IMO its frankly because although they may not agree with his methods, they do appreciate his standing up to the west and share his points of anger at the US/Israel/West/Despotic ME govts
IMO its frankly because although they may not agree with his methods, they do appreciate his standing up to the west and share his points of anger at the US/Israel/West/Despotic ME govts
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What connects the religious shrines of Mecca and Medina, full of praying Muslims, to psychotic al-Qaeda operatives who kill innocent people? How is that symmetry? Wouldn't mowing down all Taliban/al-Qaeda followers in Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan be more symmetrical than declaring war on 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide?
0roo0roo
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all that typing and its all for nothing. you can't even get this right. no, the suicide bombers are not poor. they aren't people who are gonna die anyways. look at the london bus/subway bombers, married, with kids, jobs etc, yet still sacrificed themselves. why? they didn't see it as a sacrifice, it was a good thing to die for god. to go straight to paradise and be rewarded for their loyalty for their martyrdom instead of having to wait for the day of judgement like everyone else. as the ayatollah of iran has said, this existence is merely scum. it is unimportant. so such acts are easily justified. were the 9/11 suicide attackers going to die anyways? bullsh*t, they were college educated middle class folks, many living/being schooled in the west, they weren't under occupation or any such nonsense. and it is such the same for many suicide bombers. its amazing you can't get such a fundamental thing correct. the excuse of victim hood is getting old. apologists like to trot it out a lot before 9/11 when they could more easily ignore the evidence against such claims, but after? pretty weak sauce to try to claim such nonsense. all studies on suicide terrorism are against your conclusions. there are plenty of poor oppressed people in the world that do not commit such acts after all.
and no, striking civilians and suicide terrorism isn't completely against the teachings of islam, its rather ambiguous. why do you think its so popular and easily justified after all.
http://www.wpr.org/book/060903b.html
from npr streaming audio link inside
A GENERATION OF MARTYRS
Program 06-09-03-B Listen!
To the Best of Our Knowledge
WEB AUDIO EXCLUSIVE
Steve Paulson with Karen Armstrong on Science and Religion
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A GENERATION OF MARTYRS
Program 06-09-03-B Listen!
What do you call young people who strap on explosive vests and detonate them in a crowded marketplace? President Bush says they're fascist terrorists. The Western press labels them suicide bombers. But to a Muslim, particularly one who's sympathetic to their political ideology, these people are martyrs, and what they're doing makes perfect sense. In this hour To the Best of Our Knowledge takes a look at suicide bombers - why there are so many in this generation, how their families feel, and what, if anything we can do about them.
SEGMENT 1:
Robert Baer, CIA agent turned novelist is now a film-maker. His documentary is called "The Cult of the Suicide Bomber" and it's scarier than anything Hollywood is producing. Baer tells Steve Paulson about the first modern suicide bomber and how they've become heroes in Iran. He says martyrdom by suicide bombing is a political weapon not a religious act; that it's a virus and it's spreading. And we hear clips from his film. Also, novelist Louis de Bernieres tells Jim Fleming about the climate of religious toleration that marked the Ottoman Empire. De Bernieres' latest novel is "Birds without Wings."
Metron
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You miss my point entirely... that whistling sound was it passing right by your head.
TheProdigalRebel (and you) can't compare Hitler as a representative icon for Christianity with OBL as a representative icon for Islam, because Hitler is universally regarded as a madman while OBL is revered as warrior.
Muslims have a 20 year plan to spread Islam across the globe... they don't mind at all if OBL helps that process along the way. Hitler had similar plans of world domination...
0roo0roo
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not to mention so very many muslims hold views that are in total agreement with hitlers. not that hitler was ever christian by his own account anyways. no way comparable to binladin or such in the slightest. he didn't commit his crimes as the true leader and holder of christian virtues/defending christianity/martyredom for christianity for instance. so to bring up hitler is really just rather weak. only links it brings up is the current muslim desease of antisemitism and nazi like beliefs. and the fact that much of this "anger" is illegitimate. it is like the anger of white trailer trash white supremacists who believe they are entitled to rule because of their inherent supremacy, and are angry at the reality that they do not match their beliefs, and excuse it with conspiracies about forces like the jews keeping them down. its illegitimate anger and should be stated as such much more. and its much the same with islam, which of course is a supremacist ideology. but all you hear these days is cr@p about their anger. f*ck their anger.
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Do you see a scenario, in the near term, where Islam and the West coexist peacefully?
Take a quote like this, from theprodigalrebel:
Do you think it really stands true in the Muslim world? I think not. I think their values are vastly different from ours. If Iraqis wanted all that, they should have accepted US soldiers with candys. After all, it's not every day that a superpower comes and frees you from the insanity of Saddam Hussein. But they chose to wage war instead.
Muslims put Allah in front of these things. Christians had to ditch a considerable part of their Christianity to have the Western way of living, and Jews as well. For the record, as a Jew, I wouldn't want to live under neither Islami religious rules or Jewish religious rules.
The problem doesn't end in Afghanistan. This is just a preview to how ugly Islam can get when left unchecked. That's exactly where Muslim countries are headed to.
The problem still remains in Iran, and in Saudi Arabia, and in Egypt, and in Lebanon, and so on. And what about the bombings in Europe? Do you think that at this point, the European Muslims won't be committing terror even if there was no Al Qaeda? Capturing OBL will only fuel the fire, which IMHO, has to burn.
You shouldn't be fighting the mosquitos, when you can just dry up the swamp instead.
As I said, this is another holy war, another crusade. But this time it's not Christianity that's the issue, but the free Western way of life. It's a crusade for our freedom.
I don't believe you can impose democracy on Arab countries like Iraq, it has to come from within them. But you can and should fight Islam as a religion.
Who said that the existance of Islam as a religion is any more important than our lives? If it's my life and my freedom compared to the wellbeing of Islam, I choose the former, thank you very much. Why isn't the Nazi ideology allowed to exist, but Islam is?
This is a re-run of the very same war.
Only then, when they'll understand the West will go on an all out war against them, they might show some restraint.
WW3 War games:
US attacks Iran
Iran attacks Israel
Israel attacks Iran and Syria
Syria and other middle east axis attacks Israel
US attacks whoever attacks Israel
Pakistan president overthrown
Pakistan attacks India
India attacks Pakistan
US allies with India
Islamic nations ally with Pakistan
Afghanistan is nuked
North Korea attacks South Korea
Japan and US attacks North Korea
China attacks Taiwan
If US attacks China, world ends
If US abstains, one China
US attacks Iran
Iran attacks Israel
Israel attacks Iran and Syria
Syria and other middle east axis attacks Israel
US attacks whoever attacks Israel
Pakistan president overthrown
Pakistan attacks India
India attacks Pakistan
US allies with India
Islamic nations ally with Pakistan
Afghanistan is nuked
North Korea attacks South Korea
Japan and US attacks North Korea
China attacks Taiwan
If US attacks China, world ends
If US abstains, one China
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Samur, thank God (which ever one you pray to) that you're nowhere near a position of power. We don't need whackos like you starting WWIII and ending humanity.
Iraqis didn't accept our soldiers with roses and candy because: we shock and awed their neighborhoods, we kidnapped their family members in the middle of the night, we've reduced their eletrical capacity so they have a few hours of electricity per day, we've made gas more expensive domestically, we've made their country less inhabitable than during Saddam's era.
That's exactly what they wanted, and so far all those things are harder to acquire after we've "freed" them than before. Years after "mission accomplished", the everyday Iraqi citizen is getting rhetoric while billions are being squandered through cooperative American/Iraqi corruption. Iraq is a boondoggle...we know it, the world knows it, the Iraqis know it...and yet you're trying to justify the fact that they didn't accept our invasive presence with open arms as an argument for WWWIII?
Nice try looney toons.
Iraqis didn't accept our soldiers with roses and candy because: we shock and awed their neighborhoods, we kidnapped their family members in the middle of the night, we've reduced their eletrical capacity so they have a few hours of electricity per day, we've made gas more expensive domestically, we've made their country less inhabitable than during Saddam's era.
That's exactly what they wanted, and so far all those things are harder to acquire after we've "freed" them than before. Years after "mission accomplished", the everyday Iraqi citizen is getting rhetoric while billions are being squandered through cooperative American/Iraqi corruption. Iraq is a boondoggle...we know it, the world knows it, the Iraqis know it...and yet you're trying to justify the fact that they didn't accept our invasive presence with open arms as an argument for WWWIII?
Nice try looney toons.
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#1 I don't believe Al Qaeda has the means or the resources to pull it off, or they already would have
In the unlikely event that it did happen, I believe the world would be shocked by the ruthlessness and brutality of our response. There would be no little war games like we have going in Afganistan or Iraq. We would pull our troops from the middle east, quietly tell Isreal to evacuate, then level the place
In the unlikely event that it did happen, I believe the world would be shocked by the ruthlessness and brutality of our response. There would be no little war games like we have going in Afganistan or Iraq. We would pull our troops from the middle east, quietly tell Isreal to evacuate, then level the place
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