodite. I think we'll just declare a tie.



wow, what talent you have to type exactly 30 words and still have absolutely nothing of substance to say.🙂

i'd rather be ignorant then be in your denial.
 


<< wow, what talent you have to type exactly 30 words and still have absolutely nothing of substance to say. >>


It pales in comparison to your 4000 posts which have not had one single intelligent word in them. Very impressive.


<< i'd rather be ignorant then be in your denial. >>


Well I'm glad you admitted your ignorance. It's the first step. Now please tell me what exactly I am in denial over. Before you quit playing with yourself and start typing something else ignorant I suggest you go back and read what I have posted here. I am in denial over nothing.
 


It pales in comparison to your 4000 posts which have not had one single intelligent word in them. Very impressive.




i pointed to your 30 specific words, 30 words which were nothing but bitter personal attacks. and now you make a blatent generalizations too. how quaint.

Well I'm glad you admitted your ignorance. It's the first step. Now please tell me what exactly I am in denial over. Before you quit playing with yourself and start typing something else ignorant I suggest you go back and read what I have posted here. I am in denial over nothing.


yes, i'm ignorant of your ability to look at a symbol that has meant much, and currently has more tarnish then shine with rose colored sunglasses. your irrational attachment to a flag that flew 4 short years out of the 400 years that white people had lived in the south. i'm ignorant of your ability to be so selective of history, to not even wonder why a whole segment of your population is so against this symbol. Why those who don't grow up in the south see how the symbol is undeniably related to many evils.



<== Proud Son of Communist China.
 


<< yes, i'm ignorant of your ability to look at a symbol that has meant much, and currently has more tarnish then shine with rose colored sunglasses. your irrational attachment to a flag that flew 4 short years out of the 400 years that white people had lived in the south. i'm ignorant of your ability to be so selective of history, to not even wonder why a whole segment of your population is so against this symbol. Why those who don't grow up in the south see how the symbol is undeniably related to many evils. >>


Where in this thread have I said that I am in any way attached to or approve of the Confederate flag. Where in this thread have I said that certain things in history have not happened or that I don't understand what that flag means to some people. You are probably making assumptions based on where I live. Are you both ignorant and illiterate? You really don't have to answer that last question, the answer is obvious.
 
i'm making assumptions because in the last 20 posts you've only posted one... a personal attack.

as for the second bit, it was general and not directed at just you. this is a public thread. i'm sorry, but i havn't devoted much time to thinking about you at all.
 


<< maybe so, but you generally don't see people waving the flag at said oppressed people. or using it as a sign in your store or restaurant that certain people aren't welcome inside. or when a certain minority is put to death in prison.. its numerous uses during battles over segregation. history is not the flags friend. etc etc etc etc.
>>



SO if a bigot uses a symbol then anyone who uses that sysmbol must be a bigot?

Check the KKK rally pictures there are for more CROSSES being carried than ole dixies being waved.

I guess by your logic (or lack there of) all christians support the beliefs of the clan.

The fact is yes some do use the flag to pronounce their bigotry, however the same could be said for the cross, the stars and stripe and many other "SYMBOLS".

The fact is if you look at just about ANY SYMBOL you will find some group that has used it to promote hate.

I for one think we eliminate the letter X for the american alphabet because Malcom X was a racist.
 


<< All i am saying is that you guys need to take a step back and look at the picture as a whole:


Black people in the south dont fly the Confederate flag, why?

Black People in general dont vote for people like Alan Keyes, why?

Black people in the south dont appreciate it when other people fly the confederate flag, why?


If it is such a beningn symbol and has nothing to do with bigotry and hatred why would they be opposed to it? >>



HMMM.... well considering the black leadership (ala JESSE JACKSON) have been preaching that the flag is racist and the white man is the cause of all their problems that could be it.

Also this country has gone from free speech to free speech as long as no one is offended. People LOOK for places to be offended and they have found it. We have gone to great lenths to show people WHO is to blame for there problems. If you really want to find bigory and hatred you can find it anywhere you look.

I don;t see many whites wearing grambling shirts so it must be racist.

Come on just because a group doesn't support one cause doesn't make that cause automatically against that cause.

I don' have any crosses in my house am I anti christian?
I don't have any star of david plaques in my house am I anti- JEW?
I don't have a rainbow on my car does that make me anti gay?

Black pride is fine but as soon as white people want to feel good and remember who they are and what there forefathers stood for the get villified by ignorant fools like you. Grow up open the eyes and look outside, that's reailty, why don't you join us?
 

SO if a bigot uses a symbol then anyone who uses that sysmbol must be a bigot?


it depends upon how widespread/institutionalized the usage was, and how it was used. it wasn't just the kkk, many people were against civil rights for blacks. i point again to the flag being raised on the capitol only in 1962. its a symbol of a certain kind of image of the south to many. none of your examples have that sort of power, which is why they aren't issues at all.

HMMM.... well considering the black leadership (ala JESSE JACKSON) have been preaching that the flag is racist and the white man is the cause of all their problems that could be it.


i'm sure your generalizing. although he does point to the past, i'm sure he's for personal responsibility too. he maybe nuts, but not as nuts as you'd make him to be.


Also this country has gone from free speech to free speech as long as no one is offended. People LOOK for places to be offended and they have found it. We have gone to great lenths to show people WHO is to blame for there problems. If you really want to find bigory and hatred you can find it anywhere you look.


sure there maybe cases where people are oversensitive, but this is a case where there is a long history of reasons why they are justified in their stance.
 
Sudheer, you say the deep south. OK take Southern Alabama for instance. The Southern half of Alabama is heavily democrat and 60-70% black. Thank you for your ignorance, come back when you have more.
 
it is retarded to display that antiquated symbol of the civil war. All it says is that they recognize a government that was held in violation of the constitution, and thus, was not recognized by the UNION and was stamped out, basically anyone that displays that recognizes a nation that never was, as a nation, which is utterly ridiculous, they should learn their history before displaying symbols of which they do not completely know the meaning.
 


<< it depends upon how widespread/institutionalized the usage was, and how it was used. it wasn't just the kkk, many people were against civil rights for blacks. i point again to the flag being raised on the capitol only in 1962. its a symbol of a certain kind of image of the south to many. none of your examples have that sort of power, which is why they aren't issues at all.
 >>



Many in the North were against the civil rights of blacks as well. Not all Southeners were on the Supreme Court when they decided on Plessey vs. Ferguson. Just because some Southerners who were against it used it for the purpose of degrading blacks doesn't mean that the symbol itself is unworthy. Many people pervert the teachings and usage of the symbol of the Christian faith, and yet it does not have that stigma attached to it.


~Eddie
 
In modern times it means slavery and jim-crow laws. In civil war times it meant slavery and states rights and protection of a way of life.
 
the confederate flag means:


A defeated attempt at a nation. Everytime i look at it i thank god that the union won the civil war.


Its a symbol of DEFEAT.
 
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