What does the confederate flag mean in modern times?

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Red Dawn

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<< No respectable Southerner would even get within 2 states of California, except for maybe scientific observation. >>

The trick is finding a respectable Southerner.

Edit.. Hey I couldn't help it, the dude set himself up!!:)
 

Polgara

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The trick is finding a respectable Southerner.

Red,
You've got a quick wit. I like that.

Reminds me that Alabama is trying to ban human cloning. The joke is to ask why, who would want to clone someone from Alabama?

Sarah <-- Southernors do love to laugh at ourselves
 

Hubris

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<< That being said, I'm glad I can't be bought and sold.

Hubris,
I'm glad too. But I would buy you if I could. It's hard to understand how a symbol that swells my heart with pride can cause someone else pain. Thank you for being so.....wonderful :)

Sarah


PS: Think I could rent you for a while? I've always wondered something.......
>>



Hmm....do I even want to know what you've always wondered? :D

Heh. Some of the BEST expressions I've ever heard cam from Chad. Wouldn't you know I'm blanking on them now, but they were awesome.

~Eddie
 

Kilgor

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<< The trick is finding a respectable Southerner. >>



While I don?t quite qualify I?m sure you?ll have an easier time finding one than a Californian not on Prozac. ;)



<< << Some redneck at my school had a flag hung from the backseat of his old camaro and his back window was smashed in for it. >> >>



Sounds like the act of cowards and idiots, if the people didn?t like his flag why didn?t they say it to his face instead of destroying his property?
 

Mill

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You know what? Fck you people who come in this thread and tell me how everyone in alabama is racist and flys the confederate flag to degrade blacks. Goddamn do you liberals every get tired of trying to put down the good 'ole South? Like I said before, white people tend to make a bigger deal out of this than black people. Look at what Hubris said. Do you see what I am trying to say?

Sudheer please actually get a education before you spout off about a place you know nothing about. I am sick and tired of people with no clue trying to justify reverse descrimination. It gets old really quick. If you don't like me because I am a white southerner, then tell it to my face. Don't cloak it under some kind of reverse descrimination.

BTW, I have never owned a confederate flag nor flown one. I only can SEE that people have rights to. I also see that the majority of those people ARE NOT racist.
 

Red Dawn

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<< While I don?t quite qualify I?m sure you?ll have an easier time finding one than a Californian not on Prozac. >>

Southern Prozac=a Jar full of Moonshine. I think Millenium could use some Southern Prozac about right now:)
 

deftron

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Millenium, I agree with what you said (Just read my posts in this thread)
I am very liberal and have no idea why others feel the need to
use the South as a scapegoat for bigotry.

 

Cyberian

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<< What does the confederate flag mean in modern times? >>


Is it not somewhat amusing that some who automatically ascribe the terms "bigot, racist, redneck" to all who fly the Confederate flag are proclaiming their own bigotry as they do so ?
 

Red Dawn

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Yep it's almost as ignorant as the crap spewed by the Californian Haters. Of course what they really are doing isannouncing to the membership here that they are incredibly ignorant and an embarrassment to all of humanity.
 

Kilgor

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<< I am very liberal and have no idea why others feel the need to use the South as a scapegoat for bigotry. >>



Because they?re jealous of our good looks good food and good whisky. :D
 

ScottyB

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Hey, not all liberals thing badly of the south and confederate flag. Well in my case it my just be that my family on my mothers side comes from the south and I am really close to them.
 

Oh my! Red Dawn! Quite often, you make very saucy and funny comments. Hilarious! ;) Good ones here! :D

"While I don?t quite qualify I?m sure you?ll have an easier time finding one than a Californian not on Prozac."

Here's a Californian who's not on one and was not at any point! ;) Don't be dissing my state! :| Hehehe! :D

Well, on a serious note: From a historical point of view, I see nothing wrong with people generally flying the flag. Of course I know and am sure there are some who fly it with complete honour to the principles held by the South then--with immense endorsement of slavery. However, as stated by Hubris, every state and people have some dark past. There's more to the history of the South than its endorsement and practice of slavery. Besides, the North wasn't soooo clean. The North was allowed to practice enslavement if they possessed slaves at the time of the war. I guess the emancipation of slaves was to punish the Southern states that were not willing to relinquish their fights and stick with the Union. If you read history, you'll note that the Southern states that elected to stay with the Union was not affected with the declaration. Read the Emancipation Proclamation yourselves. It is true that slavery was not a vital means of revenue for the North, so it was not an issue for the North (i.e., slavery was not as prevalent as it was South) as it was for the South that depended on it.

From a strategic point of view, the Emancipation Proclamation worked to the advantage of the Union 'cuz it attracted support from some European nations (Britain and France in particular) that were against slavery. It was not the first day Lincoln made this declaration. It was way later in the war and when he did, he was not expecting to have to live up to it. In fact, many slaves wondered if they could trust the words of Lincoln as they gathered to hear the news. It took a while, years, years before they finally were emancipated, and gradually at some states of the Union.

So, in essence, I support free speech and think people should have the absolute liberty to fly the flags, of any kind in fact. On the other hand, I won't on a personal level necessarily really befriend a Southerner (just acquintanceship). I don't think we have much in common, anyway . . . Cali. vs. the South . . . huge difference.
 

Kilgor

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<< Yep it's almost as ignorant as the crap spewed by the Californian Haters. Of course what they really are doing isannouncing to the membership here that they are incredibly ignorant and an embarrassment to all of humanity >>



I don?t hate California, Californians are still Americans in their own odd way.;) I?m sure I could find someplace I?d like to live in California. They make good wine and lot?s of good looking women plus they have cool car chases on the news all the time. I would visit if it weren?t going to fall into the ocean. :D
 

Ameesh

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<< That is so stupid. Obviously, you have never lived in a Southern state. It does not mean racist here. Some hate groups have used the image to promote their propaganda, but that also holds true for the American Flag (skinheads) and the Christian cross (KKK). The southern people realize what a travesty slavery was. It was an unfortunate part of our history but a way of life back then. Most of our county's founding fathers, including Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. The North also used the slavery issue for selfish reasons..The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate States (not the slaves in the Union) after it seemed like the Union might lose the war in order to gain support from blacks. Not untill after the Civil War, the 13th Amendment of 1865 officially abolished slavery in all remaining states >>




I grew up in central florida and spent a lot of time with my uncles and aunts who live in North and South Carolina. My family and i have experienced you're Southern Hospitality as you like to call it.

When i was young my parents were being robbed by some good old boys right in front of us, they stole a bed, a television and some clothes right in front us. So while they were robbing us my dad called the local police, you know what they said? Sorry the sherrif was on his way to go fishing. So the two guys in a pickup and a guy in a car that looked like the general lee drove off with our stuff.

I'm sure the Sherrif and those redneck thieves loved the confederate flag just like some of you.
 

AZGamer

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You know what? I was wronged several times by people calling themselves "Americans", and they supported a flag with fifty stars and bars. I think any flag such as this should be banned, since it is supported by hooligans.

Right Ameesh?
 

Mill

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And you Ameesh are a bigot. If you think for one minute anyone believes that your dad called 911 and the cops told him that the sheriff was going fishing, then you are insane. You still have yet to argue any points by anyone made here. You randomly pop your head in here to show how much of a closet bigot you are, then back on out. It is funny that you justify your bigotry by saying you were descriminated against. Great logic there my friend.

So are you going to debate in this thread or throw around silly stories from when you were young?
 

Kilgor

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When i was young my parents were being robbed by some good old boys right in front of us, they stole a bed, a television and some clothes right in front us. So while they were robbing us my dad called the local police, you know what they said? Sorry the sherrif was on his way to go fishing. So the two guys in a pickup and a guy in a car that looked like the general lee drove off with our stuff.

So you?re saying if some guys wearing Pokemon shirts rob me and drive away in a Civic and a Sentra I should hate all Pokemon fans?
rolleye.gif
 

Polgara

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I grew up in central florida and spent a lot of time with my uncles and aunts who live in North and South Carolina. My family and i have experienced you're Southern Hospitality as you like to call it. When i was young my parents were being robbed by some good old boys right in front of us, they stole a bed, a television and some clothes right in front us. So while they were robbing us my dad called the local police, you know what they said? Sorry the sherrif was on his way to go fishing. So the two guys in a pickup and a guy in a car that looked like the general lee drove off with our stuff. I'm sure the Sherrif and those redneck thieves loved the confederate flag just like some of you.

Ameesh,
Your story sounds contrived, except if you were making it up I don't think you would have the thieves stealing a bed and clothes. If my Daddy could get to the phone, he would have grabbed the ol' 12 ga. and ended the robbery. Daddy always said the 12 ga. was good medicine for varmints, whether they slither or walk on two legs.

That's the real problem with the story, nobody steals stuff in broad daylight right in front of the owners. At least not twice.

Did you have the stuff near the street? A redneck can't pass a trash pile. Daddy always brought more stuff back from the dump than he took.

Sarah
 

Mill

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Ameesh won't reply except to say that "asians are smarter" so he has no reason to talk to us inferior whites.
 

Ameesh

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the point of my last post was to educate the guy who thought i have no first hand experience with the southern states nothing more.
 

Mill

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You don't have any experience with them. First off you said you were a young kid at the time. Two your story is very tough to believe.
 

Millenium, why the hostility and aggression?

You know, when one acts hostile/so aggressive, the focus becomes that person's soundness instead of the real discussion.

I would like to see you post a well-constructed reasoning. So far you have accused others of failing to do that, yet you in the process have resorted to attacking them and acting very angry without stating your reasoning.

What's with the hostility/anger, really? Do you really prefer your point be ignored 'cuz your emotion has taken over the discussion? :confused: :frown:
 

Ameesh

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<< I grew up in central florida and spent a lot of time with my uncles and aunts who live in North and South Carolina. My family and i have experienced you're Southern Hospitality as you like to call it. When i was young my parents were being robbed by some good old boys right in front of us, they stole a bed, a television and some clothes right in front us. So while they were robbing us my dad called the local police, you know what they said? Sorry the sherrif was on his way to go fishing. So the two guys in a pickup and a guy in a car that looked like the general lee drove off with our stuff. I'm sure the Sherrif and those redneck thieves loved the confederate flag just like some of you.

Ameesh,
Your story sounds contrived, except if you were making it up I don't think you would have the thieves stealing a bed and clothes. If my Daddy could get to the phone, he would have grabbed the ol' 12 ga. and ended the robbery. Daddy always said the 12 ga. was good medicine for varmints, whether they slither or walk on two legs.

That's the real problem with the story, nobody steals stuff in broad daylight right in front of the owners. At least not twice.

Did you have the stuff near the street? A redneck can't pass a trash pile. Daddy always brought more stuff back from the dump than he took.

Sarah
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If you've been to Central Florida you would know that there is no need to make up stories like that, The town in specific was Dundee , it has now grown to a bustling population of 2600 but back then it wasnt such a cosmopolitan city.

Also we've (my family) have never owned any guns, never saw any need for them, my parents probably believed that protecting our homes and community was the police's job. In hind site maybe it would have been a good deterant but soon after that we moved out of the state.